What country represents best bet for life after emigrating from the US?

[HereSince1628]

It's time to start looking...

[JohnKleeb]

1. dunno but by chance does your sn mean what I think it does

and I think you have told us before your family has been hear since 1628. Ive been here family wise at the earliest 1858 not sure but I am a n00b in comparsion to you in the US :). As for countries I dunno I dont know where I would go,

[HereSince1628]

4. 375 years in one country is a good run for any family.

My wanting to leave isn't because its the worst administration in the US since the Dutch left (though it is).

I just don't have the capital to stay.

[Eat_The_Rich]

2. Try

Iceland or New Zeland.

[HereSince1628]

7. Iceland is not looking so good...I'm still needing work.

I'd be gone to NZ in a flash if I had a line on a job.

[Pocho]

3. SMARTEST MOVE WE EVER MADE - 16 YEARS AGO

[CanuckAmok]

5. Is that Twiggy on the left side of the frame? Or Kate Moss? n/t

[Pocho]

21. THINK IT'S A GUY I KILLED. KEEPS SHOWING UP IN MY PHOTOS

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[HereSince1628]

22. What about the gal that is floating to the right of the equines?

She is looking more ghostly than "Bones"

Any chance for an academic to escape to employment in Vera Cruz?

[radwriter0555]

26. VIVA LA MEXICO!

I am headed YOUR way... Paradise on earth, my mexico....

[CanuckAmok]

6. C'mon, that means one less DUer to vote * out of office in '04!

We unable-to-vote-in-the-US folks need you to stay and fight, if not for yourself, for us!

[JohnKleeb]

8. I cant even vote (too young) in the next election

[HereSince1628]

9. Don't worry in a couple of years everyone on planet USA will be voting

I'd consider Canada, it'd be a short move but I'm too American and too old to get a job there...

[Pocho]

23. DEMOCRATS ABROAD

has chapters in 35 nations. (It takes 50 members to organize a chapter.) They have full voting representation on the Democratic National Committee, where they are recognized the same as a state, and send an eight member full voting delegation to the democratic national convention. Further information is available on this link.

US citizens out of the country neither lose their voting rights nor tax paying responsibilities. The US State Department estimates there are 7.1 million US expatriates living elsewhere. The difference is that they live under the laws of the country in which they reside. (no Ashcraft) The US consulate here in central Mexico figures there are about 50,000 such US expatriates in the Guadalajara area alone.

Through developments in commerce, communication, and transportation, the world is changing, making borders less meaningful. A negative of that is what occupies us here regarding the US imperialistic invasion of Iraq and where else it may be lead. A positive however is that I am able to learn what life is like in a free country and also be able to continue to agitate, antagonize, educate, and organize there from here.

[wickerwoman]

25. Absentee ballots.

Moving to another country doesn't mean giving up your citizenship. You can still contribute to campaigns and vote.

[Sapphocrat]

10. This may help:

http://www.escapeartist.com/

Very enlightening and informative.

[HereSince1628]

11. Interesting, yes, thanks... n/t

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[Razorback1]

12. Hmmm...

thinking about naked tahitian women

[The Zanti Regent]

13. I'm really considering Canada

But I do not know if they will let millions of refugees in before the Nazis take total control

[Maple]

14. Canada

Canada accepts more legal immigrants relative to its population than any country on Earth.

In the past two years, almost half a million immigrants arrived, a shade less than half of them in one city alone -- Toronto. The largest numbers for the country as a whole, amounting to almost 40 per cent of the total, came from China, India, Pakistan and the Philippines.

The federal government, responsible for immigration targets, heralds these waves on humanitarian and economic grounds, the argument being that immigration shows Canada as a caring country whose new arrivals will fuel future economic growth.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html

[CanuckAmok]

15. "Why leave America for America Junior?"--Homer Simpson

If Bush gets in again in '04, we're fleeing--Canada is too geographically close to the US, and if PNAC continues into 2008, you can be sure Canada will be occupied by US forces. "For our own protection", of course.

If it comes to that in '04, we're moving to New Zealand, seriously.

[Maple]

16. Homer Simpson is Canadian actually

And the US has already invaded Canada 5 times.

With no success as you can see.

Edit:sp.

[WindRavenX]

17. If it's one thing History in HS taught me...

...it's that the US has been (and still is) obsessed with invaiding Canada. And they fail every time :D

[TreasonousBastard]

18. Well, if you still have to work...

that limits the possibilities.

Had I the means-- Canada, Scotland, Ireland, France, northern Italy, and the Czech Republic have all appealed to me for various reasons. I hear Romania is moving up rapidly, and parts are stunningly beautiful.

Making a decent living in any of them could prove problematic, though.

Here's an interesting thought... the island of St-Pierre et Miquelon lies a couple of miles off of Newfoundland, and it is French.

Not Quebec French-Canuckian, but actually a Department of France, and has nothing whatsoever to do with Canada. You need a passport to get there. Canuckians of my acquaintance speak highly of the place.

Here's the map:


Dunno what that all actually means, but it does conjure up the thought of moving to France without actually moving to France.


On the other hand, there is handy solution on the horizon:

www.standonguard.com

[mitchtv]

19. suprised mo one has mentioned Costa Rica

they want a hefty admission charge,but its worth it if you have an income.work is difficult,but if you start a busiiness they want you. Perm residents have the same rights as citizens sans voting.

[Kellanved]

20. Check Expatica

www.expatica.com - it shows headlines procedures and jobs for several central European countries.

[wickerwoman]

24. It depends on what you want to gain versus what you're willing to give up.

I'm moving to Beijing next week, which isn't exactly a step forward in terms of personal liberties, but they did offer the best salary-cost of living ratio in my particular field. I'm working there for 2 or 3 year until I get my student loans paid off and then I'm moving to Poland or Russia.
I've lived in Ireland, Germany, Peru and the Czech Republic (defining live as having my own apartment for at least 2 months)and would move to any of them in a heartbeat again. On the other hand, I have a fairly high tolerance for inconveniences which most Americans take for granted. I don't use ice cubes, feel the need for three hot showers a day, mind walking or taking public transportation instead of owning a car, or get annoyed by other peoples' customs and diets.
I'm happy to give up potable tap water for greater liberty and the added bonus of not having to pay taxes on my first 60,000 dollars of income which means I won't be funding the war machine.
So you really need to define what the "best life" for you is before you can find a country.
I loved Prague- a beautiful city with great public transportation and tons of jobs in my area with a balance of Western comforts- movies in English and grocery stores open on Sundays. On the other hand, I didn't have a lot of disposable income to spend on clothes and vacations- but the culture was so much less materialistic you didn't care what you wore or bought- you didn't have ads in your face all the time- and every morning commute was like a vacation because the city was so gorgeous. I hope I can find something similar in Krakow with fewer tourists.
That's the best bet for me but not necessarily for anyone else.
Good luck (and use escapeartist.com -they're great.)

[HereSince1628]

27. I've spent summers above the Arctic Circle in Russia

where having hot water was something that occurred once a week and baths were something of a community event. Conveniences is not a big deal for me, but having work and staving off starvation would be good things...