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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:17 PM
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Poll question: Do you think the FBI has a file on you?
My best friend's daughter is all freaked after seeing F 9/11 because of the how Peace Fresno was spied on.

We bought got a laugh because she was a big anti-war protester during Vietnam and I been in active in a lot of gay rights groups. Anita and I figure we both have a file on us.

How about yous kids??
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:19 PM
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1. I know it does.
Mom had me fingerprinted when I was a kid incase I was abducted. I've no idea what's been added since, though.
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:07 AM
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35. me too. I'm also in file with State Po Po. n/t
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:20 PM
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2. I was interviewed by the FBI
My boss at the time was in some serious trouble. . .so they looked to me to give them some evidence.

It was weird. They weren't as good looking as on TV, but were nicer and more mellow. They picked some BS thing that I had done at work to try to tell me I was in hot water.

I didn't (couldn't help them) and my boss had done enough that my help wasn't needed anyway.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:23 PM
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3. They have since 1969
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:23 PM
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4. I know they do too.
I was in the Army.
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:23 PM
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5. Lessee --
I got fingerprinted to get my (long-expired) teaching license.
I was a member of pro-marijuana groups, in college.
I wrote a letter taking such a position to President Clinton's cat. (Yes, you heard me.) I didn't sign it...but...
My signature is on a parade permit for when a group picketed in front of then-Rep. Mark Neumann's Janesville, WI office.
I wrote a letter to President Reagan thanking him for his drug war (because that's what we did in fourth grade).
I keep a blog that I know has been visited by .gov computers.
I'm married to a former candidate for federal office.

Yeah, I think I have a file.

You know -- you can request your file under the Freedom of Information Act.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:30 PM
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12. I'd love to see my file.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:25 PM
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6. My elderly, Christian mother always believed they had a file on her...
...thanks to her work for civil rights in the late 60s and early 70s.

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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:25 PM
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7. I'm about 90% sure they do.
I'm a member of MoveOn.org, I've attended a couple peace rallies and I'm soon becoming a member of College Democrats of North Dakota.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:26 PM
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8. i got a fiLe on ronnie
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:30 PM
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11. mmmmmmm
How often to you "refer" to it?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:35 PM
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14. bout once a day
twice if i have the energy. :P
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:27 PM
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9. ya-
i`m sure they do about two or three things..1968-1969
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:29 PM
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10. I certainly have one
The local FBI field office sent two agents out to investigate a monthly comedy "magazine" I ran while I was in college. They actually spoke to the Dean and to the members of the student government.

I had written a satiric article about President Carter's "mock draft call-up" -- and it seems that a local Reagan Revolutionary took it seriously and called the FBI.

I'm not too concerned. It seems that by the time the G-men left, they were on good terms with everybody and had a good laugh over it.

--bkl
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shaolinmonkey Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:31 PM
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13. I have a degree in nuclear engineering and once ordered
a copy of the Anarchist Cookbook while in high school. I'd say I'm on a list somewhere.
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Magrittes Pipe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:39 PM
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15. I am a former candidate for federal office.
I am also a general hellraiser.

Yes.
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:39 PM
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16. Was fingerprinted for a RE license in the 80s
We were told the fingerprints were sent to the FBI. God only knows what else they've got in their file. There have been incriminating pictures of me on the net in the past! OK, maybe not incriminating--just embarassing! Actually, there still are!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:33 AM
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45. That happened to me in 1980 as well, fingerprint ID using child abduction
prevention as the cause.

I didn't realize it at the time, but it didn't feel 'right'. (I also had the heebie jeebies about Reagan - pretty cool for an 8 year old at the time...)

Fingerprints, grade school records, work records, monitoring me on DU :hi: (the only objectionable things I ever say around here are the threads that are misinterpreted as being 'sex threads'...), they can write a book off of me and sell it for a huge profit for all I care.

I could write one myself as well...
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:40 PM
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17. I'm an air traffic controller. The FBI definitely has a file on me.
...that secret security clearance they gave me and all...
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:52 PM
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18. Yes
I've worked for the Federal Government for most of the past 20 years as a Fed or contractor. I've been fingerprinted at least 5 times.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 01:55 PM
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19. yes absolutely
know it for an absolute fact.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:16 PM
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20. Yes, and I don't even live in the US
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:18 PM
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21. I know for a fact that I do.
In 1971 I was living in Washington DC. Will was a baby. I was working and he was in daycare. His father was working for the democratic national committee...at Watergate.

I went to the dentist one day and on my way back to work I was stopped at a light right near the Washinbgton Monumant. The light turned green and I started into the intersection. A woman coming from my left didn't see her red light and broadsided me. The impact pushed my car into the car the was parallel to me. That car (I found out later) contained FBI agents.

A few days later, the manager of the apartment complex we lived in asked me why there were FBI agents around asking questions about me. A day or so after that, I got a telephone call from the FBI Agent investigating the accident...his only line of questioning was why I had my small baby in daycare. Not long after that we found out that Will's dad was on the Watergate tapes. Yup, I've got a file, I'm sure and I'm sure Will has one and his father too. Nice country.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:19 PM
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22. Mi5 had files on my parents. They demonstrated. A lot.
Mostly anti-nuke stuff, a little anti-govt stuff.
I'll try and follow their example.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:22 PM
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24. As a recently-elected Riding President for a left-wing party
I imagine CSIS is working on my file right now.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:19 PM
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23. God, I hope so...
...I'd hate to think all this rabble-rousing has been for naught.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 06:15 PM
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56. LOL! ditto!:-)
:hi:
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:25 PM
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25. I am in the company of radicals
I don't think I have a file on me...but then again who knows. I think the FBI starts tracking any DUer once he/she gets the 1000+ next to his/her name.

I feel strangely inadequate...I really need to get cracking on this. Im still pretty young, there is hope for me yet :P
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:28 PM
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26. My mail frequently disappears, when I talk to certain people our phones
both change (complete with clicks and sounds) and someone is frequently trying to get into my computer.

When one friend and I talk we always mention the clicks on the phone and more than once she has mentioned that within a few minutes her computer is being scanned.

If there is anything to it at least we've let them know that we've noticed it.
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sus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:29 PM
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27. i hope so..
they have one on my dad.
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mrboba1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:32 PM
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Can you find out for sure?
Edited on Fri Jul-16-04 02:33 PM by mrboba1
Would they tell you?

on edit: never mind - I see eyesroll answered that earlier.
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:40 PM
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29. I should clarify --
You can make a FOIA request for your FBI file. The FBI won't necessarily give you the parts that are essential to national security or part of an open criminal investigation; they might also get out the black marker for certain names, dates, etc. If they questioned you because your neighbor needed a security clearance, they'd probably release that type of information.

I think you can find out for sure if you do have a file, but not necessarily what's in it.
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mrboba1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:46 PM
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31. Yeah- I figured that.
I was just curious if you could find out if there was a file.

Of course, by requesting one via FOIA, if you didn't have one, that might trigger one into existence! :)
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:32 PM
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28. Well, mine started in 1970
when I joined the Peace Corps, since you need a low-level security clearance for that - secret service actually does those.

Since then I:
am a Quaker
a member of Nebraskans for Peace
a member of Nebraskans against the death penalty
a campaigner for a Green candidate for (local) office
part of several anti-bush war protests,
AND
a proud member of democratic underground!
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:41 PM
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30. Highly doubtful.........
A friend of mine with the FBI told me once about this guy they picked up in NYC and he said all you had to do was stand there with a notepad and write down what the guy was saying. He laughed and said that the guy thought that if the FBI picked him up then they must have been watching him for months and knew about everything he did. Which, of course, they didn't know. LOL
Seriously I don't think they have a lot of time to maintain files on people who frequent this site. I am sure they monitor the site and may occasionally flag certain people who post because of what they posted but in general I don't think it is a real issue for them. IMHO

Uh, somebodies at the door, gotta go. Wonder who that could be?
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:48 PM
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32. more than a file
I believe I'm actually considered a terrorist!

Back in the late 80's early 90's I worked for Greenpeace
Our phones were tapped during the first Gulf War in San Francisco.
During a campaign in the Florida Keys we were followed by the Secret Service when Bush Sr was there.
Most of all during the infamous Trident Missile campaign when the MV Greenpeace vessel was attacked and rammed by the USS Kitty hawk.
A helicopter followed us around just before that incident and the FBI would call merchants we visited shortly after we left.
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:53 PM
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33. Yes They Do

Hi,

Yes, they do have a file on my whole family.

We've been visited by the Secret Service and the FBI, our phone has been tapped....which I used to laugh about, because the primary user was my 11 year old daughter and her friends. Bet the people listening found more than they ever wanted to know about the Back Street Boys.

Cheers,
Kim :toast:
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 03:18 PM
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34. I've never been fingerprinted, which gives me a bit of a sense of freedom
I wonder how long I can continue to keep it that way? I doubt that they have a file on me, and even if they had anything on me, they'd have no prints to go with it.
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:14 AM
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36. They've had a file on me since I was in the 5th grade
I had a list of names of British Secret Service agents. There's no reason to doubt that they had a file.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:16 AM
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37. Absolutely
...I attended a small international school featuring (among others) Soviets, Pakistanis, and Palestinians, funded by Armand Hammer. :eyes:

And that was back then...! :D
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:29 AM
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41. I met Armand Hammer way back then
A relative of mine convinced Mr. Hammer to donate money to a charitable cause. I was an adolescent along for the ride. He seemed like a nice guy.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:42 AM
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42. He was good at charity, that's for sure
...although being obscenely wealthy helps with that. ;)
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floridaguy Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:23 AM
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38. Oh, Hell Yes!
I expect they have someone assigned to monitoring this sight.
Wasn't it reported that the 911 terrorists used the internet to communicate? Ergo, the internet is open terrority under the Patriot Act.

Psst . . right guys?

"Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching you"
Unknown

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:26 AM
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39. Absolutely certain
I am a former bank employee, and have had a government security clearance. The FBI has collected two full sets of my fingerprints. The originals have to be filed somewhere, so I'm quite certain I have my very own manila folder somewhere.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:28 AM
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40. The question is Who DOESN'T the fbi have a file on?
--
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:54 AM
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43. it's possible
Back during the Reagan era, one of my high school buddies joined the Youth Communist Party, and his family (all CPUSA members) used to get visits from the FBI. His Dad loved talking to them, because he knew there was nothing they could do, and Communists have that evangelical streak in them wherein they cannot resist sharing their philosophy and world view. It was like Jehovah's Witnesses in reverse, lol - have the household member sit YOU down for a chat.

So saying that, an FBI goon did get wind of my friend's associations, who he hung out with (yes! While arguing on the merits of which Jethro Tull album was better, we were plotting world takeover!), etc. If there is a file on me, it must have been very thin and dull. I am leaning no, even if possible.

In the age of the internet... who knows?
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:17 AM
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44. She
it! i've probably got a team w/me as their permanent assignment!





Fat
Boy's
Institute



:bounce:
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:49 AM
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46. I'm 100% certain they've got a file on me.
Edited on Sat Jul-17-04 11:52 AM by LowerManhattanite
Let's just say...my family was part of a targeted organization in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s. The group is still surveilled even in the weaker form it barely exists in today. Our home phones were bugged as were the phones at my dad's business (and subsequently de-bugged by a professional).

My uncles were in another verrrrrry targeted (and notorious) organization in the late 60s-early 70s.

I've worked for a progressive radio network (not AA) since 1986 (yes...as an air personality as well as an engineer, producer and writer).

Tin foil hat time now folks:
On the day the L.A. riots broke out, I received a call from my radio station to come there immediately to do a show with my co-horts to "calm the masses" if you will. I hang up the phone and get in the shower. While in the shower, my phone rings. It's my co-host.

"Hey, what's up?" I say.

"Uh...I dunno. What's up?", he says. "You need a ride to the station?"

"Nah." I said. "I'm gonna walk across the bridge".

"Oh." my buddy goes. "So what'd you call me for?"

"I didn't call you," I replied. "You called me."

"What?", he says. "You called me. My phone rang, I answered it. You called me."

"Um...my phone rang." I replied. "I was in the shower. I answered it and you were on it."

"But I didn't call you." he said.

"Well I know I didn't call you." I said.

Long knowing silence between us...

"Uh...why don't we talk later", he said. "I'll meet you at the JD" (JD being a vulgar acronym for a place we'd given a vulgar name to where we would meet to eat and drink.)

Mind you, we hadn't spoken on the phone all of that tense, raucous, political watershed day so there was no redial mistake on either of our parts. Someone screwed up while monitoring us or intentionally wanted us to know that we were being checked up on.

So yeah, I know they've got a file on me and the crew I run with. I remember ny dad telling us when we were young that we shouldn't hold out hope for anyone in our family ever running for--much less winning an election to public office due to our "activism".

Ain't stoppin' me from doin' what I gotta do though. :)
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:28 PM
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52. A remarkably similar phone thing happened to me!
There's a UFO investigator who is an acquaintence of mine. Let me start by saying that he and my ex-huaband despise each other and neither would ever call the other, or even know each other's phone number.

I was visiting the part of Seattle where the investigator lived, and I had Otter's cell phone with me so I could tell Otter when and where to pick me up. I was at a coffee shop where I would meet the investigator for a drink now and then. So I called the investigator from the coffee shop payphone and invited him in for coffee, then hung up, ordered, and went back to my seat.

Within minutes, Otter's cell phone--which was in my backpack, and which I hadn't touched--started ringing. I went outside and answered it. It was the UFO investigator. "Hello?" he said.

"How did you get this number?" I asked.

"I didn't; why did you call me?" It turned out that his phone and the cell phone had each rung and were connected, though neither of us had dialled!

I emailed Cap'n Crunch to ask how that could happen, and he had no idea. :shrug: I still don't know how, or why, it happened.

Tucker
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:54 AM
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47. yes
as do all of the folks who belonged to the organizations i was involved with in college. nothing particularly radical (at least from my perspective), but i am certain we were considered subversives.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:56 AM
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48. Yep. Had to have one created. Kinda wonder if anything beyond
what I already knew about has been added, though.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 03:20 PM
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49. Yep. It started when I enlisted in the Air Force
They vetted me for my security clearance-- I know, because I was told later they had come to my home town and questioned a few people about me.

I guess I passed, because I got my clearance.

What they've added since then I do not know, nor do I care. Cheney 'em all.
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nose pin Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:11 PM
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50. I know they have one on me
I had to pass an FBI background check.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:15 PM
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51. I know they didn't as of 1997
I requested my file under the FOIA, and they wrote back and said there was no file.

They might by now.

Tucker
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 05:14 PM
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53. I had a top secret security clearance when I was in the Signal Corps
So I know the FBI has a file on me.
John
They had one on my mom, too, because she tended to be a left-wing troublemaker.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 05:16 PM
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54. yes,
i'm sure they started one a LOOOOOONGG time ago.

:-)
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 05:56 PM
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55. Don't know, don't much care
If they do, let them file this lovely photo from my wasted youth:




I'm on the left, natch. ;) :hi:
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 06:50 PM
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57. probably.

Let's see ...

I used to work as a Green Party organizer.
I've been active in the anti-drug-war movement and on prisoner-rights issues.
I put myself through an ivy league degree and a year at Harvard Law (for the express purpose of later seeking public office).
I'm openly and unapologetically anti-capitalist (in exactly those words).
I've been active in internet political forums for about 8 years, I post under my real name, and my favorite hobby is to shred laissez-faire talking points.
I've been photographed, audiotaped and (unsuccessfully) baited to "advocate violence".
I've been stalked and harassed on the net, up to and including threats of violence and death.

So, as to the FBI, I'd say the answer is very probably "yes".

However, as to other (*private*) right-wing groups, I can say with certainty that the answer IS "yes". This I know from direct, personal experience.


MDN




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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 07:40 PM
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58. "Other." I don't give a fuck if the FBI has a file on me.
They would be wasting their time on me for nothing!

Hey Ashcroft! You're a fucking asshole and I'll bet you and Santorum screw each other while wearing pink tutus!

See? That's all I am capable of doing. Now go do your job protecting the USA from the "terrorists" Bush's war is creating by the minute.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:25 PM
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59. I know they do.
In 1984, I was in Navy Communications. Remember the Walker case? All us Comm types got repeated backround checks. When I got out of the Navy this last year, I found a job working for the Navy Internet as a Tech Librarian... and they updated my clearance. Now I'm working for a Navy Tech Library again... with my new, improved clearance.

They have a file on me. And it obviously doesn't say anything bad, since I still have my clearance after 20+ years.

Oh, wait, there's someone at the door....
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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:27 PM
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60. Course I do I'm a 14 year-old Young Democrat n/t
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