Red Hat Blues

[SoDesuKa]

This Linux thing escapes me. I keep hearing how great it is, but I don't see it. Yes, it's free, but everything is so difficult. When you run into a problem, you google support sites and you're given incomprehensible answers. Not only that, but they call you a dumbass.

Klutz! Everybody knows you can't reticulate a frammis! What the hell is wrong with you?

Well, yuk.

[TXlib]

1. I reticulated my frammis just the other day!

Who told you you can't?

[Robb]

2. Around here, "Red Hat"...

...is the produce supplier. :)

Just whack on the computer with a wooden spoon. Works every time. Of course, my computer is made of cheese and string. :silly:

[slackmaster]

3. You have to make Linux part of your lifestyle to get good at it

The problem of all the documentation assuming a lot of prior knowledge has been around since the first Unix systems were developed.

I know one extreme Linux geek who always answers device driver questions with something like "The source code is in the public domain just like everything else. If nobody has a driver that works, write your own. If you can't handle it, too bad."

:crazy:

[SoDesuKa]

6. It's a Belief System

Apparently Linux is a belief system, like Macintosh was before they were so broke they had to go to Bill Gates to bail them out. Macintosh now has a UNIX OS, making it totally appealing to snobs. Well, yuk.

[Deja Q]

9. FreeBSD OS. Not true unix, not by any sort.

WHich means Apple didn't pay a cent for the source code and then charge thousands for their product. O8) They ditched SCSI, they ditched their own OS, and ditched other things to ostensibly cut down on costs. When's the Mac consumer going to get their share? The only TOTL Mac worth getting is the high-end ones, and even they come with less RAM, HD, and video power than a comparable high-end PC (or any home built PC as a high-end home built PC costs as much as a low/medium store-brand PC).

[gold_bug]

92. FreeBSD is only a small part of OS X.

If OS X was no more than a tweaked BSD then I might agree with you.

[GoBlue]

4. Scientists Pack 16.2 Million Doohickies on a Single Frammis

Silicon Valley (NBp) - Scientists in a group of Silicon Valley companies today announced that they have successfully packed 16.2 million doohickies onto a single frammis. Previously, they had only been able to get about 10 million of the doohickies on there.

"As soon as we saw that the thingamajigs could be strung together, we knew we could really pack them in," explained Chief Scientist Janet Pigley.

"We did encounter problems with the whatzits, but a slight tweak to the thingamabobs cleared that up," explained Chief Scientist in Waiting Edwin Worchestershire. "It's really rather exciting when you consider that these doohickies are only 7 frabbles in diameter."

The frammis is packaged as a crandoplatz and will likely sell for $1,000 in quantities of a thousand. This price is generally considered to be good considering the sheer number of linospleens that it is capable of. Without a doubt, competitors will join the kerfluffle within a short period of time.

"These technical terms may be confusing to the layperson, but trust us that this is really cool stuff," added Pigley

[SoDesuKa]

5. That's a Pricey Crandoplatz

They must have seen you coming, sucka.

[Teddy_Salad]

7. Kerfuffle!!! Love that word.

:D

[Deja Q]

8. SuSE + Nividia + Novell + IBM

If they can push it right, M$ will lose money.

Pay for a pre-packaged product and find decent people who are happy to help and try to say things in both Techese and English, TRUE examples of Linuxdom as they are.

Now I've had mixed results. Have the Linux users are friendly, and the other half are arrogant pricks. I'd asked a question a few years back myself and got insulted by many. I then made a new thread and pulled out the guns, rocket launchers, et cetera, saying that Linux is open source and everybody can contribute. This means people in discussion forums need to be nice or else people will get scared off. (Imagine me saying all this with an angry twist. In essence, I cleaned their own chronometers with their own rags...)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

11. The arrogant pricks...

...are the ones that DON'T actually know much Linux besides the horrid Debian install procedure. See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x1198440

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

10. What did go wrong? Were you installing Red Hat? What version? (nt)

[SoDesuKa]

14. Error 28: Selected item cannot fit into memory

There's plenty of memory. The system recognizes the partition, and most importantly, the dual boot into Linux 8.0 used to work.

I've googled all over the Net and found this question asked many times, but nobody answers it. Instead, questioners are insulted or patronized. How come? What is it about an operating system that makes its proponents so defensive about it?

Linux people have self-esteem issues. They'd be geeks anyhow, but Linux gives them an excuse.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

16. What is the context of that error?

What were you trying to do? What actions did you take prior to receiving the error?

[SoDesuKa]

21. Booting

I have several operating systems distributed over two 40-gig hard drives. Linux 8.0 is one of the options on GRUB. It used to work, but now I get:

root(hd0,2)
Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
kernel /vmlinux-2.4.18-14 no root=LABEL=/
Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1400, size=0x11154a
Error 28 Selected item cannot fit into memory

I've seen this error reported all over the net. Nobody answers what to do about it, except with various smart-alecky remarks. One victim commented: "I wanted to dip my toe in the water, not go scuba diving."

The problem with Linux is that when you hit a snag, such as a boot loader that decides to stop working, there's nowhere to go. Red Hat gives the software away but charges for the support. This is not the Age of Aquarius, it's Microsoft-style capitalism in a different form. The open-source "promise" is fraudulent. They give it away, but to make it work you have to pay them.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

23. My advice is

putting "several operating systems distributed over two 40-gig hard drives" is just not a good way to set up your computer. Just because it is possible, doesn't mean it is smart. Hard drives are really cheap, and imho you are best off to put each os on it's own harddrive. This also has the advantage that if some other hardware fails (e.g. motherboard) you can just pop the drive into another box.

But anyway, as far as your problem, (although I haven't used RH8 or GRUB) - Did you make a boot floppy? Can you boot from that and mount the RH8 partition? Do you have data or applications on the partition that you want to save? Have you tried running the install again and attempting to repair the installation?

[SoDesuKa]

26. I'm Going to Delete Linux

I'm going to delete Linux and be done with it. Linux is for macho guys, the way assembly language used to be. I don't need it.

[Name removed]

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[SoDesuKa]

32. I Didn't Know

I didn't know the Linux community would be as prickly as they appear to be. But I guess I could have figured it out by the response to my Web search. Lots of people looking for help with Error 28 and nobody answering them.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

34. So no, you plan to continue posting flamebait.

lol

[cprise]

31. Weren't you trying to be macho

...by installing a bunch of different OSes onto a single system at once?

[SoDesuKa]

36. Actually Not

I installed multiple OS'es because I use them. I could physically swap hard drives, but it's a bother. So far the only operating system that's giving me trouble is Linux. Within the Linux user support community, there's too many people giving you grief for asking a not-uncommon question.

[Name removed]

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[cprise]

51. A statement full of assumptions

FWIW, there is currently a huge "problem" with the new Linux 2.6 kernel because the partitions it creates can cause newer Windows installations to become unbootable. The bug is in the way Windows creates partition tables, but of course the assumption is always that its Linux's "problem".

Microsoft will not adhere to standards, so beware.

[Name removed]

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[geniph]

37. People who insult users who ask well-phrased questions

don't know the answers. They're just trying to make themselves feel superior. You run into that on any tech forum.

Now, insulting users who don't supply adequate information on OS version, what changed, what the exact text of an error is, stuff like that, those users are okay to insult. ;-)

Chances are everyone's seen that error and only a handful of people know how to fix it, and they're busy fixing it everywhere; they don't have time to post to user groups!

[SoDesuKa]

54. That's the Motive

Linux geeks include people who have found a niche where they can continue to be snotty high school sophomores. Nyah nyah, you dummy - that sort of thing.

And they don't want to give it up! Instead of giving a substantive answer right away, they make you work for it. Well, nuts to that.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

55. What is the motive behind your alleged problem?

and this thread? :eyes:

[SoDesuKa]

75. Still No Answer

Still no answer, despite all this back-and-forth. Try this, try that. Even though the problem isn't all that uncommon, I can't find a simple answer. Oh yeah, change hard drives. Replace the boot loader. Move stuff around. If the machine won't boot afterwards, well, you tried.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

85. Do you always insult the people trying to help you? Maybe that's why

you are having such difficulty.

[cheezus]

12. sounds like you need to learn a little linux first

download an burn a knoppix live cd - boot off it and you have a full linux system without touching the windows hard drive.

if computers are hard for you, I'd suggest buying a mac

[SoDesuKa]

13. How Patronizing

It's so typical of Linux geeks to be patronizing. That's why I think there are self-esteem issues lurking here. People become Linux geeks so they can lord it over lesser mortals. I've seen the same dynamic at work among movie mavens, Communist "scholars", Bible freaks, and trivia quiz champs.

Linux needs work. It's hard to use and when you ask for help, you get slammed. Or patronized.

[cheezus]

17. Aren't you being a little over sensitive?

to an honest attempt to help

If you are new to linux and need to learn about it, knoppix is an easy way to do it. If you're not the type of "geek" that's into monkeying around with computers a lot, I suggest a mac, which gives you the unixness with a much easier to use interface. If you took my post as a patronizing attempt to put you down, perhaps it is YOU who have some self esteem issues.

As far as support, I've found the community to be very helpful.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

19. The technical term for that is...

"self-esteem issue." :evilgrin:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

18. Do you insult everyone who suggests that you could learn more

than you already know?

[SoDesuKa]

24. Snob Appeal Operating System

What I'm finding out that Linux' chief virtue may be its snob appeal. It's the correct operating system, don't you know. It's supposed to be cheaper, but if you can't get it to work without paying consultants, there goes the TCO advantage.

From researching a non-booting OS, I've how quickly Linux geeks get obnoxious. I've looked all over the net for an answer to Error 28 Selected item cannot fit into memory. There's lots of snotty remarks, but no answers.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

27. Why did you avoid my question?

Do you insult everyone who suggests you could learn more than you already know?

It could be that the answer to this question is related to the reason you are having trouble finding people willing to help you, lol.

[SoDesuKa]

30. User Community

If you think the Linux user community is all that supportive, I suggest you Google Error 28 Selected item cannot fit into memory. You'll find exactly what I found - this question is asked over and over again, but nobody answers it.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

33. Why are you avoiding my question?

Do you insult everyone who suggests you could learn more than you already know?

It could be that the answer to this question is related to the reason you are having trouble finding people willing to help you, lol.

[SoDesuKa]

41. Why Are You Avoiding Mine?

We've replicated on this thread my experience in trying to find out what to do about Error 28 Selected item cannot fit into memory. No answers, but lots of patronizing remarks, lots of ad homs directed at me. I'm beginning to think the point of learning Linux is that you get to re-live your sophomore year in high school. Nyah nyah, ya dummy!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

42. I answered your question

at least I tried to help you arrive at the answer. Once you saw that someone was trying to help instead of flaming, you responded by saying you were going to delete linux. I say 'Great' -- except I don't believe you ever installed it in the first place, lol.


So, do you insult everyone who suggests you could learn more than you already know?

It could be that the answer to this question is related to the reason you are having trouble finding people willing to help you, lol.

[SoDesuKa]

44. Let's Leave It at That n/t

n/t

[Feanorcurufinwe]

45. No, let's not. Do you insult everyone who suggests you could learn more

than you already know?

It could be that the answer to this question is related to the reason you are having trouble finding people willing to help you, lol.

[SoDesuKa]

49. I Gave You the Last Shot

I gave you the last shot, why not leave it at that? I don't like Linux, and you do. Let's agree to disagree.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

52. Do you insult everyone who suggests you could learn more

than you already know?

It could be that the answer to this question is related to the reason you are having trouble finding people willing to help you, lol.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

20. AH, that was enlightening. I now believe helping you in Linux is...

...the same as trying to convince JimRob (of FreeRepublic) that Kerry may not be such a bad guy after all.

For the SAME reasons.

Have a nice day. No, I take that back. Don't.

[Name removed]

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[SoDesuKa]

77. That's Not True

All of the substantive responses I've gotten involve doing something risky and heroic. I don't want to end up with a machine that won't boot at all.

It turns out that you can't use Linux unless you're an expert at it. An operating system like that isn't useful to me. If there was some reason to become an expert, I'd consider it.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

86. It's no one's fault but your own if you are unwilling to take advice.

Duh.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

15. wtf?

Just what is it you are having a problem with?

[cprise]

25. RedHat is a server OS

...geared toward professional IT administrators.

Going by my own experience and the feedback from reviews, the following Linux brands are very easy to use (in descending order): Xandros, Linspire, Mandrake, SuSE, Libranet.

As far as getting help online, I think the bad attitudes are starting to disappear. There are LOTS more intermediate and novice Linux users helping each other out. I get a lot of my information from forums.xandros.com and I can say there has been ZERO attitude over there... It's very nice.

[SoDesuKa]

29. I Don't Need It

I don't actually need Linux, in fact I'm coming to the conclusion that its reputation is overblown. It's hard to use, and the user community is full of attitude. The advantages must come from its snob appeal. If I wanted to impress somebody with my knowledge, I think I'd learn something that doesn't replicate what already exists.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

35. Good. Now, hopefully you won't feel the need to insult those who do.

However, my hopes on that score are not high, lol.

[SoDesuKa]

39. Flame Bait

This wasn't intended as flame bait. I had no way of knowing what Linux people are like. You still haven't reponded in any substantive way. I've found that that's characteristic of the Linux community. My, how smart you all are.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

40. You post is not truthful.

You still haven't reponded in any substantive way.

That is not a truthful statement.

See posts 10, 16, 23. 12 and 37 are actually pretty substantive as well, although perhaps a little too cutting for your tastes, lol.

[cprise]

46. Substance

At your queue I searched on Google and within the first six links discovered the problem and the cure:

"This is a known problem with GRUB and on certain hardware. I saw the same thing with SuSE 8.1 on my new AMD machine. You need to swap out GRUB for LILO, or reinstall and pick LILO as the default bootloader."
http://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-install-list/2002-December/msg01518.html


Here is a thread about the problem in SuSE:
http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2002-Nov/1154.html

So GRUB is mis-detecting the amount of RAM in that system and thinks the kernel is too big to fit.

BTW- No transition to a new OS (Linux, Windows or otherwise) is going to work out well unless you have professional support available for the first year or two. And before you even take that first step, you should read reviews about what is the most solid and easiest-to-use Linux for desktop use; where that's concerned RedHat isn't even on the map. Any number of pubications (PC Magazine, etc.) coud have told you that. IMO, you are in denial that your choice of a *free* option was still a normal consumer decision requiring research.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

48. I never understood why they moved to GRUB

I've stuck with LILO all along.

[cprise]

67. More than that, notice how SoDesuKa is ignoreing the answer

Seesm there's plenty of attitude to go around.

[SoDesuKa]

72. Heroic Answers

Of course I'm going to ignore calls for heroic interventions like moving operating systems to their own hard drive. There are two elements here. One, an operating system that used to boot just fine has stopped booting. Two, although this seems to be a common problem, nobody has answered it.

I don't want a heroic answer, I want a simple answer. If the suggestions all involve putting the other OS'es at risk, I won't do it, it's not that important.

The nasty responses I've gotten are totally unjustified. We're talking about an operating system, not your dog, your faith, your life style, or your children. An operating system - a piece of software.

[cprise]

74. I just answered it

Read the answer and stop yapping already.

If you don't want to re-install Redhat with LILO, then its your choice to be obstinate.

And FYI, it is Windows that puts other OSes at risk with its erratic handling of partition tables, not the major Linux brands. Of course, it's not a VIRUS so MS probably won't do anything to fix it.

"a piece of software" -- so true, and it must be shopped for like anything else. You made a bad choice, simple as that.

[SoDesuKa]

78. Windows

As it happens, I do all my serious computer work on Windows operating systems. Out of curiosity, I installed Linux on an empty partition and it worked for a while. When it stopped working, it gave me an error message that I researched on the Web. I didn't get an answer, but I saw that people who asked similar questions were frequently derided and abused.

As it happens, I don't have to fix Linux. It's a good thing there's nothing important residing on a partition that I can't boot and I can't fix. It wasn't my intention to attack the Linux community, but that's how my comments were received. I can imagine the grief of other users who've lost data to errors similar to those I experienced.

In my opinion, Linux is hugely over-rated. It's buggy and complicated, and the user support community is often abusive.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

88. How can both these statements be true?

I installed multiple OS'es because I use them. (post 36)

Out of curiosity, I installed Linux on an empty partition (post 78)

There is a clear contradiction here. Where you telling the truth in post 36, or in post 78? I guess it is also possible that both statements are untrue, but they can't both be true.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

89. Do you believe he really got rude answers to his questions

or do you think he is making the whole thing up?

[ACK]

43. What list did you query? Where did you get such a rude response?

On the Redhat lists I never got such a response.

Boot from the CD

Use the rescue System.

Mount the hard drive and then edit the /boot/grub.conf I believe.

try

root (hd0,1)
kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlinuz

At the moment your grub thinks root= is a file not a device.

[SoDesuKa]

47. The Configuration Hasn't Changed

It used to work, and it stopped working. My Google results show that this problem has occurred to other people as well. If I start fiddling around with a configuration that hasn't changed, there's a good chance the machine won't boot at all.

Everything about Linux is bass-ackwards, and Linux people act like they are so superior. You ask for help, and you get patronizing remarks, e.g., May I suggest you buy a Mac.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

50. Why are you avoiding the other poster's question?

Everytime someone poses a direct question to you, you just reply with more off-topic flamebait?


I don't believe you ever installed RH8.

[ACK]

56. I did not say anything about the configuration changing.

Just try it as it was a suggestion that happened to me after an upgrade.

If you hate it then please delete it from your hard drive.

I am not religious in my love of linux use what is best for you.

Why throw in the insult to the community flame?

Did you ask these question on the redhat or Fedora lists?

I was signed up to the redhat lists for a looong time and never got this sort of response.

Who are you asking man?

A bit of advice never go to the chat forums. They are usually populated by l33t trolls.

However, the big email lists for your distro like the redhat lists are usually the best for getting good response.

The funny thing is that I do not consider buying a Mac much of an insult as an old unix hack.

After all, Mac OS X is BSD now. :-)

_

[SoDesuKa]

64. It's Just an Operating System

I am actually somewhat mystified by the heated responses I've gotten here. We're talking about an operating system, aren't we? Not a lifestyle or a faith.

I don't want to dig out lines of code and start changing them. It's much easier to avoid the problem by deleting Linux. I haven't heard anybody tell me the advantages of this operating system that justify keeping consultants on retainer for a home machine.

The machine works. If I start replacing GRUB with LILO, there's a good chance it won't. It ain't broke.

[ACK]

68. Yes man, that is what I said -- going to delete it? Good.

Because you do not like it.

Use what is best for you.

Yet, it was you not me who jumped in and basically it sucks and the people that use it are all rude.

I did not ask you by the way, to replace Grub.

What worked for me might not work for you (same way with many Windows fixes too in my day) but all I asked was that you change on file and try it.

You don't want to?

Cool.

Let me say for the third time, use what is best for you.

[SoDesuKa]

81. A Work in Progress

Home Linux seems to be for hobbyists who like to spend hours fixing things. I didn't know that when I installed it on an empty partition on one of my hard drives. Now that I see that it's prone to sudden, baffling breakdowns, I realize I can't use it for anything important. If I have to hire a consultant to keep it going, what will I do if it pops a gasket at 1:15 in the morning?

It must be a lot of fun to people who enjoy being computer detectives. One of these days I'll get religion, too.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

90. You are right. Linux is not for you.

The real question is: So what? Who gives a fuck?

[Forkboy]

94. I'd say you do

why else respond over and over?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

96. I like

flamewars. Haven't you noticed? Duh.

I don't give a fuck whether the other poster uses linux or not, but I enjoy pointing out his contradictions, insults and errors.

[Forkboy]

99. Oh I noticed

:eyes:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

100. So you asked a question you already knew the answer to?

Why?

[Forkboy]

109. Why not?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

113. Because it might make your posts look like offtopic flamebait. nt

[Forkboy]

114. so

"who gives a fuck?"

[Feanorcurufinwe]

116. ?

who gives a fuck? You've stumped me.

[Forkboy]

118. wasn't hard

[Feanorcurufinwe]

120. Yes, it is easy to post meaningless statements,

that can't be replied to substantively, because they lack any substance to reply to.

Congratulations. :party:

[Forkboy]

123. Some are experts at it

I hear

[Nomad559]

53. Red Hat CEO: Use Windows--It's Better

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5101690.html

Matthew Szulik, chief executive of Linux vendor Red Hat, said on Monday that although Linux is capable of exceeding expectations for corporate users, home users should stick with Windows: "I would say that for the consumer market place, Windows probably continues to be the right product line," he said. "I would argue that from the device-driver standpoint and perhaps some of the other traditional functionality, for that classic consumer purchaser, it is my view that (Linux) technology needs to mature a little bit more."

[Feanorcurufinwe]

57. I agree.

Unless they want to pay me big bucks to help them, I don't recommend ordinary users switch to Linux.

[ACK]

58. I agree to a point

There are people that really want or need to learn the unix way of doing things that can neither afford or want a Mac system.

Linux is good for those folks.

_

[SoDesuKa]

60. It's a Snob Thing

You know, I suspected that the Linux thing was about geek snobbery. The responses I've received confirm that. There's nothing wrong with snob appeal, it's one of the big motivators in the computer industry.

Here's Red Hat's CEO saying it's not ready for prime time, it needs work. That's been my experience. I'm glad to hear that he agrees with me.

[ACK]

62. Gosh you insult others by saying they are insulting

And then you post this?

The CEO did not say it was not ready for prime time. The world of computers does not end at the laptop or home computer. In fact as you probably well know it only begins there.

The Redhat CEO is simply stating that linux should emphasize on the server and the Unix workers workstation. It is not in their (Redhat's) plan to go for the Xandros or Lindows market of trying to sell to home computer users.

It is quite ready for prime time on any server environment where you are willing to put an Intel box. Otherwise for large scale NAS or Oracle implementations I would suggest Sun/Solaris. For DNS, ftp, webservers and a host of other app servers, Redhat and Linux in general works very well and so does BSD.
_

[cprise]

65. I disagree

The only Linux Redhat will compare to Windows is RedHat, because to them RedHat is the only Linux that exists. And yes, RedHat support for video, USB, etc. does SUCK. Big time.

And in the 6 months since that article was written, RedHat has announced they want a part of the desktop market, too.

My parents use Xandros Linux, have done so for over a year and they're not switching back. Friends and colleagues at work are also switching in large numbers now and I am steering them away from RedHat.

[SoDesuKa]

71. A Useful Answer

You are saying that the problem is Red Hat, not Linux. This is a much more useful answer than the ones I've been getting - accusing me of being obstinate, of starting flame wars, of refusing help, etc., etc.

So Red Hat is flakey! Fine, I'll get rid of it. I don't see where all the anger is coming from. If I said the baby was ugly, I'm sorry. I didn't think of it as a baby.

[cprise]

76. Actually, *I* just accused you of being obstinate too

...farther up in the thread. Enjoy.

Re-installing with LILO is not a "Heroic answer".

[SoDesuKa]

79. Heroic Fixes

I haven't gotten a good explanation of why the operating system isn't booting. Although it seems to be a common problem, the answers seem to involve fiddling with a boot loader that's working fine for the other operating systems. There's too much valuable data on those OS'es.

The problem here is that Linux just stopped working. I'd say that an operating system that does that has some problems. Look it up! Error 28 Selected item cannot fit into memory. I am really not anxious to use an operating system that behaves that way without explanation.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

93. Who gives a fuck?

Just don't use it. You already said:


I installed multiple OS'es because I use them. (post 36)

Out of curiosity, I installed Linux on an empty partition (post 78)


clearly both these statements cannot be true, but what is also clear is that you are not willing to learn how to use it, therefore Linux is not the right OS for you - so just don't use it.

[Dogmudgeon]

59. My Linux Hell

I tried to set up a Linux box, off-and-on from about 1995 to 1998.

There were no video drivers that would work. So I'd get in touch with Linux gurus. And sometimes they would spend hours gabbing to me about Libertarian philosophy.

Hours.

Platform is becoming increasingly UN-important. I support the Open Software movement. Although I'm a Microsoft developer and I even have a soft spot for Mr. Gates, I still was routing for the Department of Justice.

But the Penguin had his chance.

--bkl

[SoDesuKa]

61. Hours and Hours

they would spend hours gabbing to me about Libertarian philosophy

And telling you how smart they were. Q.E.D.

[Name removed]

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[SoDesuKa]

69. Over the Top

I am really astounded that my remarks about an operating system are taken to be an insult. An insult? To an operating system? A piece of software?

I think this response is way over the top. No program is worth all the genuflecting I'm seeing. I must be a non-believer. I really don't see anything sacred about Linux.

[ACK]

70. Insulting everyone that uses or supports it with their donated time

BTW, you never said or provided a link to any of this rude arrogant behavior you experienced beside one silly soul here that said you should buy a Mac.

[SoDesuKa]

73. Donated Time

The advice you get from the usenet groups isn't free if you have to tolerate personal abuse. I complained that an operating system is hard to use and that user support is often lacking. I'm astounded at the response to such a mild assertion. If you want to promote this problematic operating system you have to act nice. Instead, Linux geeks act like high school sophomores, e.g., Nyah nyah you dumbass.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

80. Nobody's asking you to use linux

If you don't like linux don't use it. Who gives a fuck?

[SoDesuKa]

82. Good Advice

Now the next time I hear somebody going on and on about how great Linux is, I'll have some personal experience. It's a great operating system for people who like surprises. Sense of humor not required, but helpful.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

87. So why don't you take it?

[ACK]

104. Usenet groups!?! You mean there are mean people on usenet?

Knock me over with a feather.

Have you ever seen usenet group that did not have its fair share of assholes?

Seriously, you are looking for help in all the wrong places.

That is why all the major distros run email lists for people to post questions and get answers to their problems.

Like I said about four times already don't use linux if you don't like it. Nobody has a gun at your head. Just because the guy next door likes it does not mean that it is the end bomb.

[SoDesuKa]

124. The Next Big Thing

I've been hearing for years that Linux is the next big thing, that it's keeping Bill Gates awake at night. Red Hat, one of the leaders, has been out for a long time, it's even listed on the stock market. But after all that time and all that development, this operating system is still rough-hewn. Imagine a completely disabling error like Error 28 Selected item cannot fit into memory being out there as long as it has been, and there's still no standard answer for it.

In my opinion, Linux is not the next big thing. It works in environments where a coterie of attendants fusses over settings and tweaks parameters. I thought Linux had helpful user support but it doesn't. And the number of assholes offering unreliable suggestions isn't small, even filtering them out on corporate websites.

After all the good stuff I heard about Linux, I'm disappointed to learn it's a hobby thing for a certain type of person. I don't enjoy playing computer detective to get an unreliable operating system up and running again. Linux is too flakey for me.

[Nomad559]

66. Accelerating The Adoption And Use Of Linux

Microsoft Is hosting this streaming lecture

http://murl.microsoft.com/LectureDetails.asp?1049

[SoDesuKa]

83. Linux Geeks Promote Linux

I'm not surprised that Linux geeks promote Linux. It's not that the operating system has any inherent advantages, but it works for them! There's got to be a reason why a system would suddenly stop booting and display Error 28 Selected item cannot fit into memory. But if you want the answer, pay a Linux geek. How cheeky of them to call it open-source computing.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

91. I suggest you don't use linux.

Now it's your turn to insult me, or 'linux geeks' in general lol.

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[Feanorcurufinwe]

97. "What goes around comes around"

There is some truth in that expression.

[Forkboy]

102. lol...nice edit

"maybe they only act like dicks to you".

Maybe,they're still being dicks.

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[Forkboy]

106. It may be

It is possible that the way people treat you has something to do with the way you treat them.

Ever look in the mirror?

Or it could be that this is just another in your endless series of failed attempts to 'zing' me, lol.

Nah,that's too easy.It's not even sporting anymore.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

111. I don't know what you mean by 'ever look in the mirror?'

I have no complaints about the way people treat me. I can't think of any group of people that I would label as 'dicks'.

I do believe that 'what goes around comes around'. Therefore, those people who have gripes about the way they are treated should be the ones to refresh themselves with the view in the mirror.

[Forkboy]

115. It'll come to you

give it time,you're a smart guy.I have faith.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

119. I can't think of any group of people that I would label as 'dicks'.

I have no complaints about the way people treat me.

I do believe that 'what goes around comes around'. Therefore, those people who have gripes about the way they are treated should be the ones to refresh themselves with the view in the mirror.

[ACK]

98. How many people do you actually know that use linux?

Wow, people, say you guys are taking this awfully personal.

Well, when someone makes a blanket statement and then implies that their experience is the universal experience as in your last sentence, I think that is very personal.

We get this guy who has a bad experience on usenet (gosh who would have thunk -- assholes on usenet) getting linux support and suddenly that is the universal experience.

I have found a lot of people on Redhat, SuSE and gentoo lists willing to help me out with issues.

But what you are saying is that comic book geeks, gamer geeks and linux geeks in your personal experience are all dicks and good luck finding decent ones because your experience is the one true universal experience.

Gosh, that kind of response would not make a person rude especially if they take time to answer people's questions as I tried to or donate code or other things to open source projects as I have.

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[Forkboy]

101. I didn't say my experience was universal

just that it was my experience.

I know 9 people (off the top of my head) that use Linux.They are all dicks.That doesn't translate to all Linux users are dicks,though I'm seeing little evidence to the contrary.If anyone is taking this personal it seems to be some of you on this thread.

[ACK]

108. You seriously implied that in your last statement

Saying good luck to finding linux users who were not.

There were multiple people here trying to offer a solution to this person's problem once they finally stated what the issue was.

Most people keep repeating over and over that if this person does not like linux then do not use it and I only saw one thread that equals go buy a mac or something.

Calling people dicks out of hand and implying that you would need good luck indeed finding people who use this operating system who are not dicks makes it clear that you have a very personal state in what you are stating.

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[Forkboy]

112. if you say so

my experience is my experience :shrug:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

117. Either that or

your report of your experience is actually untrue. There is no way for us to tell.

[Forkboy]

122. Nope,none at all

I think the same thing when I read your posts.

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[Forkboy]

110. wrong guess

but you are consistant.

[SoDesuKa]

107. Not Looking, Thank You

I'm not spending a lot of time ferreting out "cool" techies, I'm just not that interested in advancing technology. I have other work to do.

I'd say that Red Hat Linux 8.0 is a clumsy operating system for a home user. The particular error Error 28 Selected item cannot fit into memory is common enough that there ought to be a standard answer for it. And it's quite serious! If you can't boot the operating system, you lose all your work.

But instead of getting a straightforward answer, all I've come across is a lot of "try this, try that" stuff. I installed Linux out of curiosity, but now I'm finding out how flakey it is. It's too risky to do any serious work on. Imagine not being able to access something you wrote a month ago.

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[Moderator]

125. Locking.

This thread is not displaying the minimum of civility and respect required by the rules of this message board. I'm locking it as inflammatory.