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Butterflies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:52 PM
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I saw "Mulholland Drive" last night. . . . WTF?
Maybe I'm being really dense, but I didn't get it.

Why did the female characters keep changing who they were?

Who was the dirty street person next to the dumpster, and what was the point of his section of the movie (the scared guy in the diner who dreamed about him.)

Why were the old people who were with "Betty" at the airport in the beginning so weird?

What was "the cowboy" thing about?

I know the film won honors the year it came out (2001, I think), but I have no idea why. The actress who played Rita was beautiful and I liked her, but the rest of it was a waste of time in my opinion.

What am I missing?
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:53 PM
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1. I can tell you what was going on.
Edited on Tue May-25-04 01:54 PM by skypilot
Do you want me to or do you want to figure it out on your own? :)

The explanation is actually quite simple and it's something you've probably seen before.
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:53 PM
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2. Do a google search "Salon Mulholland Drive Article"

It is a great explanation of the movie...
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zbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:54 PM
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3. Here's the link for Salon's piece.
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Butterflies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 02:24 PM
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8. Thanks for the link
I feel better because at least I'm not alone in my confusion about that movie.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:02 PM
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9. Definitely read the Salon article... I was equally baffled and
even irritated after watching the movie, that I had no clue what I had just watched. I like movies with subtle twists that make you think, but I hate movies that make you feel stupid for no reason....Mulholland is one of these, IMO.
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m-jean03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:55 PM
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4. I agree. . .
Have you seen Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me?
David Lynch is a just a big old weirdo! :D
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:55 PM
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5. I saw an interview with David Lynch from like 1990 where he's like...
...not everything has to mean something.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:56 PM
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6. One of my favorites.... and a tremendous soundtrack!
Angelo Badalamenti.... and the a cappella version of the old Roy Orbison hit "Crying"
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:59 PM
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7. Check out the thread on "Mulholland Drive" on the
IMDB website. Find the page with info on the movie and read the viewer's comments - they'll explain a lot of questions you may have about the movie.

I'm a very literal person and symbolism is so subtle that it just goes right over my head. When I don't "get" a movie, I look it up on IMDB and find out there are all kinds of clues and stuff that I missed.

This site was especially helpful with regard to the movies "Donnie Darko" and "Grovesney Park".
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sus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:03 PM
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10. I stopped watching ten minutes into it
and I NEVER do that.

but now I hear there's some hot lesbian sex so I might have to rent it again.
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:35 PM
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12. yes
you should very erotic stuff got me going that is for sure.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:28 PM
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11. that movie is fab
for me, the whole thing was a juxtaposition of watts' perfect dreams/aspirations & her hellish reality -- the movie also the contrasts the best & worst of hollywood: the california dream & the california nightmare

other people have different concepts, that's what makes it so good...
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:32 PM
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16. Sundog, you are so achingly right!...
I lived and worked in Hollywood for a dozen years, until fairly recently. I knew a lot of folks who worked for Lynch, especially on "Twin Peaks." I spent enough time with Lynch himself to say that you got exactly what he was going for with this movie.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:14 PM
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18. what a cool thing to say...
:)

yeah, i've watched it 3 times also -- for me, the main clue in separating the illusion from reality is the film's "bookends" -- the pink bedsheets...

lynch also uses a lot of techniques of noir/expressionism with harring's character as the doppelganger -- ultimately she's an extention of watts' character (there's a shot at the end that reinforces that)... but i'd have to watch it a few more times...

i love this kinda stuff

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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:57 PM
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13. A stunning, confusing movie I've seen 3 times now...
...and yes, the Salon piece, co-written by an old compatriot of mine, Andy Klein ( a very smart man), goes a good ways towards explaining it. But not all the way, because at the end of the day there is no full explanation. That's not what Lynch is about. It's quite frustrating to people like me whose minds frequently demand a full explanation. But for Lynch, I'll make an exception. I find his disturbing cinematic visions to be so subtle, so close to my weird nightmares that I'll grant him license to have his loose ends.
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m-jean03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:35 PM
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17. I'll stick by my original post...
David Lynch is a big old weirdo! :D
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:23 PM
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19. He ain' t just a weirdo. He's disturbed. Why I love 'im! (n/t)
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m-jean03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:33 PM
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20. Oh, admit it!
You act all highbrow, but you just like to see girls boinking! :P
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:02 PM
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14. At the very beginning, even before the credits...
you see the camera pan toward a bed then onto a pillow (as if going to sleep), much of the movie following this point is a dream.
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:25 PM
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21. I've seen it three times ...after the first time the friend who I was
with and I were both "WTF"!!!!! (but I was more pissed off at myself that I saw Carl Reiner in the theatre with his wife and didn't go up to him to beg him to have his son, Rob, save the f'in' country -this was at a theatre in West L.A. when the movie first came out...but I digress)anyhow, we re-rented it this time after a little, shall we say, mind alteration...and "got it" better the second time. Then, I rented it the third time because, yes, I'm a lesbian and OMG that scene is SOOOOO HOT!!!!!!!! In any case, I love movies like that and would see those types over the blockbusters any time.
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:18 PM
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15. It truly was a WTF movie.
Didn't make sense until I read the Salon article on it.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:55 PM
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22. It makes sense NOW?!?
Even after the Salon article it makes no real sense. What's the deal with the guy drinking espresso? Why is SO MUCH made out of it? What's up with the guy with big ears that sits in the chair? And for god's sake what's the deal with the old people that turn into little itty-bitty people and crawl under the door? The bit about how maybe they represent her lost innocence or something doesn't explain about how people TURN INTO LITTLE ITTY-BITTY PEOPLE THAT GIGGLE!
AAAAHHHHHHHHH! WHYWHYWHY?!?
Jeez what a movie...
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:02 PM
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23. It's a cinematic ink blot...
Ask any three people who've seen it, and you'll probably get three different opinions.

Perhaps it's best to just enjoy it as a strange (and sometimes silly) movie, and not get too far into trying to comprehend it -- there may not be all that much to get, anyway.

Sometimes that sense of "not knowing" can be a great ride.

:toast:
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:06 PM
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24. David Lynch is a Republican. That 'splains why his movies suck to me!
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:31 PM
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25. Everything you were afraid to ask about "Mulholland Drive"
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