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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 12:44 AM
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Zell Miller: a tinfoil hat theory
OK, we all know Zell Miller is just another neocon tool. he's not a moderate, not a maverick. not even a blue dog. he's in the right wing's back pocket more securely than Trent Lott. However because he has a (D) next to his name, this benefits the right wing more. He can cosponsor legislation and all of a sudden it's bipartisan. He can endorse Bush and make it look like the Democrats are falling apart. And if any Republican was saying half the stuff he was saying about the party he'd just be written off as a cheap partisan hack. but Zell Miller does it and all of a sudden it has validity.

But he wasn't always like this. Not as governor, not at the 1992 convention. No Paul Wellstone, but not a right wing ass kisser. More like Breaux, or even Cleland. So what caused the change? Well maybe the right wing realized having a Democrat on their side would have all the advantages above. so bribery perhaps? some sort of incentive to get him to be a turncoat?

it's worth thinking about.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 12:47 AM
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1. I suspect
that it was simply Washington that turned him. Within his own state his more conservative views served him well and frankly he was the big dog. He gets to Washington as an older, freshman Senator with views to the far right of his colleagues and he must have felt marginalized. This couldn't have helped his ego. Voila, he can fraternize with the right and be stroked and petted so he feels important.

Simply my speculative $.02
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:07 AM
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4. Your speculation reads true to me
and I've lived in Georgia for many years and been surprised at Zell's "turn" to the right. Zell was a big fish in the little pond of Young Harris, Georgia, and then worked his way up to being a big fish in the state. As governor, he not only helped Bill Clinton carry Georgia, he advised him to hire Carville and Begala to run his campaign. They had just run Zell's gubernatorial campaign.

In Georgia, Zell had pioneered the Hope Scholarship (have a 3.0 average in high school and the state will give you a scholarship to help with college, the only string being that you must keep a B average in college, too.) If I remember correctly, and I think I do, it was Zell who got state-funded kindergarten started in Georgia. And, impressed by studies suggesting that listening to classical music helps people think, he started a state program to give the parents of every newborn in Georgia a cassette tape of classical music to play for their newborn. Hardly sounds like the man Roy Barnes sent to the Senate when Paul Coverdell died suddenly, does it?

But Zell is a proud man who doesn't like to be snubbed because of his roots, which are not only Southern, and rural, but "mountain" roots. He launched a small campaign against the "hillbilly" stereotypes in the "Snuffy Smif" cartoon strip and succeeded in getting some newspapers to drop it. I think he may have spoken out against Jeff Foxworthy's "redneck" humor, too. And having lived in Georgia so long and seen how many people outside the South are prejudiced about Southerners, I can't say that I blame him for being oversensitive. In the ten years I've had internet access, I have seen Southerners slandered on a variety of forums, lists, etc. You know the drill: Southerners are slow, they talk funny, they're lazy, they're racist, etc. :eyes:

I expect Zell left Georgia thinking of himself as a fairly progressive Democrat, a man who'd earned the respect of many, and found out he was a rube in Washington, a hick nobody wanted to be bothered with. He liked George Bush -- he respects him for understanding the infield fly rule -- so it was easy for him to get along with Republicans. They were glad to feed his hungry ego a bit to get his vote. The rest is history. And tragedy.

Zell HAS been trying to tell Dems that they write the South off to their own peril. It's too late to make a difference with Zell's bizarre Senatorial career, but Dems should remember that there are still yellow dog Democrats in the South, and a lot of other voters who've voted for both parties and will vote Democratic again, as long as the Dems don't insult them by patronizing them or by buying into the stereotypes.

If Democrats are capable of understanding that not all Muslims are terrorists, why can't they understand that not all Southerners are racists?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:21 AM
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5. I think you are probably right on target, DemBones. Very inciteful (n/t)
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:44 AM
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6. Thank you, but I was merely building on jmaier's idea,

which made enormous sense to me. The more I wrote, the more I thought of things I knew about Zell. I should have also added that he tried to have the Georgia state flag changed, to remove the Confederate battle flag that made up part of it.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 01:11 AM
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2. He looked too closely at Joe Biden's hair transplants
which is enough to make anyone hate Democrats.
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Wwagsthedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 01:13 AM
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3. He's the pugules answer to Lincoln Chafee
nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:58 AM
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 05:10 AM
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8. "Fringe of the liberal left"??? Huh?
The positions taken by the Democratic Party are only on the "fringe of the liberal left" if you assume that the centre is somewhere to the right of Barry Goldwater, and define "conservative" as being somewhere in the same ideological neighbourhood as fascism. The Democratic Party is, by and large, a centre-right party.

You've succeeded in saying more about yourself than about Democrats, I'm afraid...perhaps you should try some more balanced sources of information than Fox, Newsmax, Rush and Hannity. It would do you some good.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 01:09 PM
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10. No, he's not a Democrat.
That POS endorsed Bush* for president.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 01:06 PM
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 01:10 PM
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12. He's a POS that endorsed Bush* for president.
Seems like we're being inundated today, folks.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 01:14 PM
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13. Zell Miller believes Bush is a good president. If you believe the same
then this may not be the internet site for you since the purpose of this site is to get Bush out of the White House.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 01:31 PM
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15. Busy today, aren't you?
As a Georgian, I'm disgusted by that rank piece of shit
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Sir_Shrek Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 01:09 PM
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11. Zell Miller...
..has always been the way he's been. I don't think anyones changed him. The Dem Party has moved leftward of late.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 01:20 PM
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14. So, unless we support Bush's election (like Zell)
We're all leftists.

Darn, we've been found out! (Shouldn't have bothered to get that Trotsky tattoo where nobody can see it.)
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