I just lost all respect for James Carville!! Crossfire!

[Desertrose]

I just heard Carville lump Kucinich with Traficant as losed dem candidates.

:wtf:

James....what happened to ye?? I used to like the way you spoke out...but lately???

What the hell is going on....how can a dem speak against a legitimate candidate at this point??!!!

I am sooo disappointed.....nothing to watch this show for anymore....
:grr:

DR

[whoYaCallinAlib]

1. He is trying to steer support to Kerry . . . that's his guy.

He seems to say the most positive things about Kerry and Edwards.

[Kahuna]

35. Today he gave a shout out to Graham. Unfortunately..

it was at Dennis' expense.

[diplomats]

2. Perhaps because he has no chance of winning?

Of course, if you like Kucinich, I can see why you'd be pissed.

[Desertrose]

14. I'd be pissed to have him compare any of the candidates

to someone doing jail time...
it just sucks!

it also sucked that it was Kucinich who also happens to be getting a bum rap from the media....

It sucks that candidates don't/can't get equal air time...

It sucks that eveyone has to be so freaking petty...

And point of reference...
He does have a chance to win.

Peace
DR

[dragonquest8]

25. get real man

you need a reality check

[JohnKleeb]

31. DR I agree that sucks

[blm]

36. You're right, DR...it was petty.

And not right on many levels.

[ShaneGR]

46. Just telling the truth, sometimes the truth hurts

No offense...

[orangecoloredapple]

3. Carville's smart

and to the middle of the spectrum. He can't get his mind around the possibility of a progressive candidate having a chance, and frankly, neither can I. I believe in almost everything Kucinich says, but don't think he has a chance in hell. Maybe as VP?

[Clete]

20. That's a thought.

I like Kucinich as well, but I think Dean has a better chance of winning as a Clintonesque dark horse type of candidate. Do you think if Dean got the nomination that he would offer the VP candidacy to Kucinich? Would Kucinich, like LBJ, accept?

[Jackpine Radical]

39. Well, unlike LBJ probly Kucinich wouldn't already have plans

for his accession to the Presidency if he accepts VP.

[Desertrose]

41. Zinger, Jackpine!

I would hope not...DK is a million miles form LBJ as far as humanity....


:hi:Hey dude...
you keepin' outta trouble these days :evilgrin:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. Maybe You Should Think Twice About Questioning LBJ'S Humainty

He was a school teacher in Texas teaching poor Mexicans before getting into politics.

He put the first African American on The Supreme Court

He passed the

Civil Rights Act

Voting Rights Act

Fair Housing Act

Medicare

Medicaid

All efforts to help the previously disenfranchised and poor.

It was the greatest expansion of the welfare state since FDR.

[Tinoire]

4. Never forget that Carville is more resonsible for the DLC than for Clinton

Never forget that Carville is more responsible for the DLC than for anything else. The man is DLC through and through. Adorable. Bright. Frisky. A person you definitely want on your side but DLC through and through. They could never like an 'extremist' like Kucinich.

[Desertrose]

11. Good reminder Tinoire

DLC.....sigh.....I should have remembered that....
and his sweet repub wife Mary....


Peace
DR

[Tinoire]

16. Thing is - it's fine if he wants to be DLC, it's fine if he wants

The thing is - it's fine if he wants to be DLC, it's fine if he wants to push it but now he's just becoming silly. There's no necessity for spite and ugliness. This just makes me firmer in my believe that we're on the right track in distancing ourselves from them and their agenda.

Also firmer in my resolve to turn as many people on to Kucinich as possible.

First Blood.

[Devil Dog Dem]

29. How do you figure Carville is DLC?

He and his partner in Democracy Corps --Stan Greenberg-- are far from DLC.

[el_gato]

5. turn off the t.v.

I quit watching that shit a long time ago.
My life is so much the better for it.

If Carville was a threat to the ruling establishment he wouldn't be allowed on t.v.

I hear he's also working for some outfit that is seeking to depose Chavez in Venenzuela.

[Tinoire]

You got that right! Also a year or two ago

he offered his PR services to the Israeli government to help them re-make their image. The Israelis balked at the bill and got someone else. I wonder how obscene the bill was.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. He Helped The

S-O-C-I-A-L-I-S-T and peace Labour candidate Ehud Barak defeat a right wing Likud candidate.

C'mon folks let's not rewrite history here.

[demnan]

6. Remember too

He's married to a Republican, it rubs off sometimes.

[AngryWhiteDemocrat]

8. Yep

If I was married to a Republican, I'd rub off a lot too.

[Stevendsmith]

12. Hah!

[Gringo]

7. It would be fair to predict Dennis's loss based on his poor performances

on the talk show. He'd have to be DAMN good to sell such a left agenda, but he's too passive and ill-prepared.

It is unfair to compare him to the unprincipled crook, Traficant, though, IMO. He is a legit candidate, if a bit weak in defending himself.

[Fixated]

9. ...

Of course he bashed Kucinich. No serious political commentator wants to be lumped with Dennis' ideas, for their career's sake. DK stands no chance. He'll drag down liberal candidates just as Nader dragged down Gore.

[orangecoloredapple]

21. I think Nader was a selfish shit

who couldn't care less about the direction of this country. DK has a passion about it, and will inevitably support the eventual candidate for the democratic party. How exactly does he drag down liberal candidates?

[chimpymustgo]

13. Carville just promoted Sen. Graham bigtime

Said he's a candidate more people should take a look at. He's hammering * on 9/11, is thoughfully making his case - and unlike * - he's won Florida.

[Tinoire]

15. Is that what he compared him to? That's really tacky.

Carville, one of your strong admirers is becoming disgusted with you. You need to shut up. Go shoot some gator or something and chill out a little before you're totally discredited.

[Tinoire]

27. I think this is more based on Kucinich wanting to do things

like cut the Pentagon budget and weaken corporate involvement in our government.

Your point that critiquing him for his performance on Hardball is fine- the rest is despicable and only makes Carville look petty.

[Nederland]

10. I think

...that Carville probably watched Kucinich in a couple of his national news appearances and figured out that he doesn't have a chance. Personally, I feel this is Kucinich's fatal flaw more than his leftward positions. He simply doesn't have what it takes to win a national election.

[Fixated]

19. ...

Oh man. First, Carville probably knows a lot about DK. It's not smart politically to support him. Carville is no idiot.

[rasputin1952]

48. My thoughts exactly...

Carville has been around a long time, and can get a feel for who would be best to tackle the slug.

If Clark jumps into the fray though, all bets are off, he'd beat the slug handily.

[Adjoran]

22. or maybe Carville read

the original (2001) version of Kucinich's Space Weapon Ban bill (HR 2977) which included prohibitions against:

* chemtrails
* particle beams
* electromagnetic radiation
* plasmas
* extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation
* or mind-control technologies

These items were omitted from the reformulated bill, reintroduced in 2002 as HR 3616. Some of the conspiracy websites think "someone had a chat" with Denis.

Being on the left politically doesn't mean a candidate can't win. Being perceived as wacky does.

Carville's whole career has been trying to WIN elections. Like him or not, he knows what wins ("It's the economy, Stupid!") and what loses.

[wheresthemind]

33. I don't get it?

Do YOU know what the Pentagon and CIA are working on or HAVE right now??

and who do you think would be in a better posistion to know... YOU or a US Congressmen?

[juajen]

23. Frankly, both Carville and Begala have disappointed me

Yes, I do support Dennis Kucinich. I know he is progressive to the max, but this is what we hammer on here at DU over and over again. I guess it's somewhat different when we need to "put our money where our mouth is." His candidacy is even more important when you put his ideals alongside the thread I was just on "How to defeat the right wing idealogues in 3 minutes" (I think that was the title)

If you haven't read this thread, please do so. The article posted there coined a new phrase for the pugs, "Cheap Labor Conservatives". I hope it resonates throughout DU and elsewhere. This thread should give most people who read it a new appreciation of DENNIS KUCINICH. It should also make us wonder why so many so-called dems keep calling him unelectable or worse. The "savior" came and nobody recognized him!

:think: :think: :think: :think: :think: :think: :think:

[unfrigginreal]

17. Carville just spoke the truth

He was responding to Tucker's claims that Kucinich and Trificant are "leading" Democratic Prez Candidates.

Carville started his statement with "I support all of the Democratic candidates" and then went on to lambast Tucker for not talking about anything serious while he's talking about Iraq and the hidden pages of the 911 report.

If anybody here really thinks that Kucinich is a leading candidate I'd find that surprising.

[Pepperbelly]

18. I was for Kucinich until he lost me because ...

of his interview with Tweety. Tweety manhandled him over abortion and his flipflops. Neither of those bother me much but what does bother me is how easily Tweety had his way with him. That kinda freaked me out.

[Clete]

24. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

I stopped watching Tweety very much because of his attacks and his refusal to allow his guests to talk if he didn't agree with them. I didn't see the Kucinich interview but maybe he was too much of a gentleman to sink to Matthew's level.

I think most of the candidates should avoid jerks like Tweety unless they have a lot experience backing down pitbull talk show hosts.

[Pepperbelly]

28. I understand what you are saying BUT ...

the problems it raises with me regard how strong his personality actually is. I mean, I actually think that the Prez should be, if not intimidating, then certainly unable to be simply bowled over by a twerp like Tweety. I know that is what Tweety did but Kucinich should have known just as clearly as me and should have been very sharply prepared. He wasn't and that said a lot to me.

[Desertrose]

32. I did see it...and it wasn't easy

to watch....
Tweety was an arrogant asshole and Dennis was remaining calm in the face of it...plus
this is a big PLUS.....

They took the camera off him & turned off his mic...how can anyone say anything when they are not given an opportunity....??

DK is not the agressive type which makes him the man he is...I want a pres to stay calm & not rise to the bait- especially the cheap crap Tweety was throwing at him...c'mon....

:hi:
Hope ya reconsider Pepperbelly...you know he's still the best candidate...:)

Peace DR

[whoYaCallinAlib]

26. James is THE best spokesman for democratic issues.

If he doesn't like your guy, I'm guessing it's because James doesn't consider him a realistic contender. Otherwise, James would support him.

[throwthebumsout]

30. Gee, I don't tend to lose respect for truthtellers

I tend NOT to lose respect for savvy politicos who are only speaking the truth. Dennis Kucinich doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of defeating George Bush. The sooner he leaves the race and throws his support to a candidate who DOES have a chance, the better.

[Desertrose]

38. your opinion...are you psychic too?

....I appreciate your "prediction"...
I don't buy it however....

also don't buy your advice of throwing his support to another candidate...which one do you see as the winner so he could get it right?

Peace
DR

[blm]

34. EEK...what 's gotten into him?

Does the DNC plan to bump off the second tier candidates before the primaries? If anyone has a reason to stay and be heard, it's Dennis Kucinich.

[bpilgrim]

37. that's what he gets paid the BIG bucks for

:evilgrin:

peace

[Armstead]

40. Scared Centrists

These centrists like Carville who are determined to wring evwery ounce of true liberalism out of the Democratic Party are the best friends the Greens ever had.

Carville doesn't have to give any ringing endorsements, and he's entitled to like who he wants.

But this behavior from someone in his position is deplorable. Carlson bashed Kucinich -- and by extension all of the views he represents -- as some martian.

Carville could have said something like "The Democrats trea a biog tent, and we'll see who gets the nomination" or somethoing neutral like that. But noooooooo...He had to join Carlson in "liberal bashing."

He also subtly bashed Dean, in his praie og Graham.

[Fixated]

42. ...

Those centrists are the only reason we had 8 great years in the White House. You DO recall how important Begala and Carville were to Clinton, right?

[Elidor]

43. The ONLY reason? Yeah, right

Only centrists voted for Clinton...uh-huh, yeah.

[haymaker]

51. Save your fingers.

The DLC lovers really think that they have all the answers. The only thing is, they got em from peeking onto the Repukes notes.

They should all just vote repuke and get it over with. Just go ahead and flush it all down.

[poskonig]

44. Corporal Cueball is somewhat innocent.

Carville did not say anything factually inaccurate, though his flimsy praise of Graham seemed to have an ulterior motive.

[Rowdyboy]

45. Tucker Carlson like to call Sharpton, Kucinich...

and Moseley-Braun "leading Democratic candidates". Its his tacky way of calling all Democrats left-wingers. Carville reminded him that we have other, more electable candidates. Comparing him to Trafficant was tacky, but when James gets angry he says more than he should. Other than bringing up Trafficant, I see nothing wrong in his comments. Controversial? Sure, that's why they pay him. Wrong? No, unfortunately America isn't ready for President Kucinich.

And that, of course, is just my opinion.

[grasswire]

57. I guess most Dems...

....didn't watch C-span today when Bill Clinton's pollster gave his detailed report of an in-depth polling done last week. I was personally quite dismayed by the details. The demographics just aren't there to elect a true liberal unless public opinion is changed dramatically before election time in certain sectors.

Only 30 percent of DEMOCRATS consider themselves liberal. And 33 percent of Americans are registered Democrats. This means that a liberal candidate's true base is only about 10 percent of the electorate.

The bottom line of the pollster's report is that the definition of a winning Dem is someone perceived as a moderate with the ability to neutralize GOP national security advantage.

(Gee, that sounds like Wesley Clark)

I'm disheartened by the numbers, being a liberal.

[jiacinto]

47. He's telling the truth

Kucnich isn't going to win the nomination.

[bpilgrim]

50. by comparing him to Traficant

and you agree wit dat?

figures...

peace

[haymaker]

52. The great Swami

is just staying on message.

[jiacinto]

59. Kuchinich is better than Traficant

But he still won't win the nomination.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. No Shit

[Cha]

49. They (Carville and his bunch) just do that for entertainment

value or something! It's disgusting!! traficant? ...traficant should be compared to bush if anyone.

[jenk]

54. Kucinich isn't a legit candidate

you kucinich backers are getting your hopes u, we all love the little guy but he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell.

[Terwilliger]

55. just as legitimate as any other candidate

why would you say he isn't legitimate?

[jenk]

60. no chance at winning

and he knows it, he's down with Sharpton and Braun in the polls.