PETA Protest!

[alwynsw]

I'm seriously considering a protest against PETA. Their tactics are getting more obscene by the day. Reference:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=935746#935788

http://www.furisdead.com/mommykills300.pdf

I'm thinking about something along the lines of a "grill in" as close to PETA's national headquarters as we can obtain a permit to do so. The only requirement would be for attendees to agree to a big tailgate party and the MUST cook some form of meat or meat product on their grills.

No costumes, no disorderly conduct, no fake animals on the grills. Maybe a few "Animals can be Food" or "Meat is Good" signs, or something of that type. Just come on with your grill and burgers, hot dogs, steaks - whatever. Wear you usual cookout or tailgate party garb. In short, we just have a nice big peaceful picnic - eating meat.

What do you think?

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[alwynsw]

3. I did not request personal insults.

I requested opinions of a proposed protest.

I thank you for your opinion of the protest. I choose to discount your insult on the basis that you may have misread my post.

[thebigidea]

4. so where's the personal insult?

hit alert and hit the mods decide.

"I choose to discount your insult on the basis that you may have misread my post."

What did I misread?

Say, we kinda have a problem with a monstrous President and his evil administration - wouldn't it be more, uh - I dunno, BETTER - to concentrate on that right now?

[alwynsw]

15. The impication that I either am or would willingly be as shill

for any group:

<b>maybe you can tie in your MEAT IS GOOD thing with local butcher shops and fast food, get corporate underwriting and free catering. Then you can form some shill frontgroup for the meat industry, CONCERNED CITIZENS FOR TAKING INDUSTRY HANDOUTS.<b>

I'm simply tired of PETA using such underhanded tactics to co-opt children through fear. If you clicked the links, you'll notice the poster is designed to both create an aversion to animal products and to alienate children from their parents. That tacitc is heinous.

There are arguably larger issues. I would argue that there are larger issues - until I consider that these folks are striking at the very core of humanity by attempting to create division within families.

[thebigidea]

18. so you're saying that MEAT IS GOOD isn't a banal commercial phrase?

like something out of a bad commercial for meat?

aw, c'mon. Hit alert, I'm obviously making terrible, horrible HORRIBLE insinuations.

[alwynsw]

25. I'm stating my personal opinion of foodstuffs

by saying that meat is good.

Naughty - you're taunting - but I'm no rat.

[thebigidea]

26. and I'm stating my personal opinion that you're stuffed with inedible food

an undercooked potato, perhaps?
a bad spot of mustard?

In any case, I wish you all the best in your brave crusade against those awful monsters at PETA, who have single-handedly terrorized the world for decades.

Making the world safe for eating meat is a brave, noble task. We could use more patriots like yourself.

[alwynsw]

29. Inedible? Perhaps with some obscuremedical condition.

If any animal can eat it, it therefore follows that it is edible.

[Blue_Chill]

55. My dog eats shit from time to time

You want some? :D

After all man if any animal eats......oh never mind.

[prisonerseven]

59. You are what you eat

My sympathy goes out to your dog.

[thebigidea]

61. my sympathy goes out only to Conrad Baine

and the rest of the cast of "Diff'rent Strokes"

[DoNotRefill]

66. Uh huh....

and carrots don't eat shit?

[alwynsw]

103. Touche'!

Well placed thrust, DNR.

[bicentennial_baby]

6. LOL

"MEAT IS GOOD"....exactly

[thebigidea]

53. meat is BEYOND GOOD - its grrrrrrrrrrreat.

[jonnyblitz]

33. LOL

:thumbsup:

[prisonerseven]

57. Putting peta in the ranks of the ACLU or NAACP is disgusting

Two of these three groups are for the betterment of people. The lone remainder is soaking well meaning people out of their money and being make suckers.

[thebigidea]

58. its not only disgusting, its OBSCENE

sickened, I am.

OFFENDED.

SHOCKED.

[Eric J in MN]

78. eating meat affects people

Most directly, by causing heart attacks.

Also because it takes so much more energy to grow soybeans to feed to pigs and eat the pigs then just to eat the soybeans. It's a huge waste of oil and water.

"Pollution
The meat industry causes more water pollution in the United States than all other industries combined because the animals raised for food in the U.S. produce 130 times more excrement than the human population. Every year, factory farms dump 220 billion gallons of animal waste onto farmland and into our waterways.

Land
Twenty times more land is required to feed a meat-eater than to feed a pure vegetarian.

Water
Raising animals for food consumes more than half of all the water used in the United States. It takes 2,500 gallons of water to produce a pound of meat, but only 25 gallons to produce a pound of wheat."

http://www.peta.org/feat/earthday/nothing_green.html

[prisonerseven]

117. dang! I had better put this cheeseburger down before I destroy the world

Nah...I have the munchies right now and the world can wait...

[jukes]

2. Sorry,

I've got better fights to fight.

[Loonman]

5. I second your proposal

Vigorously.

[forgethell]

7. I'm in

I never did like the PETA tactics or philosophy. Think of all the medicines that have been developed through animal research? where would AIDS vaccines be without animal research?

If people didn't eat them, who would? Other animals, of course. It's prime rib for me, this year.

I am not trying to minimize the suffering that is inflicted on animals, but perhaps regulation rather than prohibition is the answer.

Merry Christmas

[ButterflyBlood]

60. the PETA president once said

even if animal testing would find a cure for AIDS, they'd oppose it. so i doubt the scientific breakthrough matters to them.

[DoNotRefill]

67. there's a reason you don't like PETA's tactics....

it's because they're consciously modeling themselves after Operation Rescue.

Same tactics, different issue.

[forgethell]

116. So?

doesn't make it right. And Operation Rescue is not the issue here.

[Jen72]

122. And what about the medicines for animals....

would PETA suggest not treating an animal because the cure may have been tested on animals to be developed?

I agree with regulation, I like meat and I loathe the tactics that PETA use to target children. A religious organization would never get away with that.

[Mis-an-thrope1111]

8. what are you protesting?

do you even know?

"meat is good"?

what a joke

that isn't a protest its a farce

[thebigidea]

9. 3 on board so far... we gotta boost those numbers

maybe a recruitment drive should be extended to freerepublic and lucianne.com - make this a true bipartisan effort to stop those bastards at PETA.

Get Orrin Hatch on line two, stat!

[alwynsw]

23. Check the links provided.

They're just a part.

[morgan2]

10. hah that'd be hilarious

sitting there cooking piles and piles of veal.. Then just throwing half of it out.

[thebigidea]

17. it would be an incredible sight

7 sad looking sacks of flesh out in the cold, huddled around a coleman grill.

We need a theme song!

MEAT IS GOOD, MEAT IS GOOD
should we all eat it?
YOU BET WE SHOULD!
should we all boil it?
YOU BET WE COULD!


I get kinda limp
without my shrimp
a steak beats a salad
cannibalism?
Why, sure its valid!

[alwynsw]

27. The "Meat Eaters Dr. Seuss"?

Too funny! I LOVE IT!

[thebigidea]

35. second verse, same as the first

kinda hard to think of you highly
when your opinions match O'Reilly
PETA is far from our evil nemesis
forget all dem veggie supremacists.

[Blue_Chill]

54. So you're a big veal lover eh?

Love or Hate PETA that is just sick. You basically are saying "yes there is nothing wrong with torturing a animal in the cruelest way possible". So much for bleeding heart librals eh?

[SahaleArm]

63. The other other white meat... ;)

[alwynsw]

72. YUM! Do I have to eat in? Or can I get a carry out?

[Blue_Chill]

73. Nice to know

says a lot about people when they support shit like this.

[bicentennial_baby]

79. Yep, I hear you

Jeebus...I did'nt even eat that shit before I became a vegetarian because it's so wrong, in every sense. I wonder how some people would feel to be ripped from their mothers, chained in a tiny box and starved until their cruel, premature death. Pardon my french, but that's fucking disgusting and morally reprehensible, imho. :puke:

[libview]

120. mmmmmmm.....

taste like chicken.

[ermoore]

11. I like it.

And if I lived anywhere near there I might join you, but instead I'll be there with you in spirit, sort of (cause most likely I'll have forgotten about it by then). PETA is really getting ridiculous. And besides, I imagine that these are the type of people that will be really fun to piss off. Best of luck with this.

And pay no attention to the naysayers. Always with the naysaying. Them in their ivory towers!

[blondeatlast]

They are, indeed, much fun to piss off.

and it usually isn't difficult.

I agree with stopping animal cruelty, but I'm sitting here now because of pork and beef by-products that kept me alive for about 30 years, until recombinant DNA was introduced.

I like people, too.

[thebigidea]

71. I owe my very survival to Oscar Meyer

[Terwilliger]

12. "Meat is Good -- Eat Your Neighbor"

that's a great idea for a sign!

[BiggJawn]

123. She loves it!

"Moaning Mona" should be a legend in her own time...

[theoceansnerves]

13. wow

"we just have a nice big peaceful picnic - eating meat."

that's one hell of a protest, considering 99% of the population does that every day.

this has got to be the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen posted here.

[alwynsw]

19. My point exactly.

Hopefully, the "event" would be upwind of 501 Front St. (appropriate address given PETA's penchant for funding ALF and the "ALF Defense Fund")so that these whackos could smell the "event' as well as observe it.

[ParanoidPat]

36. You think THIS is the most rediculous thing.....

.....you've ever seen posted here? LOL! You obviously haven't been here long. :evilgrin:

Have you read any of the primary candidate threads? :shrug:

On Edit: Forgot to add,

FREE THE CAPTIVE YAKS IN THE LOUNGE!

[blondeatlast]

70. Gun Dungeon, I/P . . .

[Kolesar]

14. What do I think? PETA would love more publicity

Don't you see? That is just what they want you to do.
edit:add the love

[ParanoidPat]

16. Bring BIG signs that say......

Proud Member of PETA!

People Eatin' Them Animals!

Watch their heads explode! :evilgrin:

[theoceansnerves]

20. i like your avatar

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

"There will come a day when men such as myself will view the slaughter of innocent creatures as as horrible a crime as the murder of his fellow man."

-albert einstein

[trapper914]

45. That's Why Einstein Was a Mathematician and Physicist

eom

[ParanoidPat]

50. No man is at all hours wise!

:evilgrin:

[alwynsw]

21. I love it!

[thebigidea]

24. great idea! nothing moves people like a decade old joke!

especially a bad one - MEAT IS GOOD MEAT IS GOOD!

THE TIDE IS TURNING!
THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING!

Now somebody hand me a fuckin' sausage combo sammich before I explode!

[Skidmore]

31. And throw in something about

being members of PEV-People for the Ethical treatment of Vegetation.

[morgan2]

22. how about

you join peta and show up to meetings eating McDonalds all the time.

[thebigidea]

28. that'll be sure to win friends and influence people!

a better idea would be to fall asleep face down in a chicken pot pie, that way you DREAM about meat.

[jonnyblitz]

30. I would rather protest right wing groups.

sometimes I think I stumbled into the wrong chat room.

[prisonerseven]

62. Chat room?

Doh! I thought this place was an HTTP based web forum. Now I'm really lost.

[thebigidea]

65. LITERAL MAN! Correcting minor, utterly trivial flotsam!

[DoNotRefill]

68. PETA....Operation Rescue.....

same tactics, different issue.

[dusty64]

81. Me too! Nothing

like an animal thread to make me think maybe there is little difference between "us" and "them". Many who consider themselves "progressives" love nothing more than to belittle those of us who care deeply about innocent lives, and yes I'm talking about animals. They claim they resent animal rights people "cramming" their agenda down their throats, yet we are expected to tolerate their shit and their lifestyle choices crammed down ours day after day and ruining the Planet in the process. Those who in particular revel in the suffering of helpless animals, veal calves in particular, have NOTHING in common with me and obviously do NOT share my values at all. Sick, disgusting, and heartless. Like I said, nothing like a PETA thread to even knock the 9/11 commission story off our forum's front page. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother with this place. :crazy: :eyes: :puke: :grr:

[theoceansnerves]

87. oh my goodness

my sentiments EXACTLY. i guess i am sorely mistaken for thinking this is truly progressive forum, then again i guess it is "democratic" underground and not "progressive" underground. the comments made in this and the other current peta thread are truly heartbreaking for me. people wanting to organize a protest against peta is something i would expect to see on a rabid right wing site, sponsered by the cattleman's beef association, not here on DU. i'm not saying everyone here should be an ardent animal rights activist, but i would hope that these so called "progressives" and "liberals" would at the very least by sympathetic to our cause, to understand we are fighting for defenseless lives, for those less fortunate, which supposedly is the mantra of a progressive liberal. instead we get tired old "mmm steak" jokes and a belitting of our values. how many damn burger joint ads will i see today, how many commercials for pork, how many "beef, it's whats for dinner"? how many animal rights commercials will i see? how many "go vegetarian" commercials? NONE. yeah, we really are opressors here, we really are, as you said, cramming our agendas down their throats.

[trixie]

126. "Innocent lives" aren't children innocent lives?

Give me a break. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You claim to care about innocent lives then are defending the harrassment of children. Not just harrassment but actual terror. You must realize that you terrorize these children when you do stuff like the nutcracker. Obviously inclusion of the next generation is not on the agenda. How many future animal rights people are now completely terrified of and turned off by the tactics taken. The survival of any group must include BRAINS. Someone did not take time to think through the results of this ploy. Boy, some marketing scheme. Ha ha ha.

[curse10]

32. that's helpful

:eyes:

and it's not original. been done. it's about as stale as "people eating tasty animals"

[MasonJar]

34. I think that PETA is doing what it can to protect the unprotected.

I wish they had been at the infamous Cheney shoot.

[Heyo]

46. count me in...

...to the People Eating Tasty Animals "grill-in".

-Heyo

[thebigidea]

48. count me in for the stale RW joke-a-thon!

[Piperay]

92. People eating TOXIC animals is

more likely. :puke:

[DoNotRefill]

69. Or the Kerry shoot....

[ermoore]

37. Ooohh!

Hey we could bring stuffed animals (like toys, not dead animals) and have a tea party (with steaks). And we could burn the stuffed animals (and our step-children who would also be there) with cigarette butts. And maybe play a fun game of touch football using a pink bunny rabbit doll as the ball.

Ok, I've probably gone too far, so keep in mind that I would never harm a toy animal (well, not again, this one time in band camp this asshole had a lucky stuffed (toy) parrot attached to his base drum, and well, anyways, the band director caught my friends and I burning it with a soldering (sp?) iron. Good times).

[thebigidea]

38. better yet, we play dodge ball with big chunks of rotting meat

[ermoore]

39. That would be funny too.

And it would probably be a good game, cause no one wants to get hit with a big chunk of rotting meat. And it's not wasteful cause the meat's already gone bad. We could play a game of baseball using a rabbit's head and leg of lamb for the ball and bat, but that might be a little too far . . . unless we ate them later! Hell yeah!

[thebigidea]

40. we can show how multipurpose meat is by using it for MANY THINGS

we can build temporary homeless shelters using only stale lamb chops...

we could show how veal can be used instead of painkillers - if you're in horrible agony, what's better than a mouthful of veal?

[ermoore]

44. I'm not so sure about that.

But if any 'pubs show up we could punch them in the eye and then give them some cold steak to reduce the swelling. That's multipurpose.
Hey, isn't the NRA "nonpartisan"! So maybe they could join us and show people the best way to shoot and clean deer (and burglars)!

Man this could be so much fun.

[prisonerseven]

64. what's better than a mouthful of veal?

Nothing...more than a mouthful is wasteful.

[Forkboy]

41. Great idea!

I'm gonna cook my neighbor's dog.

[thebigidea]

42. that's the spirit, Forkboy! MEAT IS GOOD, MEAT IS GOOD!

then make a mobile for your baby out of the dog's bones...

then KILL the baby, I suggest poking your finger through the soft spot on its skull... tender, tender meat. Marinate, serves 4.

[Forkboy]

43. That's right

Why eat only the accepted meats? I think are cows are cooler than dogs so I'm eating them instead!

[curse10]

47. I'm all for eating kittens

the cuter the better!

[thebigidea]

49. oh yeah?

[curse10]

51. LoL

:-)

[thebigidea]

52. no kittens were eaten during the making of this ad

ok, just one. But it was DELICIOUS with cayenne pepper.

[Throckmorton]

105. Yuck, its eyes arn't open yet, its not ripe yet.

Its unsafe to eat unripe kittens. You have to wait for their eyes to open up first.

[mitchum]

84. Speaking of decades old jokes...

you do know that's just a variation on Ed Bluestone's old National Lampoon cover gag, don't you?

[thebigidea]

89. Gosh, really? No kidding. Gosh. No, really? Gosh. Gosh.

Let me know when you have any other Astounding Discoveries to lob at me.

I think I recycle Groucho Marx jokes too, you better alert his corpse.

[mitchum]

95. Well. I can tell that you're an avant garde-ist because...

you traffic in the same old avant garde images and concepts. A wise man once said, "Everything changes but the avant garde", but I don't think that he meant it like that

[thebigidea]

106. avant garde? The National Lampoon is avant garde? Groucho is avant?

Gee, I thought I was just a comedian. You know, those fools that always shamelessly lift, recycle, and just out and out steal.

If you have some original concepts, feel free to send them over so I can steal them. Failing that, provide links for your own groundbreaking work that never references anything done by anyone, EVER. I'm sure a staggering genius like yourself must have acres of material that puts my sad sandbox creations to shame, material that touches the heart, makes the brain think, and the mouth water.

I look forward to your upcoming revolution of ideas.

"Copyright infringement is your best entertainment value." - Negativland

[mitchum]

110. Actually Groucho was very avant. Antonin Artaud was a huge fan

Look, I didn't mean for this to turn into a pissing match. You slammed a poster above for recycling a joke (as if it were a capital offense)

[thebigidea]

113. uh huh. I'm sure you intended it in a non-urinary way.

And I meant "recycling Groucho lines" as being avant, since you were the one who brought that label out. Of course the Marxes were waaaay ahead of their time, and damn hilarious to boot.

I may have groaned at a old joke, but I didn't attempt to dismiss the poster's entire life as outmoded, useless, and overdone.

Furthermore, I'm rubber and you're glue.

[RebelOne]

56. Sick!!!!!

[Forkboy]

125. Why?

It's just a dog :shrug:

[laruemtt]

74. count this vegan

out! keep eating your carcuses - enjoy.

[Djinn]

75. not buying into the PETA argument

Because it's all been said - but a few thoughts popped up while reading this and the other PETA thread.............

I only eat organic meat and animal products. I don't have an ethical problem with eating an animal but do have one with unneccesary cruelty - and the plain fact is that commercial farming is by it's very nature cruel. That the fur trade is cruel also I think is beyond argument. Visit a piggery and see the welts on the sows, hang out at a battery farm, go to an abbatoir and SEE how animals are killed it might turn you veggie - if you can see all that AND still be happy eating commercial (or any) meat then FINE - but if you refuse to even look at it or allow your child too look (as in this case) then you really shouldn't be eating/wearing it.

There seems to be a fair bit of dellusion here

"Hey we could bring stuffed animals (like toys, not dead animals)"

you're willing to have a big dead animal cook out but only if they look like steaks not actual animals??

"Most rational, thinking, people are outraged by animal cruelty, and will never willingly cause harm or cause an animal to come to harm"

it's very hard to eat something or wear it's skin without the animal coming to harm

Anyway - I think everyone has the right to eat or wear an animal but PETA has the right to protest...and seriously wouldn't most responsible parents prevent a complete stranger walking up and giving something to their kid??

[RebelOne]

94. And count this vegetarian out also.

[Eric J in MN]

76. There are Burger King and McDonald's commercials on tv all the time,

There are Burger King, McDonald's and other commercials for meat on tv all the time.

For a different point of view, watch this online video:
http://www.meetyourmeat.com/

[Sugarbleus]

77. Don't know what brought this one but...

I agree with you alw. I think PETA is the most ridiculous organization I've ever heard of.

I adore animals. I think part of their message on the inhumane treatment of lab animals is valid. BUT the rest is crap! It's a neopagan, pantheist org. and that's not me. PEOPLE FIRST. I like what greenpeace did with the sea creatures...but PETA? Throwing blood on people? Boycotting rodeos? (maybe circus' is cool) These people ought to be in jail or at least put out of business. They are insane.

I'm in. Wheres the grill in?

edit: one more thing. I don't have any problem with people being vegetarian--we should eat more vegies. That's a different thing altogether.

[Eric J in MN]

80. Please visit a PETA webpage to learn more about what they do.

http://www.peta.org/about/victories.asp

[DoNotRefill]

85. Don't forget to check this PETA campaign out too...

http://www.furisdead.com/mommykills300.pdf

Just the thing to give to 4 year olds....

[trixie]

127. just went and looked - scary

The site reminds me of those right wing Christian pro lifers site.

very scary!!!!!

[reachout]

97. good lord

"These people ought to be in jail or at least put out of business."

Yes, let's just throw people exercising their right to express their views in JAIL because you don't agree with them.

So, what exactly is the difference between you and the three men in your avatar? Oh that's right, you're a Democrat...so that makes it all better.

[DoNotRefill]

101. Your ability to exercise your rights ends when you infringe on my rights.

Attacking people with paint, and terrorizing children, are NOT protected rights.

It's pretty simple. You can protest as much as you want as long as you do so in a legal manner. Once you start breaking the law, however, your right to protest ENDS.

[reachout]

102. "Once you start breaking the law, however, your right to protest ENDS."

Nope, protesting doesn't really begin until you break the law. Otherwise it's just a parade. I've been booked for acts of civil disobedience and probably will be again.

[DoNotRefill]

107. That's good to know.

Why don't people use that as a legal defense? "I broke the law, but it's OK, because I was exercising my right to protest when I did it!"

Result from the bench?

"Enjoy your cell".

[DoNotRefill]

111. Oh, BTW....

what good does getting arrested do?

There was a fair bit of civil disobedience going on prior to the kickoff of Gulf War, Part Deux. Folks getting arrested, trying to infiltrate and sabotage bases, et cetera. Did it delay the start of the war by even 20 minutes? Nope...

[incapsulated]

82. Although I oppose

what PETA is doing, and has done for a while, there is no way I'm getting on board with this little reactionary nonsense.

Not everyone who is for animal rights is an asshole.

Nor is everyone who eats meat, despite appearances to the contrary...

[mitchum]

83. Don't do it! Ingrid and company are just shrill attention junkies

Like a friend said, "They don't love animals, they just hate people"

[Eric J in MN]

86. Attention for PETA means attention for their cause.

They're supposed to be getting a message out.

Some groups complain that they had a protest with thousands of people and there was almost no press coverage.

PETA gets press coverage with clever campaigns, like five people walking onstage with anti-fur signs during a Victoria's Secret show. That clip was played over and over on the news.

The five people were arrested, but it's better than a protest in which a hundred people are arrested.

[nayt]

88. i'd be in

depending where peta's national headquarters are...

[PacificWind]

90. PETA is nothing but a bunch

of idiotic thugs. They are one shade short of being a terrorist organization.

If any of those sick pukes tried to hand those fliers to my child I would make a citizen arrest for child abuse.

They are such a disgusting group.

... PETA used the 9/11 terrorist attacks to promote their own agenda.

... "The Holocaust on Your Plate" -- "PETA has decided that the killing of chickens for food is equivalent to the Jewish Holocaust in both its scope and cruelty."

... "A new ad campaign by an animal rights group compares the murder of women on a B.C. pig farm to the treatment of animals killed for food. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) says the full-page ad is a legitimate campaign, but the families of the murdered women say it's disgusting. The ad featured a series of headlines describing the B.C. murder victims, who were drugged and slaughtered, their heads sawed off and their body parts refrigerated."

... "PETA has been accused of funneling money to terrorist organizations (ELF)."

And people support these freaks

[Piperay]

91. Some people make the mistake of

hating the message because of the messenger, which is what you are doing. Just because PETA is over the top doesn't make the things they are against good, for gosh sakes! :argh:

[MarkTwain]

93. Suggestion: Get A Life !

PETA is a valuable and highly moral organization attempting to deal with one of the last vestiges of human arrogance, ignorance, and prejudice.

PETA, with its efforts to save the lives and prevent the suffering of animals is also, directly, attempting to save your own stupid meat-eating ass from the health consequences of doing so.

Amazing how the compassionate, ever class-conscious, progressive attitudes which pertain to oh so many issues and matters here at DU are not, likewise, extended to other species.

Sort of reminds me of the GOP and the hypocrisy inherent in their marketing of their own presumed "compassionate" conservatism.

DU - "compassionate" progressives - unless, that is, if it applies to animals and our own selfish and outdated need to exploit them and their pain and suffering!

[Kolesar]

96. such as the hormones, antibiotics and cement dust fed to hamburger cows

I cannot believe that diners really want food that is produced in that manner.

Cement dust?!

[absyntheNsugar]

115. Simple - eat real beef!

Atkins Ranch sells hormone-free, antibiotic-free, vegetarian fed beef.

The stuff you get in grocery stores is scary, and they treat the meat packers worse than sweatshop labor!

[alwynsw]

98. Suggestion: Get a clue

ALF financial support and morality...

I could go on, but 'nuff said.

[Shrek]

99. For anyone joining this protest

Be sure to order your picnic meats from these guys.

[Butterflies]

100. stupid protest idea

Anyone who would go to that "grill in" is an a-hole in my opinion. :thumbsdown:

[MadHound]

104. Just remember while you're out there burning dead cow flesh

That because of efforts of groups like PETA and others, the flesh you are eating is less likely to contain diseases like Mad Cow, and it is also tastier.

Darn those PETA folks, can't get away from them even by eating meat;)

[Skip Intro]

108. Just grab a couple of stray dogs or cats -

Chase 'em down, corner 'em, club 'em to death (it'll tenderize 'em at the same time and you get to watch them die). Then toss 'em on a grill. Don't forget to save that oh so soft fur to make some hat or something out of.

Don't eat dog or cat? Why not?

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[midnight armadillo]

112. Cats are too stringy

Outdoor ones tend to be gamey too.

Dog on the other hand....hmmm...nothing like fresh country fried mastiff steaks.

So, what's your point? Food choices are culturally driven, and household pets are generally not considered food. Rabbit being the exception, although the rabbits for food are typically not the same breeds as rabbits for pets. As for making a hat from the fur - if you're going to eat 'em, you might as well put the other useful bits of the carcass to good use.

I fail to see what is so cruel about eating animals. Humans are omnivores, and we're evolved to eat high-calorie dense foods, like other animals. Animals eat each other. Humans are animals. Get over it. This by no means excuses animal cruelty, factory farming, US-style slaughterhouses, antibiotics for growth, RBGH, etc. To quote George Carlin, if God didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

[SmokingLoon]

109. There is room for all God's creatures...

...preferably right next to the mashed potatoes!

[absyntheNsugar]

114. Better yet....let them know the Left wants nothing to do with them

Show up with Banners like "Democrats against PETA" and "Greens for meat"

That way the vegetarian bretheren could join the protest :)

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118. so, did anybody go?

If so, what happened?

[bitchkitty]

119. I think it's a tacky idea and

that your energy would be better served fighting the chimp instead of other progressives.

I don't know why meat eaters get so het up about PETA, kind of like the way religious white guys are so obsessed with homosexuals. Their tactics can be bizarre and usually abrasive but I think they've done more for humankind than any meat producer, or anyone who rails against their tactics.

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121. Because...

as the saying goes, "shit splatters".

Their bizarre and abrasive tactics make the rest of us look like raving loonies too. It's guilt by association, and I'm sick of getting the rap for PETA's stupidity.

Same deal with groups like the CPUSA. Yes, they're progressive. Yes, they damage the rest of the progressive movement in the minds of the vast majority of the people. Yes, those now irritated people represent votes that we NEED.

The idiot fringe shouldn't be encouraged, there's too much stuff going on for us to have our mainstream message destroyed by such far-left fringe idiocy.

Abusing animals: Bad.
Traumatizing children as a publicity stunt: even worse.

There are better ways to get votes and defeat Bush than jabbing sharp sticks into the eyes of the vast majority of voters, as this most recent PETA campaign does. Poking "regular" people HURTS us more than it hurts the right. The Republicans understand this, which is why they haven't put forward a Constitutional ban on all abortion. If we don't make this same kind of realization, we're condemning ourself to minority status in perpetuity, with the attendant destruction of the manistream values we all hold so dear.

[MadHound]

124. Well then, by your logic

We shouldn't be associating with Democrats, especially the ones in Congress, since "shit splatters", the Dems in Congress wind up making us all look as spineless as they are.

PETA does good work, results that even benefit us carnivores. And every society needs groups that are out on the fringe, if everybody was centerists, main stream organizations nothing would get done and we would wind up a society of mush.

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133. The time to be pushing lunatic fringe ideas...

is when you're IN power. If you do it while OUT of power, all you do is guarantee that you'll NEVER be in power.

All PETA does is help brand the left as being crazy with middle Americans. That helps the Republicans, not us.

[Kolesar]

128. crap

Your "guilt by association" arguement is just that--crap. PETA positions don't sully the Democratic party. PETA does not speak for the party. Were there "anti-fur" planks in the 2000 Democratic platform? Anti-hamburger? Milk sucks? How about anti-circus animals? No, I didn't think so.

Nobody gave you the power to speak for the entire Democratic party, so please, speak for yourself when referring to who is in a minority status in perpetuity.

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132. Do you deny....

that the Democratic Party is currently the minority in the Federal Government? Want to keep it that way? Then have the Democrats come out for PETA.

We're in a battle with the Republicans for the "hearts and minds" of the generally non-political "moderate" voters. Having the progressives (and remember, as viable parties go, the Democrats ARE the ONLY progressives) even REMOTELY connected with groups like PETA hurts us with "middle America".

It behooves us to put as much distance between the Democratic Party and PETA as possible. Why else do you think Kerry went on his well-publicized hunting trip?

Remember this?

[Kolesar]

134. Did you even read my last post?

where is this "remote connection with PETA" other than somewhere in your mind?

[wanderingbear]

129. PETA gos to far..

I support Animal Rights But sometimes PETA gost to far..

[MISSDem]

130. Meat eaters get mad at PETA because they

are trying to defend their actions (which they know are wrong). Furthermore, you can't say you love animals and at the same time kill one for your supper. Don't eat anything that runs from you when you try to catch it to eat.

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131. I have the same right to eat meat...

as a fox, racoon, or any other omnivorous animal. Once they outlaw those animals eating meat, I'll consider giving it up.