What will you do if Bush wins again?

[Fescue4u]

Seriously.

While I like to say that I'll leave the country, or something drastic, the reality is that I just cant do that.

Frankly, Im not sure what I'll do, I guess I'll just try to survive.

Im curious if anyone else has really thought about it. For me, its almost to painful to really contemplate.

[Cleita]

1. I have and a future with more Bush looks really scary to me.

eom

[beawr]

2. I'll invest in Halliburton fer sure

[Cocoa]

3. Bush is the worst president in history

worst presidents in history don't get re-elected.

[Toronto Ron]

46. Two words:

Nixon? Reagan?

[Bucky]

71. They're bad in different ways

Worse than Reagan? Yeh, I didn't think it'd be possible, but he is.

Worse than Nixon? It's a draw. Nixon did unbelieveable damage, but he did pretty okay overseas, save for Southeast Asia. Bush is bad in almost every single category except for marketing. At marketing he's a freakin' genius.

[JohnKleeb]

4. :(

:(
The fight goes on for me.

[soothsayer]

5. if that crook steals it again

we'll get by, if the NWO isn't in full effect with a world dictatorship

and if they ARE, we'll fight 'em tooth and nail

[XanaDUer]

6. Grit my teeth...

try to get the hell thru it, and work even harder next time.

The same way I get through most unpleasant things.

[malakai]

7. I've thought hard about leaving

the country, and if he does get 4 more years, I might be moving to Canada.

[onebigbadwulf]

8. I'm leaving the country before that can happen

:hi:

[citizen snips]

9. I will punch a hole in the wall.

I will be so mad that I will punch the wall as hard as I can.:mad:

[bluestateguy]

10. What I would do

Stay here and continue the struggle. The people who talk about leaving the country are cowards and wussies.

[LeahMira]

23. Not for any of us to say...

The people who talk about leaving the country are cowards and wussies.

Is that what you would have said to my grandpa who left Italy with his family just before Hitler moved in there?

It will be dangerous times and we need to not hide our heads in the sand. Let's hope we all make the right choices.

[Toronto Ron]

48. The people who might leave...

...might do so because they want their 2-year-old daughter to breathe clean air, have adequate health care, and learn in a strong public school system. (Not to mention they may already be Canadian citizens :) )

[Sapphocrat]

63. Save it, BSG...

...until you've walked a mile in another pair of moccasins.

If Bush gets in for four more years, and I don't leave, I may never see my better half again.

Don't be so quick to judge.

[JPace]

11. Throw up....

then turn off the t.v. for the next
four years so I don't have to see
his ugly face again.

[Clark Can WIN]

12. Cry, just like I did the first time

and then, during his innauguration I would press my bare butt to the TV screen again, just like I did the first time.

But hopefully I will be attending Clarks innauguration.

[beawr]

13. Again?????????

I don't know. I am finishing a Doctorate in Computer Science, maybe I can get a job overseas teaching, but probably not. What I will do is try to get a Democratic Congress in place to start prosecuting the criminals in this Administration.

However, I do believe that given the right candidate, we can win the Presidency back

[funkyflathead]

14. I'm not dead yet

I'll stay and help the Dems regain Congress or win in 2008.

No chicken stuff here. STAY AND FIGHT!

[joefree1]

15. Work harder! (What, you freepers think we're going away? Hah!)

The one blessing we Deaniacs have is the huge grassroots machine that isn't going away. The Dean machine and other organizations like Moveon.org have really just started.

Like eight years of Clinton, maybe we've got four more years of Bush before we take back everthing.

I wouldn't be happy about it but it won't slow me down one bit.


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(I'll post pics on Tuesday)

[curse10]

16. Walk around in a daze

for a few weeks then start the battle again

[blueraven95]

17. I don't know what I would do

except continue fighting the unjust actions of the government, and attempting to enact change.

Our country survived eight years of Reagan, whom I think is the worst president we ever had, with his voo-doo economics and lack of compassion for those people in our nation who need it most, not to mention Iran Contra and all the other scandals which have disappeared from public knowledge.

If our Constitution and our governmental system are not strong enough to survive twelve years of Bush then I suggest it is time to find a new system.

[JailBush]

18. I'll continue to fight.

Think about countries where resistance movements have fought from sanctuaries in cold, hard mountains and tropical forests for decades, against overwhelming odds. In comparison, I'm pampered. My weapons are the computer and the Internet. I choose my hours and my topics, do my research, put a webpage online, make a few posts on Democratic Underground, then take a break for lunch or soccer.

That isn't to say it's all fun and games. I was stomped by the system during the sixteen years I spent in public education. I was horrified by accelerating corruption and public apathy and stupidity long before George W. Bush forced other people to discover the same.

My enemies were local Democrats and my own union, not just right-wingers. I've never received any substantial support or even encouragement.

For me it's both a very personal battle and a battle for my students.

I don't know how much I'd put up with after another Bush "victory." If the FBI confiscated my computer or someone set off a bomb near my home, I might have second thoughts.

But I certainly wouldn't stop when I don't even have to live in a cave or carry a heavy backpack and weapons all day. If we are stuck with Bush for another four years, it's very possible that he'll lead us to total destruction - and we'll be needed to help rebuild our country.

Another of my major concerns is that a Democrat will beat Bush, only to continue his policies. Even if the best of the Democratic candidates is elected, I don't expect anything to be done that helps pubilc education. That's the loneliest battle of all.

[robcon]

19. I'll start working on the 2008 election of Hillary Clinton.

I'll volunteer for Hil as soon as she has an organization to volunteer for.

[XanaDUer]

21. That sounds good, too

I love Hillary.

[jokerman93]

20. Prepare for martial law in '05 -- '06

move to China

[silverlib]

27. Re-read "Advice to the Poor"

My husband has been out of work long enough to be one of the many dropped from the unemployment rolls on 12-21-03. He is a proud union member in the great "right to work" state of Texas. He may be able to get a nonunion job - I certainly hope so. Our insurance runs out in a month, too. I can't take another four years, but I didn't think we'd make it through the first four either. If we could get a Democrat in the White House, then the economy would get better, although I don't know if we can ever undo the damage that has been done with so many jobs and corporations moving overseas. If he could keep making the money he was making, which was not a lot, I could continue to support Democratic candidates for Congress. I did send a wimpy $25 to the guy in Houston running against DeLay. I really think I should be able to write that one off as a charitable donation.

Oh, well, enough for my despair on this topic. I need to get back to the posts that talk about WIN, WIN WIN and know that I and millions of others will vote for anybody but W.

[Piperay]

22. Seriously

in the long term if the repukes continue to control everything (which seems likely) I have begun looking into moving to Canada because the US is going to be a very bad place to have to live in. I can go 4 more years with chimp but a long term rule by RW repukes BEYOND one more prez term is going to be a disaster and I haven't the stomach for it. :puke: It is not 4 more years with the chimp that worries me, it is how the RW has been working for 40 years to get where they are now where they can AND ARE NOW dismantling the New Deal etc. If it was just another term for the chimp that would be one thing, but it goes beyond that and the future is very foreboding. :-(

[RedSock]

25. planning a move

already planning a move to canada regardless of whether * wins or loses. the country has moved sooooo far to the right that i simply don't want to support it with my taxes anymore.

another term of the moron would be hell to the nth degree. i'd love to leave now, but hopefully we'll have the needed $$$ by the time diebold "counts" the "votes".

[Military Brat]

24. Wins again? What do you mean, "again"?

I do not recognize bush as anything other than the illegitimately chosen freak-show of the politically incestuous SCOTUS.

If he manages to steal another election, then let the dragon rear its ugly head and show even the RW just how ugly the monster is. You know what they say, sometimes you just gotta hit the bottom before you realize how seriously you need help.

[Fescue4u]

32. Good point.

I half thought about that when writing the question, but I didnt really want to get hung up on semantics.

Interesting thoughts about hitting bottom nbtw.

[KaraokeKarlton]

26. The only way he'll win is if the nominee is NOT Howard Dean

and the first thing I'll do is come here and say "I told you so."

[Clark Can WIN]

38. Wrong

[KaraokeKarlton]

51. Clark opposed the war too, you know

If the war opposition ship goes down, your guy's going down with it too.

[tlcandie]

68. OMG!

I am not bashing Dean...I'm not a candidate basher but that pic is hilarious and would be n/m who was in the costume!!

LoL

[Devlzown]

28. I'll be off like a prom dress.

I'm not certain where yet, but South America is looking attractive. ChaChaCha!

[warrior1]

29. he didn't win the first time.

taking the election in 2004, If...he still is illegitimate

[Devlzown]

40. I KNOW he didn't win.

But that didn't keep him from fucking things up did it? Maybe instead of praying for the Democrats to win, we should pray for them to lose -- just like Bush did in 2000. Another one of those be careful what you wish for stories.

[Gloria]

30. I may have to be restrained because I've already come THIS CLOSE

to taking my mother's radio (tuned to freeper radio) and throwing it at her. I don't know if I can take 4 more years of Bush AND her!!

Mexico is close by...I may investigate. Canada would be OK during the summer on the standard 6 month legal entry thing. But to get in permanently is impossible for me.

[camero]

31. Join a Resistance

Forget about anything else. We're already being prepared for Martial Law. Which means that they could abolish the Democratic Party if they wanted.

Of course they won't because the Dems will be toothless to do anything.

[Ilsa]

33. I'd have to take a break from politics.

I would literally need a long vacation from thinking about how he is screwing up our country.

Then I'd watch as the RW'ers kids got drafted along with all the others and watch them complain about it.

Then I'd look for a way my husband could work overseas for a few years. I might be able to survive better that way.

Then I'd come home and start the fight for the 2008 election.

[neverforget]

34. Election night I'm drinking for celebration of a Bush defeat or drown

my sorrows in his election. After that, I'll quit watching tv, reading newspapers or reading the internet so I can be as numb and as dumb as the fools who elected the Idiot. Or maybe not......but it will be hard to stay informed without being angry 24/7.

[mikehiggins]

35. If you don't mind my commenting on this topic...

It seems to me that things are entirely different now, due in part to Dean's campaign and to a lesser degree, Clark's. We have lots of new people brought in through the internet who have not really been motivated in the past. Most of those people will not dissipate into disarray after a potential loss next November because we still have

MeetUp: the hard core Clarkies and Deaniacs will find ample reason to bond as one, like foxhole buddies. Plus, since many MeetUps are held in restaurants, we can get good meals as well. Since most, if not all, MeetUps are independent of political parties they could constitute an effect fifth column even in the midst of GOP rule.

MoveOn: MoveOn had a galvanising effect on Dean's candidacy, and they aren't going anywhere, anytime soon. They have the potential for becoming the future's ACLU, without the habit of supporting very unpopular causes.

ACT and other newly started political action centers that are not dependent on the existing party structure can have as undermining an effect on the Rightists as the right wing "thimk tanks" did on the Left.

The difference between 2000 and 2004 is that there is an actual "grass-roots" movement in place and growing, a movement looking for peace and justice essentially separate from blind allegience to a party or a partisan candidate.

Additionally, the present hierarchy of the Democratic Party is aging, as are our candidates. The motivated among us could easily become the majority on the DNC and shape the debate over the future of the party by becoming the party.

That is what the Right did to us over the course of decades. Taking it all back shouldn't take us half as long.

Win or lose in 2004, things really have changed and that really is something.

[DFLforever]

53. A very encouraging post, mike

I wish all the young, committed people of these movements the success they've earned.

[JanMichael]

36. Like many have already mentioned: I'll get blocked (drunk).

After that?

Life goes on I suppose. Start digging tunnels?:shrug:

[Name removed]

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[Bozola]

42. I'm antigun...but I agree

[many a good man]

39. It'll be the greatest thing to ever happen to the Progressive movement

Just like the Great Depression was.

Things will get so bad that peoples' eyes will finally be opened. Wedge issues will finally be seen as senseless distractions. The importance of what we've been fighting for will become clear.

Long live the Second Republic!!!

[JanMichael]

43. Well yes BUT the immediate Corpo insanity will get real ugly.

Matter of fact I bet, over time, we'll swing farther Left that the New Deal and FDR.

But I just can't hope for that to happen at the expense of so many...

[Cascadian]

55. Maybe it is going to take things to be very bad.

No more middle class, dissent from telling a Bush joke to trying to organize meetings will be squashed, the Corporates will rule every aspect of life, religion will be shoved down our throats. Did I miss anything else?

Maybe then, just maybe people will wake up. Sadly, it might be too late.


John

[ComerPerro]

66. Either that, or all of the problems will be blamed on progressives

Its what reichwingers do. They have been doing it for years. No one is better at scapegoating than the right in this country.

[are_we_united_yet]

41. I just can't bear to think about

four more years with this.... this... this...
uhhhh!

[Zero Division]

44. I'll do whatever I can to help the Dems take back Congress for one thing

I don't need to even believe some of the wilder things that some DUers believe will occur to get my blood boiling :grr:. Four more years of the same thing we've had is more than enough. The thought of having to live 8 F***ING years under this Right Wing regime is more than enough. Every other breath I take will be focussed on how I can help liberals and progressives :nuke: the Right Wing out of power in the U.S.

[DFLforever]

45. First if W has a very tough opponent, I don't think he'll survive

the election.

If he does, I will rent my house, put my cat in a foster home and leave the country for awhile. I'm past retirement age, in very good health and think I would adapt fairly well to new circumstances.

I would be leaving my grown children behind, but they don't think Bush is so bad and have profited from his tax cuts, so I might not miss them all that much!

[mmonk]

47. Keep fighting for democracy

somehow and for the truth. I gotta hope the good guys will come through again, (maybe in the off year elections).

[GOPFighter]

49. I'll bet the Freepers responded the same way about...

...the possibility of four more years of Clinton in 1995!

They survived Clinton's second term by harrassing him every single day. We should do no less.... :evilgrin:

[cliss]

50. I'll leave. There are other countries

that take immigrants.

But before I do, I will do everything within my power to help get a Democrat elected. I'll be out there, canvassing & knocking on doors.

But if the election is rigged and he wins anyway, I'm exit stage left.

[dean4america]

52. honestly...

I'd probably take that standing job offer to move to New Zealand where a few Canadian friends currently are enjoying the good life.

I *WANT* to say that I'd stay and fight the good fight, kick the Repubs ass in 2008, etc., but if Bush wins in 04, the SC becomes even more conservative, the economy goes to sh*t, the US starts more wars, and so on, to the point where if we lose in 04, we may just be totally FUBAR'd here.

But, maybe that's me being pissed at Shrub today.

[Cascadian]

54. Bush didn't win the first time.

If he does win in 2004, I am seriously considering getting out of the country. This place will be doomed.

John

[corporatewhore]

56. Maybe France will Liberate us

and french troops aided by us resistance groups will find that psychopathic homicidal dictator arrest him and be put o trial for crimes agianst humanity

[camero]

59. The Second American Revolution

Vive Le France! :)

[goodhue]

57. organize

for Kucinich in 2008

[corporatewhore]

58. Follow the bolivians example

and force him to leave OUR country

[windansea]

60. costa rica sounds good (nt)

[newyawker99]

72. Hi windansea!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[SheilaT]

61. If I didn't have one kid

still in high school (11th grade at this point) I'd be moving to another country well before next November. I feel absolutely trapped. The hope that the Democratic nominee can win next year is based on a fair and free election. (And yes, Dean is as electable as Clark or Kerry. And there's simply no chance whatsoever that Lieberman can get the nomination, so don't worry about him.) I have no trust at all that the election will be free and fair. Where does that leave us?

Already noises are being made about the necessity for a draft. They will not get my sons. We have relatives in Canada which may help, but Canada can't begin to accept all the Americans who will attempt to go there if Bush stays in power.

[TankLV]

62. Rip my hair out, wear sack cloth, cover my body with ashes.

Actually, my hair is pretty much gone already.

Don't feel like shopping for anything, let alone sack cloth (what is that anyway?!)

Only ashes I get in close contact with is fueling my fireplace.

Sigh.

I'll be very depressed for awhile - hug my doggies - make love to my partner - eat some good food. Pray a lot.

[Cascadian]

64. I think we should try Michael Moore's idea.

Peaceful public dissent and take it to the streets!


John

[1songbird]

65. There will be screaming and gnashing of teeth, but

I will survive. What I'm doing now is retraining myself economically and curtailing my spending. I'm teaching myself to live with less and save all I can because I believe an economic train wreck is sure to come if we lose the Presidency and more seats in the Senate. We now have the power of at least invoking the super majority rule to block legislation in the Senate. This didn't seem to help with the Medicare Bill but I digress.

I'm also working on becoming my own boss because I believe global outsourcing will continue at an increased rate after the election eliminating many more jobs. With a small child, financial survival is the most critical thing for my family. We will probably have a significant reduction in personal freedoms, but I can deal with this as long as my child's necessities are met.

[Beaker]

67. My wife and I plan to sell our house before november-

after the election...we'll see. If * is re-appointed and we stay in the U.S., we'll probably rent, and wait for the real estate bubble to burst a little before buying back in.
As a heterosexual white guy, I might be o.k...except that I'm also disabled, on Social Security and medicare.

[tlcandie]

69. Hang on for the ride.... ?

During that time will be learning more about thrift and survival via less energy, alternative energy, having a water well drilled ASAP (this summer), learning to eat less, growing my own small garden, those kind of things.

Paring down HUGELY and trying to make sure all the financial stuff is in order. There will be no house updates or repairs with exception of emergencies.

I don't doubt the ability of our dem candidates, but honestly, after reading about James Baker's new job from Greg Palast (see link below) I don't think this regime plans on leaving. They've done too much, lied too much, cheated too much...it seems what they are doing is for permanent resident status. After all, there is nothing to stop them from what a repeat of 2000. In fact, it can be even more secretly done this time around with more drastic results.

But I will continue to have hope! :D

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=300&row=0

[killbotfactory]

70. Keep fighting against the repubs..

I ain't no quitter.

[Anaxamander]

73. Two words: O Canada (nt)