What has the Democratic party done for Blacks?

[Pangea]

OK, I just returned from the Martin Luther King center in Atlanta, and was sadly reminded that Ronald Reagan was the one who signed on to Dr King's birthday being a holiday.

Why does the Democratic party allow the Repukes to be the first at these milestones, for example, appointing blacks to higher office, like Secretary of State? Are we afraid we appear too liberal, similar to the way we are afraid to defend Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton from the viscous attacks from the right? At the rate we are going, I believe the Repukes would give us our first Black president. Oh yeah, don't forget, Lincoln freed the slaves. Outside of fighting for Affirmative Action, what has the Democratic party done for us?

[JohnKleeb]

1. well LBJ signed the civil rights act of 1964

I am not black but democrats did support civil rights more so than republicans with the exception of southern democrats who are now republicans. I also think the holiday idea was probably the work of a democrat. In fact I think Representives Conyers, Lewis, or Rangel should get a job in a dem cabinet.

[ShaneGR]

99. I wonder who was in control of Congress when MLK Day passed?

Hmmmm, I wonder. Reagan would have never even seen that bill. Dems!

[TruthIsAll]

2. Were you around in the sixties? Read up on JFK and LBJ...

working with MLK ......

And don't forget Jimmy Carter and Clinton..

And one other thing: the blacks vote 92% for the Dems - must be a reason.

[JohnKleeb]

3. dont forget RFK

[noiretextatique]

80. and the reason is...

92% black people know the republicans are 100% full of shit :D

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[stanwyck]

11. Welcome, DarthPaul

[Pangea]

12. Tree hugging liberal here....

DP, I am a die hard tree hugging liberal, I am in no way turned on by Repukes. George Bush is playing the race card in such a way that we need to be very careful we do not loose the black voter base, yes, 90% of blacks vote Democratic but we cannot depend on that forever. Are you aware that pre 1950, many members of the KKK were affiliated with the Democratic party? It is only since the Civil rights days that blacks became majority Democrat, prior to that, blacks aligned themselves with the party of Lincoln.

I do have a problem when I hear Al Sharpton making very strong speeches in this campaign and yet I see most DUers distancing themselves from Sharpton and any other Civil Rights era leader, I think most appear afraid to appear too liberal. That same disease is the reason Dean and Sharpton were the only Democrats with the huevos to speak out against the war from the early days, as most Democratic candidates preferred to walk the moderate line. Even my recent hero, Clinton screwed us recently with his support of Bush's lies on WMD. If we fail to stand for what got us where we are, if we try to emulate our foe, we are bound to loose everything.

Bush and the Repukes will beat us to it in electing the first black president and if so, I guarantee you, we will lose half of that base. They are already talking about Powell and Rice. What black Democratic candidates can you see us supporting for President in the next 20 years, name ONE!

[JohnKleeb]

17. Sharpton and Dean the only ones what about Kucinich

No actually I support Kucinich. Black candiates hmmmmmmmmm We should have considered letting these three guys try a whiles back Lewis, Rangel, and Conyers. I am not afraid of being too liberal if you wanna say that blame the DLC.

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[Solomon]

Because the token appointment of blacks in the service of

white supremacy does not equal the larger number of non-white judges, managers, and other power positions that the democrats have appointed.

Do you consider the appointment of Clarence Thomas to have been some sort of act in favor of minorities? Just because it is a high title? Thurgood Marshall, one of the greatest justices America has ever had, literally begged the republicans not to do what they did. Use a defacto minority position created by Marshall, as an opportunity to appoint an asshole like Thomas.

The shit serves its purpose though, since putting even token appointments on display psychologically prepares the population for the proposition, that one day it may have to actually respect and listen to a black man.

Nope. I'd rather see the democrats doing the appointing.

[mitchum]

39. Thank you, Solomon

[JohnKleeb]

46. Good points Solomon

They just put Thomas on the court because he happened to be a conservative minority thats all. LBJ put Marshall on the court because it sure was time for a minority judge and also Thurgood Marshall had plenty of experience he was the attorney in Brown Vs the Board of Education representing Brown of course.

[Tinoire]

28. Bwahaha! Black people vote for Powell and Rice?

They'd get all of what? 4% of the Black vote? Maybe 6%?

The only Black people who would vote for those 2 are people who forgot what color their skin is. JC Watts, themselves, a few Dino votes like Majette, Harold Ford, and Clarence Thomas (who could always be counted on to fix things and tell us they really won).

Oh and you and your two friends of course.


Vote for Powell and Rice indeed! Just where have you been hanging out? Only Republicans think Black people have memories that short.

[w4rma]

37. IMHO, the Republicans will be the first political party to elect a

black president. Why, if Democrats are the political party that tries to do the most for African-Americans? Partially, because of that reason.

The Republican Party consists of two main groups, the corporate fat cats and the fundamentalist-leaning "Christians". The corporate fat cats just want laws that help them get more wealthy than they already are at the expense of the rest of us. The non-critical thinking fundamentalists are brainwashed into believing whatever the Republican Party leadership tells them to believe, to a point.

Notice this: "brainwashed into believing whatever the Republican Party leadership tells them to believe". That means that if for some reason the corporate fat cats found an African-American who would push policies for them and they saw a winning electorial strategy to get that person into office, then they would turn on the great whirlitzer and a bunch of those (many of whom are racists) fundamentalists would vote for the African-American because they were told to. And alot of Dems would likely jump ship to break a race barier.

[Muddleoftheroad]

94. Overall

As an African-American, I agree that the Repubs bend over backwarks TRYING to look open-minded. As a result, I think you are right. If anyone is going to run a black presidential candidate, it will be them.

[w4rma]

16. Lot's of moderates and centrists on this board, too

Although, I'm neither. I consider myself to be a liberal realist, not a moderate or centrist.

[Tinoire]

77. Kind of like you got it wrong here?

DarthPaul (14 posts) Sun Jul-27-03 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #1

2. Hmmm...

Kind of like what some real libertarians and republicans do to us sometimes, I'm sure.

"Life is tough. Life is tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne




Randi_Listener (220 posts) Sun Jul-27-03 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #2

3. 3 posts....


...and now it's "us". Nice try. ((:thumbsup: Randi_Listener!))



DarthPaul (14 posts) Sun Jul-27-03 11:27 PM
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4. Sounds like fighting words to me.

I've probably been a democrat longer than you've been out of diapers, boy. I sure know I've been black longer. Don't go getting racist on me now. I get enough of that from the right-wing whackos without hearing it from my own people, too.

"Life is tough. Life is tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne


Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Black my friggin ass!

[whirlygigspin]

5. Oh stop crying into your teacup!

:bounce:

[Catherine Vincent]

6. The Democratic party doesn't have to do anything for the Blacks.

You're either for the individual or you vote for the party and what they represent.

I used to be an Independent and voted for republicans sometimes but no more. I don't care much for certain individuals that support the republican party and I don't care much how they treated Bill Clinton.

Yes, I have hatred for the republican party. It will be a long time before I vote for a republican.

I gave you my opinion. But actually, your post is suspicious to me. Are you a poser?

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[Pangea]

15. A mod for what?

[Tinoire]

31. We'll find out soon

:evilgrin:


:thumbsup:

Done and done x 2

[Pangea]

41. Oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tinoire]

43. I see you've been through this before!

:hi:

[stanwyck]

7. Don't forget Truman

and JFK Truman integrated the armed forces, where minorities were badly used, and began the fight for Civil Rights legislation, later brought to fruition under JFK and LBJ. It is encouraging that Powell and Rice have such high profile positions in the Bush administration. But the Democratic administrations have had a much greater number of African Americans. Also, with the departure of J.C. Watts, the Republicans are left with ZERO elected black members of Congress. And didn't Republicans in Arizona successfully pass legislation to NOT honor Dr. King? I need to check that, along with Reagan being responsible for Dr. King's holiday -- and not the Democratic Congress.

[Randi_Listener]

9. Higher offices

I look at the policy of the party. I don't count heads in the administration. Clarence Thomas is a disgrace. Colin Powell is a disgrace. Condi Rice is inept and a disgrace. You count heads. I'll watch policies.

[mitchum]

10. Hmmm...You're African-American and presumably a Democrat...

and you have these questions. Hmmm...

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[mitchum]

18. Nor with your choice of thread title and reiteration of RW talking points

[Pangea]

21. Sheeeeessshhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't you understand I am pissed that at the end of a movie detailing Dr King's life, that Reagan gets the credit for the holiday.....

Maybe I do need to switch parties, to the Green party if this is the kind of BS I get attacked with here!

[Cheswick2.0]

95. ah, the green party

that's what I thought. When I was running a campaign office last year, there was a black man who had recently switched to the Green party who was telling all the local minority activists that the democratic party had not done enough for them. He was trying to undermine my efforts to get out the vote for the democrat. That is his right of course. But this idea, that the democratic party should be able to deliver every single demand of certain activists or they will go Green is very familiar to me.


Nice use of divisive tactics. You get a 10.

[Tinoire]

57. In all fairness so does Condi Rice and she's Black

Whoops but she's a Republican!

:spank: :spank: Bad girl Tinoire! Bad, bad girl!

[Tinoire]

14. And the Colored Girls Go

You know I find your use of the word "us" rather strange...

What has the Republican party done for "us"?

Let me see...

Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Condi Rice

Redistricting so "our" votes won't count.

Arranging cross-over voting to make sure the people "we" like like McKinney and Hilliard don't rock that comfy republican boat.

Telling "us" that it's not a hate crime when James Byrd was dragged to death in Texas by a chain from the back of a pickup truck.

----

Could it be that the Democratic Party doesn't feel a need to put on a Smoke and Mirror show while they're stabbing Blacks in the back.

The increased number of homeless, hungry BLACK people out on the streets, pushing their shopping carts should be answer enough- in other words they leave "us" a few more crumbs and when people are hungry and unemployed, crumbs are important.

---


Candy came from out on the Island
In the backroom she was everybody's darlin'
But she never lost her head
Even when she was giving head
She says, Hey babe
Take a walk on the wild side
Said, Hey babe
Take a walk on the wild side
And the colored girls go
doo do doo do doo do do doo

Sugar Plum Fairy came and hit the streets
Lookin' for soul food and a place to eat
Went to the Apollo
You should've seen 'em go go go
They said, Hey sugar
Take a walk on the wild side
I Said, Hey babe
Take a walk on the wild side
All right, huh

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[Randi_Listener]

24. Care to elaborate?

Shipped away? To where exactly?

[Tinoire]

29. Bochiao53

You sure you're comfortable with that avatar of Jesse Jackson?

He doesn't look very comfortable being used in vain like that.

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[Randi_Listener]

50. Nice duck.

You didn't answer the question.

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[Randi_Listener]

58. I'm not sure..

...there are any convicted murderers that don't go to jail.

[noiretextatique]

59. do you think they aren't going to jail?

because of some over-whelming bias in favor of black defendants in the justus system? oj, notwithdtanding, i think the prison industry is prepared to house many, and the justus system is more than prepared to accomodate.

[Tinoire]

63. No, I got you're point LOUD and CLEAR J.C. !

And when you're changing your avatar to something more appropriate, please don't change your signature line! It's a REAL RIOT!!

[noiretextatique]

65. yeah you did get the point

in case you didn't, this poster made another _ _ _ _ _ _ innuendo in the mckinney thread :nuke:

[Tinoire]

70. lol- and look at Pangea's "gems"

What has the Democratic party done for Blacks?
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Democrats more of a threat to this nation than Al Qaeda - Neil Boortz
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Thanks Bill Clinton for setting Dems back another ten years.
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Clinton bombed an aspirin factory - Sean Hannity
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[Tinoire]

72. Then we have DarthPaul - the soon to be _____ on valium

with "gems" like this one where he responds to his good friend the "great" Bochiao53:

Bochiao53 (16 posts) Sun Jul-27-03 11:03 PM
17. Pretty sure this is not true

I work with football camps that go to UT from the Atlanta area, and we have big convoys of buses to vans, and have NEVER ever been stopped.

"And I sure as hell ain't no REPUBLICAN!"--Eddie Vedder


DarthPaul (14 posts) Sun Jul-27-03 11:08 PM
20. I agree with the great Bochiao ((:puke: ))

I'm a Georgian. This doesn't happen. Not even to a black guy like me, who, if this is really repub nazi-ism, would probably be the first one to be detained for lack of I.D. ((Gee, how many times are you going to tell us you're Black?? Every other post?? What like you're afraid we won't believe you!!!!))

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=90808&mesg_id=90808&listing_type=search

At the state patrol office near the Tenn-Ga line NAZISM is alive and well.
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I admit it, I'm a disruptor
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OMG, are Americans really this pathetically uninformed?
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Arnold Schwarzeneggar's daddy was a NAZI
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[Gringo]

33. I'm going to get flamed for this, but

I'll never understand why a white man who kills a black man should be punished more severely than a white man who kills another white man. The book should be thrown at racist killers (or other violent criminals) , but it should be thrown at all killers(or other violent criminals). How do you ban hate? I hate republicans, if I kill one out of hate (that falls under "creed") then I'm a "hate criminal"?

[Randi_Listener]

40. Hate crime

Is related to intent. If you intend to intimidate a group through crime, it is classified as a hate crime. It's not a white person being judged more harsly than a black person. You have it wrong.

[Gringo]

71. That's not what I said

If a black man kills a black man, is that "better" than his killing a white man out of racial hatred? No, it's the same. This type of law could be used against blacks,too. All I'm saying is that a muder is a murder, a rape is a rape, an assault is an assault. I've never believed that the motive was relevant. "Crime of Passion" "Temporary Insanity" We use these terms to try to excuse people for heinous crimes. To me, the crime itself, and the perpetrator's guilt or innocence are the only important things. Motivation is irrelevant, and to consider it is in and of itself a form of discrimination. I don't see why a person who kills his wife in a fit of rage over an affair is better than a guy who kills his wife for insurance money. The end result is that the wife is dead. The guy who kills out of rage is just as much of a danger to society as he may kill out of rage again.

If crimes against blacks are not being prosecuted sufficiently, perhaps we need a watchdog function to see that they are.

[Trajan]

66. Hatred as an element of criminal behavior .....

has been identified as an aggravating factor by a society which had mistreated citizens based on the race of those citizens ....

So, racism becomes an aggravating factor duing sentencing ..

I see nothing wrong with that .....

Frankly: .... I dont see many cases where white vs black crime is more vigorously prosecuted or sentenced than white vs white crime ...

Have you any hard facts ? ...... or just anecdotes ? ......

[Gringo]

75. To the contrary

I would venture that white against black crimes, although relatively rare, are probably underprosecuted. I think that blacks in general get a raw deal from the justice system. I think that making SURE that the present laws get enforced is a better idea than creating this concept of a "hate crime" A crime is a crime, no matter who does it or why. I wouldn't object if more resources were allocated to helping blacks who've been victimized get justice, campaigns to leat people in the black community know their rights and how to obtain redress.

[Cheswick2.0]

96. you don't want to understand

I am sure "hate crime" has been explained to you many times. You don't care, it is about your political identification, where you place youself on the spectrum...the angry white guy backlash probably makes sense to you, democrat or not.

I certainly will not waste my time explaining hate crime to you again.

[uhhuh]

34. HMMM

What about those people who are carjacked by non-blacks? Or are you saying that there has never been a non-black carjacking? What about a carjacking that DOES happen to have been carried out by a black person..ON a black person? What about if the perpetrator is Chinese and the victim is Samoan?Do you have any concept of what a hate crime is? Or do you think that if a crime that is perpetrated on someone of another race is ALWAYS motivated by race?

[noiretextatique]

38. yeah...let's ship them to back to africa

the white supremacists, as someone here proposed recently.

[Tinoire]

47. Hey sistah! When did Black folk start wearing hoods?

Amazing isn't it?

Posts about how hate crimes aren't LARGE enough to protect white folks from evil Black folks dragging them to their deaths during car-jackings!


It's "The Attack of the Killer Hoods!

On edit: Make that: It's "The Triangulatory Attack of the Killer Hoods!"

I wonder if somewhere on some 'other' web-site, a few posters might not somehow be missing...

[noiretextatique]

55. LOL...i have no idea

however, the republican party is expert at using black people to spout their most foul racial nonsense. these folk can say things that would get a white person booted from a leadership position in the senate :eyes:

[noiretextatique]

26. not to mention "replacing" thurgood marshall with uncle thomas

the pervert and puppet, and vilifying anita hill, and others, in the process. and visiting bob jones university while campaigning. and also longing for the segregationist candidate of 1948. and delay, i believe it was him, claiming he couldn't get to vietnam because of all the spots were taken by those darn 'minorties.' not to mention bush's speech at goree...and the havoc he created on his visit to africa. lying thru his teeth all the way.

as to democrats, triangulation hasn't exactly been beneficial to african americans, since race is still a convienent wedge issue...the effectiveness of which was demonstrated in a couple of mid-term elections.

still, african americans had the good sense to vote democratic in the 90% range in 2000... for good reason. the "party of lincoln," is now the party of something else entirely.

i don't see that changing in the near future. bush's black dog and pony show, notwithstanding.

like father, like son.

[Solomon]

35. Hi noiretblu.

:)

[noiretextatique]

42. hello solomon...nice to see you

:hi: glad to see you're still hanging out here :hi:

[Gringo]

19. First of all it's "vicious", not "viscous". Viscous is like oil or gel.

And I'm very proud that the democratic party helped pass the civil rights act, and has welcomed and listened to black Americans, unlike the GOP. The GOP only throws meaningless symbolic bones, like appointing a house negro like Colin Powell as Sec'y of State, while trying to distract blacks from the fact that their federal entitlements (if they are receiving) and govt. services are being cut, their taxes are going up in the form of user fees, while the ultra-wealthy (mostly white) few pocket a sizable tax cut. The MLK Holiday was promoted vigorously by democrats and rejected in repuke states like Arizona. Lincoln was a member of a party that doesn't resemble the present racist and fascist GOP, just as the present democratic party doesn't represent the very conservative racist democratic party of the early part of the 20th century.

"Are we afraid we appear too liberal, similar to the way we are afraid to defend Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton from the viscous attacks from the right?"

I don't know what you're talking about here. What vicious attacks? Jackson's love child? Can't defend him there, he made his bed. Limbaugh's mocking of his accent with a racist tone? Yep. I defend him there all the time. As for Sharpton, I defend his advocacy of Tawana Brawley, because he believed her and did what he thought was right. Sometimes Sharpton's showmanship gets the best of him, but I think he's a great asset to our party. Overall, our party's record on civil rights is pretty good. It could use some improvement, but we are doing exponentially better than the GOP, thank you.

I hope you enjoy your "visit" to DU. Thanks for not bringing an agenda...

[Pangea]

23. Thanks for the correction Gringo....

[Pangea]

25. "visit" eh gringo, I guess you will lobby for me being banned?

Unbelievable, I come here with an honest topic/debate and because it's not posed in a normal fashion, I get attacked, you know what, maybe I really don't belong here.....

This is the very reason we are losing our base.

[Randi_Listener]

27. Losing what base?

As I recall Gore had more votes than pretzel boy in the last "election".

[Gringo]

30. Don't get your panties in a wad.

I NEVER hit the alert button for any posts other than my own.

"Unbelievable, I come here with an honest topic/debate and because it's not posed in a normal fashion, I get attacked, you know what, maybe I really don't belong here.....
This is the very reason we are losing our base."

It doesn't seem very honest to me at all, but if you'll look, I answered it as though it were. If "we" are losing our base because I implied that you might have an agenda, we never had much of a "base" at all.

If you're really being honest, and you really are a democrat, you might want to structure your posts to get opinions on ways to improve the way our party serves its black constituency, rather than repeating right wing talking points that have little basis in reality.

[Pangea]

32. Gringo, use your methods, I'll use mine.....

"you might want to structure your posts to get opinions on ways to improve the way our party serves its black constituency, rather than repeating right wing talking points that have little basis in reality"

You structure your posts in your fashion, and I'll attack it from my angle, that's what diversity is all about, get it in your skull, it does not have to be done your same old tired method!

[Gringo]

36. Oh, I see, using hackneyed RW talking points is "refreshing".

Sorry, I didn't realize you were trying to get us staid libruls to "think outside the box". You just keep doing what you do. I'm sure you're just a "harmless little fuzzball", so I'll leave you be. Mega-dittos!

[Pangea]

44. Oh Gringo, one day you will learn....

Gringo, maybe one day you might learn that your opponent's criticism can be your greatest asset....

[Forkboy]

48. not if the criticism is stupid

:shrug:

[Tinoire]

64. You always cut right to the chase!

:loveya:

[Forkboy]

68. lol

I'm no good at diplomacy :)

[Tinoire]

73. Check out

Posts 63, 70, 72

Funny little creatures wouldn't you say...

[JohnKleeb]

76. yeah like

lemme give you a example
Congressman Kleeb is too liberal he voted against rising spending on the military oh my or theres Congressman Kleeb is a communist my response Mr. So and So would rather have big business run the country rather than the people now you want me or some big business rep or a representive of the people.

[Solomon]

54. Don't give up so quick.

I wasn't offended by the question. Saw it as an opportunity to better inform someone who got things mixed up. I'm all for titles that make people look, just so long as there's something there. Since it is a republican talking point, even though its bullshit, its good to put things on the table so that others can get points to give back to some asshole they may be trying to inform.

It may seem that the democrats don't do much, but at least they don't intentional try to harm, which the repug party continually does despite their rhetoric. Whites in this country are having a ball because of the tremendous advantage they have held over blacks for centuries. Whites need this advantage to stay on top. They don't give a shit about leveling the playing field. Its really what the Iraq invasion was all about. A lot of whites believe it necessary to prevent the arabs from rising as a power, in order to keep our hegemony over the world. Its why Bush is so popular with whites, although we would never openly admit it. We know its wrong. But Bush is willing to kill and steal from brown people, whether its right or wrong. If he's willing to do it even though its wrong, he gets more loved and respected by us for having the balls to be a hypocrit.

Louis Farakhan said it the best. A black person voting republican, is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

[delete_bush]

67. Re the chicken...

The "chicken voting for Colonel Sanders" remark is attributed to the father of J.C. Watts. Somehow a few crucial genes never made it from father to son.

I don't believe that Farrakhan is identified with a political party, if so I hope he's not a Dem.

[Solomon]

74. Heard Farakhan say it. He coulda got it from Watts

Why would you not want his vote? If he's voting against Bush, I'll take it. Doesn't mean I support his politics. Hell, if Barbara Bush voted against Georgie, I'd take it.

[noiretextatique]

83. 92% of african americans can't be wrong

we know we ARE voting in our best interests. as to whether or not those interests are being served adequately, that's a question that affects most americans, to one degree or another. and the answer is: NO. we all deserve better.

[uhhuh]

52. Of course

You also forgot to mention that the NAACP still can't get a meeting with the chimp. I'm sure he and other repukes are just too busy taking care of their needs to have time to hear what they think they might be.

[Jim Sagle]

49. Lots of new blood here tonight.

[Tinoire]

60. Hey Jim!

"This thread ain't nothing but shit!"

[linazelle]

51. This is BS

If a democrat were in the Whitehouse when the legislation was introduced, I don't doubt that they would have sent it through. Let's not leave out the extended controversy and length of time it took to have the law passed as well as the republican states that refused to honor it and the reprsentatives who naysayed it--it was not done out of the goodness of the repug's hearts.

So what exactly is your point? I don't see any significant things being done by either side for blacks in America. Figureheads like Powell and Rice do nothing "for blacks" as you are so wont to represent. Going to Liberia is not "for blacks" either just because that is the predominant race there. It's a human rights issue.

Spare me the rhetoric please and find some far ranging policies by either party that have addressed the issues of blacks in America and then....get back to me will ya...

[leftyandproud]

56. affirmative action--NUFF SAID

the pukes will never support affirmative action, and we can ALWAYS point to this...We need to use it..pound it in every election. They have no defense!!

[noiretextatique]

61. some democrats don't support it either

it has become an effective wedge issue, one that even a strong party stance can't overcome.

[sandnsea]

62. We're fighting for our lives here

You know silly little things like overtime laws and keeping religion out of schools and social security and head start and old growth trees and clean air and water. Things black and white people alike ought to care about.

If the Democratic Party doesn't advocate policies you like, don't vote for them. If you can be easily bought with a holiday and a rubber stamp supreme court justice, then vote Republican.

The southern vote turned Republican because of LBJ and Civil Rights. If that isn't enough for you, nothing ever will be.

[foo_bar]

69. your money or your lifestyle

Please don't tell black people about "fighting for our lives". 10% of the male population in forced labor is really a different order of survival than "overtime laws".

[Gringo]

78. I'm pretty sure that many of the 90% not in jail DO care

about overtime laws. etc. You think blacks don't have bills to pay? Don't want safe workplaces free of harrassment? Efficient government services? Are you saying that the only thing on the minds of the typical black American family is "Golly we need to get that 10% of blacks outta jail right now. Can't be bothered to think about silliness like national health care" And despite the fact that many of those blacks in prison have been given ridiculously out-of proportion sentences due to drug crimes, I'll bet that most people in the black community would NOT want a general amnesty for that 10%.

[sandnsea]

79. Same fight

I get it, do you? If everything white people have fought for over the last 100 years can be taken away, black people may as well roll it up and forget it.

It is time for working blacks and whites to come together and fight the entity that keeps them both suffering. An elitist corporate culture. It's the same culture that makes laws that put more blacks in jail than whites and also teaches whites that blacks are the source of their problems. We are at a time in our history where individual interests need to be temporarily put aside for the greater good of getting these particular monsters out of office.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

81. Kudos to the mods..nailed him under 50

[Gringo]

84. Yup - DarthPaul, too

I don't know how they do it. I get accused of being a repug from time to time, have had a couple of messages deleted here and there, but somehow they can tell that I actually AM a democrat.

Maybe it's because the posers try so hard to prove that they are dems that its just obvious. I don't care if my opinion on something makes you think I'm a winger. If that's my opinion, so be it. If I ever did get banned from this board my life would be so much more productive!

[noiretextatique]

86. you ain't no winger, babe

forgive me for speaking in the manner of mckinney (reference to a foul...and deleted...comment in another thread), but i so appreciated your recent threads. i'll vouch for you anytime :hi:

[Tinoire]

82. THANK YOU MODS! That's 3 down

so that's 3 cheers!!! :toast: :toast: :toast:

[Forkboy]

85. A big "WAY TO BE" to the mods

this is how it's done! :thumbsup:

smoke 'em out! :)

[noiretextatique]

87. another amen

with thanks to the mods :toast: some sharp cookies, these mods :toast:

[JackSwift]

88. Maybe you should ask a black person

like Charles Rangle, or Willie Brown, or Jesse Jackson, or Maxine Waters, or Carol Moseley Brown etc. etc. etc. These people are real leaders and policy makers and king makers in the Democratic Party. The Republicans do not have anything like that in their party. The JC Watts was shut out of real leadership and left Congress for just that reason. If you are black and truly open minded on the subject, ask you local Democratic committee members who are black. You have focused on symbolic things like MLK's birthday, which was pushed through Congress by Democrats over the opposition of Jesse Helms and other Republicans. In the past 70 years, all the real integration has been done by liberals, and by Democrats exclusively since the early 60s. Over the opposition of conservatives, including Democrats who left the party to become Republicans over that very issue. A list of high profile Democrats who became Republicans shows virtually every one of them leaving over this issue.

I'm a white guy who can pass for Republican, and I've sat in with a bunch of Republican white guys talking on many occasions. The Republicans are racist through and through. If left to their own devices, they go on all day long about blacks, immigrants, etc. etc. It's not quite as ugly as the KKK, but it's close.

[KT2000]

89. Find a clip of Reagan signing

It was awful. He was practically forced into signing the bill because it was so popular but he did not want to sign it. He couldn't resist a sarcastic comment about MLK at the time.

[Judi Lynn]

90. After reading the last couple of posts, I "googled" for a quick reference

to Reagan's position, and, of course one leaped out immediately, as I knew it would:

(snip) When Ronald Reagan became President in 1981, he was asked several times about his feeling on the holiday, and each time he said he would prefer making it "a day to remember," but not a paid weekday holiday for workers. He was quoted as saying that he opposed designation of "a national holiday in the sense of business closing down and Government closing down, everyone not working." He said not even Lincoln had a federal holiday reserved for him, only a holiday in most states. In 1983, Dr. King's birthday was an official holiday in several states including New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. Reagan said he would support a general day of remembrance for Dr. King. "But I would question creating another holiday type of thing because, as I say, then we open a door," he said. "Where do we stop?" he added, saying that "there must be away" of observing Dr. King's contribution "without actually legally making it a national holiday."

However, White House aides had been trying to ease what they acknowledged to be a negative perception of Mr. Reagan among blacks arising from his administration's cutbacks in food stamps, welfare and other programs, and from allegations that his administration had eased enforcement of civil rights laws. In the first week of August, 1983, the House approved a measure to make the birthday of Dr. King a federal legal holiday by a vote of 338 to 90. Although opposition was led by several Republicans who noted that President Reagan had in the past worried about the expense to business and government of creating another official holiday, most Republicans in the House joined with the overwhelming majority of Democrats in voting yes.

The same week, Senate Republican leader Howard H. Baker, Jr. of Tennessee urged President Reagan to endorse the holiday. Mr. Baker had placed the bill on the Senate calendar for debate after Congress returned to Washington from its August recess.

With President Reagan's backing, the bill, which would designate the third Monday in January as the 10th federal legal holiday recognized by Congress, would almost certainly pass the Senate. The President, Howard Baker was reported to have argued, could not afford to oppose a measure with such important symbolism, particularly if it passed the Senate. Presidential aides agreed that President Reagan could be badly hurt politically by appearing to oppose a majority in Congress on the issue, and certainly by vetoing a bill if it passed. (snip/...)

http://knightdreamers.com/HomePage/WebMastersRealm/SeasonalFiles/MLKing/sign.htm

On edit: Thanks to the people who take the time to take a stand when misinformation is laid out here. I've never heard of Republican concern for anyone other than WASPy people in the last 50 years, even once.

I have enjoyed the heck outta reading this thread tonight and seeing some misguided non-Dems bite the dust!

[Kahuna]

91. The Dems proposed making MLK day. Reagan and the repukes...

fought it tooth and nail. Reagan was bitterly opposed to it. So, get your facts straight. Just because Reagan signed it doesn't mean it was his idea.

[classics]

92. Beware of those who want to do something 'for Blacks'.

If they want to treat blacks as seperate they are seperatists.

We need to work for the good of society as a whole.

We are not a nation of 'race states'.

[ShaneGR]

93. Yeah, and I just came back from Mars

Nice sucker thread. Can't you go back to ar15.com????

[LiberalLibra]

97. Take all rethug Pres and Dem Pres and tell me who has done more for.......

....blacks. The only people to claim that repubs have done so much more for blacks that Dems have done are dillusional and hopeless.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

98. STOP THE INSANITY

Ronald Reagan, only signed the bill to make MLK's birthday a national holiday after it passed overwhelmingly in both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support.

Do a Google Search.... Reagan initially opposed it and suggest MLK was a communist. In fact after he signed the bill, he was asked if he thought MLK was a communist. His answer was "we'll know in fifty years"*


I'm got damn tired of people on the right and the left rewriting history to support their current agenda.


* that's when the FBI dossier on MLK can be released per the Freedom of Information Act.