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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:34 AM
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does this Oxycontin poppin' freak know he's goin' to hell?
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 01:35 AM by bransonfu
even if there is no God, there's got to be some cosmic force that will ensure this blithering gasbag pays for all of his evil falsehoods.

He is feeding the rural and malcontent whiteys of our country (I'm white so don't bother).

How can he twist around the reason for Condi's glare? She never looks like that when she is being questioned by the media. She only glowers when she has to suffer in silence will pretending to agree with whatever daily buffoonery the Chimp in oval office has to say.

He, Rush..the antithesis of open and investigative journalism in search for truth...believes the guy had it coming to him to DARE suggest there could be an international law greivance in this matter of barring countries from bidding on reconstruction contracts.

I actually found this link from google news when looking for reaction to Bush's drunkard swipe at reporter by saying "Internasshhhinal lawww? Wassss zhattt? <hic> "

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_121203/cont...
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Blade Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:38 AM
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1. Yes, the fatass is going straight to the bowels...
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 01:47 AM by Blade
of Satan's ass. His time will come. When it does, and the end of the world is here, God, Jesus, and I are going right up to the burning sulfur pits and piss on him for all of eternity.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:39 AM
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2. Drug abusers stick up for their own n/t
n/t
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:44 AM
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3. does this Oxycontin poppin' freak know he's goin' to jail?
Hey, that's kinda like hell, isn't it? Woo hoo!
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:52 AM
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5. Hell on earth!
Although people like Pigman go to low security country clubs though :(
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:05 AM
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12. The state of Florida has low security country club prisons?
I don't think Jeb's talk of Faith based prisons involves country club prisons.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:09 AM
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13. Who say's Pigman has to go to Florida Jail?
He did break federal law didn't he?
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Blade Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:11 AM
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14. Hell yeah!
send the fatass to Gitmo!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:16 AM
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15. Well, Rush "Ali Baba" Limbaugh IS a Narco-terrorist, after all...
Remember when Bush/media told us that ALL illegal drug dealers & buyers were contributing to terrorists???

I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of dollars of Rush's black market drug money funded other criminal/terrorist enterprisies...

Yep- O'l Rush "Ali Baba" Limbaugh has a lot of splaining to do for his "narco-terrorist" activities...
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:46 AM
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30. Yeah, where is John Asscroft? Why isn't he enforcing his
Patriot Act?

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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:44 AM
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20. WooHooo!!!!
Let's see him get his arms pulled out of his sockets, filled with sawdust and set it on fire. :evilgrin: Then he'll know what those poor gitmo boys have to put up with.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:35 AM
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19. He may have broken fedral law...
but Ashcroft doesn't seem to be doing much....However, Florida is!

"Doctor shopping" is a third-degree felony under Florida law, punishable by up to 5 years in prison.

Palm Beach County State Attorney Barry Krischer said yesterday that Limbaugh still is under investigation and "is presumed innocent at this time."

link

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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:44 AM
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29. No, I worked for a small business that was owned by a man and
his wife here in Florida. They were convicted of bilking the Dept. of Education for about 5 million $ and are both in Federal prisons here in Florida. We are talking huge rooms with cots for the prisoners. No country club...believe me. Sure opened up my eyes because I thought that Federal prisons weren't that bad.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:46 AM
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4. I'm sure he's got a Imp or Demon position waiting on him when he dies
He's satisfied evil long enough on earth to earn it :( If I was Canada, France, Russia or Germany I wouldn't touch their evil blood money. Besides why don't we give the contracts to the Iraqi's? Hell that's a concept we'll just let the people from the cradle of civilazation rebuild their own country :shrug: Any takers?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:54 AM
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6. If there's any justice in Hell, he'll share a bunk with O.J.
n/t
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:10 AM
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42. Now that raises an interesting question...
If Rush was roomates with OJ, he would no doubt make some stupid ass racist comment about how Simpson was never that great of a football player and only got media attention because he was Black.

O.J., then of course would slit Rush's throat.

However, since you're already dead in Hell, what would happen after that?? :evilgrin:
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:58 AM
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7. A lot of good people also
fall victim to prescription drug addiction.

When did we lose our compassion, people?
Because human weakness is an easy attack to level?
Does it make you feel good?

I would much rather see us be warriors with facts as our weapons than attack a man personally for his flaws.
:(
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:02 AM
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9. Those people aren't the King of Hate Radio
c'mon, it's past midnight... we can blow off some steam, no?
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:30 AM
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17. but we are all equals in our human failings
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:38 AM
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26. Yes we do, but most of us don't go around spreading hatred
and consider ourselves morally superior to others. Rush did. He is a hypocrite and I think he is still using. I should know bec my brother used to do heroin and I see the signs that Rush is not clean. Most doctors will tell you that being addicted to a narcotic like oxy takes 2-3 years to kick.

And Rush had the money to go to some plush rehab and most of those programs follow a "12-step" type of thing. So where is the change? Why isn't he apologizing to those that he has slandered? Like Clinton, for instance. NO, he is still spewing his hatred.

The rest of us would be in jail right now.
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:53 AM
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32. But you do
I see too much of of that around here for it to be valid.

Isn't that what you're doing right now?
You aren't spreading hatred of Limbaugh?
And you don't fancy yourself morally superior to him?

I fail to see the difference.
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Blade Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:03 AM
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10. I have compassion for others....
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 02:07 AM by Blade
except when the others don't have compassion for anyone else.

Besides, he's the very man who spit hatred toward those who are/were suffering from drug problems.

Smells like a freeper....
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:33 AM
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18. And so you want to emulate him now?
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:25 AM
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24. Good olfactory glands Blade. eom
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:04 AM
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11. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! good one! "hoiste up on own petard"
does that ring a bell? come ONNNNN!!!

the reason I bring up the oxy contin is PRECISELY because he was so vilely filled with all manner of invective for years when the subject of drug addiction came up.

I believe he said: "We live in a culture of victimhood. There are no criminals...only victims of their upbringing...yada yada yada.

I first heard this bozo back in 91 and 92 when he tried unsuccessfully to thwart Clinton rise to the white house. Clinton in office for 8 years is what made the man so rich and famous.

I feel for those who are dealing with alcoholism and drug addiction. I think treatment programs, etc. are much better for society than clogging jails with them. HOWEVER: very interesting that the "Book of Virtues" guy Bill Bennett and Tough on Drugs guy Rush Limbaugh fall in the same year.

Next we'll find Ann Coulter is actually selling government secrets to Saudi Arabia.

The point of the post was more related to his standard practice of twisting facts and events to fit a conservative uneducated person's worldview mostly shaped by hogwash served by Limbaugh and Savage, etc.
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:27 AM
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16. Then prove you are better than he is
and lead through example.

I just don't think you should be attacking the Addicted Community in order to get your jollies off Limbaugh.

You hit a lot of innocents with stray bullets in that kind of drive-by.
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Blade Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:46 AM
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21. Why are you trying so hard...
to stick up for a man who is full of pure hatred? C'mon now. Geez...
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:55 AM
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22. Because I believe
you become that which you hate.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 07:25 AM
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34. You are wearing "Democrat's clothing."
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 07:32 AM
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36. over a liberal's heart.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #22
44. Smells like Freep Spirit
(with apologies to Kurt)
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:25 AM
Response to Reply #7
23. I only have compassion for people who are not hypocrites.
My brother was a heroin addict for a long time, but I still loved him and had compassion for him, because he was not "pretending" to be some superior human being.
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:41 AM
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28. This is about you, not them
You either have compassion or you don't.
You are either a hypocrite yourself, or you aren't.
It is about being a better person for yourself.

Not having compassion for another human being's suffering because they have not yet found compassionate or are hypocritical makes you uncompassionate and hypocritical, too.
Your hate is just as evil and misguided as theirs.

Your justification for your own hatred is paradoxical and creates only cognative dissonance that compromises yourself and only leads to inner unrest and turmoil.

You can choose to either live in that world or you can set yourself free and pursue the path to Satori. The choice is yours.
Live and let live, and pray for those who have not yet found peace for themselves.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:32 AM
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47. your compassion kills the addict, we call it enabling
The "tough love" of those who hold Rush up to humiliation and contempt is more likely to heal him than the false "compassion" of those who "understand." Without getting too personal and not wanting to pry, let me just state that if you ever have occasion to deal with a person who suffers a severe addiction, you will learn that "compassion" kills. Enabling the addict by being all loving and understanding is about the worst thing you can do if you love him.

Now if you really hate him, and it's a kind of strategy to enable him right to his grave, I'm down with it. I don't necessarily advise it, but I can fully understand it. Rush is a bad man. Perhaps he does need to die.

But in general, in dealing with addicts, if you care, you don't enable. You give them the courtesy of respecting them as adults and you allow them to hit bottom, in order to give them the opportunity to re-build their lives.

Rush is unlikely to ever be healed unless he goes to prison. Everywhere else, he is cushioned by his wealth from the consequences of his actions. Prison may honestly be his only chance to be with people from every walk of life and to get away from those who coddle him because of his great wealth. I'm not clear on why we are helping him to cheat him of this chance.

Poor and even middle-class people can hit bottom and change in the world. A man as wealthy as Rush can't. It's easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye than for a rich man to reach the kingdom of heaven.

Just my rambling two cents.

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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:45 AM
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50. Hurtful taunts and gloating does not pass for intervention
I'm only talking about is the hurtful taunts that apply to all addicts and hurt a lot more people than Limbaugh.

I believe in rehabilitation, not imprisonment for addicts. Why should I change my liberal values just for Rush Limbaugh?

Shame and humiliation is the #1 thing that keeps people from seeking the help they need.
Do you do this to everyone who is troubled?

Or do you only suspend your values when its more fun to not have any?
You people remind me of bullies on a schoolyard.
Way to show the world we're the better people!
:eyes:
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:31 AM
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25. So Rush is a "victim" now. Boy, this is a switch. I thought he
chided liberals and their "victim" mentality.

No one forced ol' Rush to take inordinate amounts of pills, he CHOSE to do it. Isn't that what Rush used to say? "We make choices in this world."

BTW, why didn't that blowhard go to a Pain Management Program? Because he liked getting high. He is a junkie.

Where is Marta? Isn't she his 3rd or 4th wife? I forget because there are so many.

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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:48 AM
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31. So you embrace what he preaches?
Because you are certainly talking like you do.
By criticizing him in the same way he criticizes others, you put yourself on his level and become the very hypocrite you accuse him of being.

You become just as small as he is.
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put out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 07:08 AM
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33. Pardon me for pointing something out to you.
He was not addicted to drugs prescribed for him. He, in essence, stole them. He wheeled and dealed and doctor shopped to feed his addiction. He incited others to do criminal acts in order to maintain his addiction and avoid discomfort. He lied and lied about what they were originally prescribed for, and I mean the legitimate prescriptions.

Do you ever wonder how many people suffered pain because Rush ended up with all those drugs intended for them? Talk to me about compassion much later, when this story unfolds. My only concern is for the victims he left in his wake.
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 07:31 AM
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35. Are you suggesting
that there is an OxyContin shortage and people who needed them were unable to get them because of Rush Limbaugh?

Are you trying to have me believe for one second that Big Pharmaceutical doesn't over-produce, over-prescribe, over-charge, and flood the market?

Also, if Limbaugh didn't start out taking them for a legitimate back condition, then why did the prosecutor raid his doctors' offices?

I'm not saying he didn't abuse them.
I'm not even saying that they might not have been neccessary.
But I do not believe he pursued using them recreationally from the beginning.

I think you are just looking for reasons to bring him down because you don't like what he says.
That is called a Witch-Hunt and its no different than what they did to Clinton over Monica Lewinsky.

This is not the way to defeat Limbaugh. We must do it with facts and intellectual firepower on the battleground of ideas. We must meet him on his turf and shoot him down issue by issue.

Otherwise we really haven't won where it counts.
We will have succeeded only in shutting him up, not discrediting what he says.

If drug use was the only issue he talked about, then perhaps it would be different.

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put out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:06 AM
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37. No, I am not saying there is a shortage.
I have no way of knowing, at this early hour, how much of that drug is produced. However,the drug is very tightly controlled. Physicians prescribing it, especially in large amounts, are scrutinized; many, therefore, are reluctant to prescribe it even for people who truly need the pain relief the drug can provide. Why did he need four doctors to prescribe them? And why did he (by news reports) have so very very much?

You may be right in that he wasn't using them recreationally in the beginning. I have no way of knowing that, either. He probably built up a tolerance to them, completely normal and expected. However, he continued to use and use when he could have sought medical help for a controlled withdrawal.

And, yes, I am saying that that drug can be difficult for people in great pain to get, and part of that is because of addicts like Rush abusing it, and addicts like Rush buying it off the streets, and addicts like Rush violating the physician/patient relationship by lying to get the drugs they want, and physicians know this and fear for their licenses. Because of people like Rush.

I am not trying to bring Rush down, and I don't think that's my mission in life. I don't like what he says, true. But he did hurt people in ways I think you may not have considered, and drugs are not the only issue there, either.

I disagree with you, but have enjoyed the exchange.
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #37
38. You have some very valid points
about illegal abuse making it harder to get a prescription.

I just want to make it clear, I am not standing up for what Limbaugh says here, I am just trying to follow my heart and excercise compassion so I never become a hateful person myself.

Hate consumes a person.

Here is an interesting experiment:
Consider the exact same situation, but instead put your favorite Democrat in it, your mother, father, sister, brother, someone poor and under-priveledge, whoever - so long as it is someone that you do not wish ill on. Then reconsider your feelings on the matter, and ask yourself if you are really being fair to the addict.

This is too serious a plague on our society and in our inner-cities to trivialize or dismiss on Rush Limbaugh's account.

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put out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:01 AM
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41. I don't dismiss it at all.
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 09:04 AM by put out
And I do understand that having hate hurts one's self.

I have known, and cared for, many people having a problem with their poisons. Poor people, family members, even Democrats. It wasn't an experiment, it was real life, and continues to be.

Some of them are very good people, caught in the trap of substance abuse. For them, compassion, empathy, encouragement, and patience.

For others, I wonder this: were they led to their drug because they are a/an (fill in the blank with an insulting term), or did their drug make them a/an (fill in the blank with an insulting term)?

My unprofessional opinion is that Rush is the former.

My edit for spelling, but I do mean what I say.





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kclown Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #35
39. This is not exactly a debating society
We're trying to win an election, not debating points.  When a
voter told Adlai Stevenson, Dem candidate 1952&1956,
"You are the choice of every thinking person", he
replied, "But Madam, I need a majority."
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #39
46. And to win an election
we need to be compassionate towards others and sensitive to the problems America is facing.
We must have solutions rather than cruel taunts and recriminations.

Dammit, people have to at least think we are pleasant people with good intentions.

Let's let Rush continue looking like an asshole instead of joining in with him.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:39 AM
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49. from personal experience
I have personal knowledge of friends who were denied adequate pain medication because opiates must be DEA reported. My friend's father was screaming in pain from cancer, begging to be killed for almost a year, because he could not receive pain medication. The entire reason that he was denied is because these drugs must be controlled because drug addicts steal them.

Indeed, when he finally got a prescription that allowed him to have some quality of life, he was warned that his script had a street value of $100,000 a year and he was not to mention its existence to anyone.

Even so, he was robbed of some of the medication.

If you think theft of precription drugs is not a big issue in this country, you have been very fortunate. When you are older, and more of your friends are affected by painful cancers like stomach cancer, I'm afraid you are in for a sad lesson.

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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #49
52. I agree 100%
and I never down-played this serious issue.

I am glad to see I am at least effecting a more serious discussion about it finally, instead of only mean-spirited taunts.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:24 AM
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45. he is NOT a victim of prescription drug addiction, please
Let us get our facts straight. He was paying professional drug dealers to exchange money for drugs in public parking lots. This is not prescription drug abuse. This is funding the theft of pain medication from cancer and other severe pain patients.

I have known several people to get addicted to prescribed medications. None of them hired others to buy drugs, that they would know to be stolen from other pain victims. They saw a doctor to taper off and toughed it out.

80 percent of Americans will suffer from back pain. I did for two decades. Somehow I managed to cope without stealing from cancer patients. Rush is an evil man. Have compassion for his victims, and then if there's something left over, have compassion for Rush. But true compassion would consist of wishing him to pay the consequences of his actions, so that he would be motivated to change; it is a false compassion that coddles and enables him, for you are leading him straight to an undignified OD on the toilet.

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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #45
48. So desperate people don't do desperate things?
Some of you guys are starting to sound more like Rush Limbaugh than even Rush Limbaugh.

He tells people who are hurting to "get over it" and "tough it out" too.
:(
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put out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:46 AM
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51. What you said, say it again.
I would love to see how this conversation unfolds. Evidently, everyone is mean, uncivil, has no compassion, plus is out to get Rush because, wait, we want to discredit Democrats.

Was that about it? I just want to make sure I am understanding.
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. I'm just trying to open some eyes
and some hearts.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:01 AM
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8.  Pigboy is unable to "suffer fools gladly" without his oxycontin fix.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:41 AM
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27. How about this for hypocrisy and irony combined?
Rush once pummeled Roy Clark when he was defending the Kennedy rape case. Who does Rush hire when he uh, got into trouble? Roy Clark - one of the best defense lawyers in the US.

Talk about a hypocrite?
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:55 AM
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40. "Gush" is now a mind-reader, too? Will wonders never cease!
And of course, as a law-breaker himself, "Gush" doesn't care if his criminal idol breaks an international law, or a federal law of condoning treason. Such a tired old shtick, his broken record of admiring bush's outlaw ways.

"Gush" is a buffoon, drooling over his cowboy baboon. :eyes:
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43. of course not and i don't know it either
The Biblical "evidence" for hell is shakier than I would like it to be when confronted with hypocrites like Rush.

It is clear to me that they are looking for every way possible to let him skate. He could have been arrested on the money-laundering charges over a year ago. The feds are just sitting on the paperwork and doing nothing, although the bank has already admitted to the structuring and turned over the documentation of his 30-plus illegal cash transactions. This is enough counts of structuring to put him away without parole for life, and yet the feds do nothing.

No wonder he thinks he is above the law. He is.
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