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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:19 AM
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Why is Bush* hiding the Saudi connection to 9-11?
- We know that the Bush family has close personal and business ties with the Saudi royal and bin Laden families. We know that at least 15 of the hijackers came from Saudi. We know that Bush* had the bin Laden family secretly flown out of the US shortly after 9-11. We also know that Bush* obstructed ongoing investigations into bin Laden and the royal family as soon as he took office.

- A cynic would say that Bush* is committing treason by aiding enemies of the United States by hiding the fact that Saudi financed the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

- What do you think?
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:22 AM
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1. My opinion...
...is that Saudi helped their long-time friends and business associates by sponsoring an attack on the US. Yes...I think the Bushies and certain groups within Saudi actually planned and executed the hijackings and attacks.

- Why would they do this? The answer is right in front of you.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:32 AM
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7. that is certainly plausible
if the house of saud goes down the busies could be in big trouble.

whatever the case i hope this gets the attention it deserves in the media.

i think it is something that all americans will be interested in.

peace
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:23 AM
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2. Well...I think it's because...
The Carlyle Group...
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:24 AM
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3. Bingo
Edited on Sun Jul-27-03 09:24 AM by ReadTomPaine
That is the perfect two word answer. "Carlyle Group"
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:27 AM
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4. That's part of it...
...but they are more a beneficiary than part of the planning group. It's difficult to say when things are kept secret.

- I believe there are many dots we could connect if we tried. Enron. Halliburton. Carlyle.

- But the Bush* media has helped protect the Saudis since right after 9-11. I don't recall any mainstream media source ever getting into the details of where the hijackers came from and how it was financed.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:30 AM
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6. Treason is an impeachable offense...
...and even many Republicans would agree that protecting those who killed 3000 on 9-11 would mean the downfall of the Bush* regime.

- The lies Bush* told to push us into war with Iraq are bad enough...but if it's found that he's protecting those who actually attacked us...he would be forced to resign.
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:39 AM
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14. He is protecting the Saudis, no question.
Edited on Sun Jul-27-03 09:41 AM by ReadTomPaine
As I recall, some dozen members of the Bin Laden family were given a chartered flight out of the country immediately after the events of 9/11. Given that people were being beaten by the FBI for simply being Middle Eastern, these people should have been detained and investigated.

BTW, I don’t feel Bush would ever willingly resign under any circumstances, he would have to forcibly be removed by some sanctioned US agency if it were found that he was unfit for office. Such an action is simply alien to him.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:53 PM
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28. Bush/Cheney personal security at the expense of our national security.
Treason, by any measure, IMHO.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:29 AM
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5. timming is everything in war. i think it could be part of the build up...
first they needed to get into iraq to be in position for the next steps?

if that is the case, i think saudi is the last step, after iran, syria... though things can change and i am only an outsider looking in but there are known elements in the neo-con cabal who see saudi as the prize and are on record.

on the other hand, maybe we realize we can't afford it? same idea that let saddam remain in power after gwI.

and then there is the fact that you raised, they are bidness partners.

it is a very good question though.

it DEFINATELY needs to be investigated.

peace
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:33 AM
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9. Read Palast and Consortium...
...to find the details of the relationship between the Bush family and the Saudis. They go back a long way.

- But many facts are staring us right in the face: the fact that 15 of the hijackers came from Saudi...that Bush* ordered an end to investigations...and now any mention of the Saudi connection has been edited from the 9-11 report.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:38 AM
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12. i am aware of those connections
i am also aware of how the bushes can backstab.

it could be one of 3 things...

1. they are protecting 'their' partners

2. they feel it is in the interest of the US to protect them

3. timming

i am not sure which it is right now... maybe all 3

peace
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:29 AM
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26. Now, didn't you read the script...
Egypt is the prize! Just kidding, PNAC blues!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:47 PM
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27. lol
so many countries to invade, so little time ;->

:hi:

peace
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:32 AM
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8. The Saudis are close personal friends of the Bushes...
In fact, I had read that Dorothy, George W's sister, had dated Prince Bandar a few years ago...Anyone got more facts on this...
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:38 AM
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13. Don't know about the dating...
...but the Saudis helped GWB* finance some offshore oil deals and other things.

- The Bushies say they can't release any of information about the Saudi Connection because of national security concerns.

- All of this sheds a new light on why Bush* did nothing about the many warnings he received before 9-11.
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:14 PM
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30. The Saudis and Iran Contra
Did you know that the Saudis were major (if not the major) financial contributors to Reagan/Bush's illegal wars in central america?

They were...And this fact is NOT hidden in the papers that Jr. Bush has put under lock and key. Imagine what we might learn if those papers were public....
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:35 AM
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10. The largest banks and investment firms
...are heavily dependent on the Saudis. The Saudis not only have huge investments in American banks but they are heavily indebted to American institutions as well. American multinational energy corporations and defense contractors have huge interests in Saudi Arabia. An anti Saud drift in American policy could have diastrous consequences financially and economically. These are the institutions that pull BFEE strings.

I also think there is certain amount of complicity in staging events to suit domestic political needs. The forbidden truth financial network supporting terrorism is nothing more than a continuation of the BCCI legacy of international corruption. This is the perverted underside of financial relations in which American, Israeli, Saudi, and Pakistani intelligence are allied.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:57 PM
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29. Very true.
I've heard that Saudi Arabia has $7TT invested in the US. Do you think that we've been threatened with having their investments liquidated if we turn on them?
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Chicagonian Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:37 AM
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11. The Saudi's do a LOT to support the U.S. economy.
They have billions upon billions invested in the U.S., and they gaurantee a free flow of oil into our addicted veins.

It's a monster of our own creation, and the sooner we wean ourselves from it, the better off we'll be, and the less power the saudi's will have over us.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:42 AM
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15. Agreed...and this is yet one more reason...
Edited on Sun Jul-27-03 09:43 AM by Q
...the Bushies have done nothing to get Americans to conserve energy and oil consumption. You'd think that would be the FIRST thing a president would do doing a 'time of war'.

- 9-11 was sponsored by Friends of Bush*. Bush* is now hiding that fact from congress and the American people. This is treason.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:58 AM
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17. Call it 9-11Gate
(Note to moderators: this article is meant for full distribution)


Call it 9-11Gate
By Mike Hersh


May 17, 2002 (Political Sanity/Mike Hersh) -- The Bush White House is trying to block investigations into the September 11th terror attacks. Democrats demand public investigations, but George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are desperate to prevent this.

Here's one reason: the Saudis hired several current and former top Bush administration officials. These officials looked the other way -- or worse -- before and after the Saudi-sponsored terrorist attacks.

Millions of Saudi dollars compromised the patriotism of top current and former Bush officials, including George W. Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush, James A. Baker III, and many others who work or worked in both Bush administrations.

Ties between the Bush and bin Laden families, the Carlyle Group and top Saudi officials let the Oil Royals beat the US like a rented camel.

How close are Bush family ties to Saudi Arabia? "Nowhere is the revolving U.S.-Saudi money wheel more evident than within President Bush's own coterie of foreign policy advisers, starting with the president's father, George H. W. Bush," according to the Boston Herald.

Jimmy Breslin says, "Our government knows ... that Saudi Arabians were the murderers on the planes on Sept. 11. The leader was this guy Atta, from Saudi Arabia, and he flew the plane into the north tower." Breslin concludes, "It's All About Oil."

Does all this Saudi oil money in the pockets of Bush's friends and family hurt us? The Boston Herald reports: "Those lucrative financial relationships call into question the ability of America's political elite to make tough foreign policy decisions about the kingdom that produced Osama bin Laden and is perhaps the biggest incubator for anti-Western Islamic terrorists."

Greg Palast examined "The CIA and Saudi Arabia, the Bushes and the Bin Ladens" on the BBC Newsnight program and asked, "Did their connections cause America to turn a blind eye to terrorism?" Palast identified Washington, DC suburb Falls Church, Virginia as a nest of bin Laden terrorists.

FBI documents obtained by the Guardian shown on BBC Newsnight and show that they sought to investigate two of Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington and a Muslim organization, the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, also known as WAMY.

National security agents confirmed that Bush ordered them to "back off" their investigations into the bin Ladens, WAMY, and other terrorists living nearby. Bush obsequiousness toward Saudis with alarming connections to terrorism is nothing new. Citing a document marked "Secret. Case ID - 199-Eye WF 213 589", Palast explained Washington field office special agents were investigating Osama Bin Laden's brother Abdullah Bin Laden and WAMY -- a suspected terrorist organization -- but Bush ordered them to "back off."

The Pan Am International Flight Academy reported suspicious behavior, and outlined the specific threat to the Bush FBI and FAA. The Bush administration spiked the warnings. Now they're denying they were warned with enough specificity.

According to a Minneapolis-St. Paul Star Tribune story published December 21, 2001: "Besides alerting the FBI about Moussaoui, the school's Phoenix office called the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) early this year about another student -- Hani Hanjour, who was believed to be the pilot of the plane that flew into the Pentagon on Sept. 11."

Look how specific the warning was over a month before the September 11th attacks: "Do you realize how serious this is?" the instructor asked an FBI agent. "This man wants training on a 747. A 747 fully loaded with fuel could be used as a weapon!" This was quoted from briefings to Congressional offices, as reported in the Star Trib. One of the suspicious men reported to the FBI flew the jet into the Pentagon. The other is about to stand trial for terrorism.

Pan Am reported suspicions about these men to the Bush FBI and the Bush FAA. Nothing happened. It looks as if Bush ordered the investigators to "back off" because Bush's family makes millions of dollars in business dealings with the bin Ladens and other Saudis, thereby jeopardizing our national security to coddle Saudis. Again, as reported in the Star Tribune:


"An FAA representative sat in on a class to observe Hanjour, who was from Saudi Arabia." Did this Bush official report Hanjour to the FBI? No. He "discussed with school officials finding an Arabic-speaking person to help him with his English, said Minnesota Representative Oberstar and others with direct knowledge of the school's briefings."


Rather than haul in this terrorist in training for questioning, the Bush FAA helped him learn to fly one of our jets into one of our buildings. Pan Am personnel weren't as trusting as the Bush administration, and sought to alert law enforcement.

The Star Trib reports: "When the instructor phoned, the FBI agent strongly urged him to pursue the matter but gave him the wrong agent to call, the sources said. The instructor made three more calls before reaching the right agent on August 15, the sources said. Moussaoui was arrested the next day and held on an immigration violation."

Despite these specific warnings, the Bush administration blocked FBI and other investigations into terror suspects including brothers of Osama bin Laden, operating in the very shadow of the Pentagon!

Palast and David Pallister wrote in the London, UK-based Guardian newspaper, on November 7, 2001, "US intelligence agencies have come under criticism for their wholesale failure to predict the catastrophe at the World Trade Centre. But agents complain that their hands were tied."

Bush concerns for Saudi sensibilities fatally compromised our national security. Pan Am reported suspicions about these men to the Bush FBI and the Bush FAA. Because Bush's family makes $millions in business with the bin Ladens and other Saudis, Bush ordered the investigators to "back off," jeopardizing our national security to coddle Saudis.

The pattern of deception and secrecy began months ago. Why did the Bush administration delay releasing the bin Laden videotape, and why did their translation omit or change critical passages? ABC News doesn't question why the Saudi police would help a so-called "dissident" meet with a supposed pariah bin Laden, but reports that on the tape, Harbi "tells bin Laden that in Saudi Arabia, several prominent clerics -- some with connections to the Saudi government -- made speeches supporting the attacks on America."

Despite two generations of Bushes slavishly serving Saudi interests, the arrogant oil sheiks escalate their demands and flout their support of bin Laden and terror. Saudi state-run media and top officials lash out at "U.S. media critical about the lack of Saudi support for the ongoing investigations." Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah micromanages the Bush Middle East policy.

The New York Times rang the alarm bell in an October 14, 2001 editorial called "Reconsidering Saudi Arabia." Our blood is on Saudi hands, because "money and manpower from Saudi Arabia helped create and sustain Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization."

According to this insightful editorial, "Saudi Arabia sponsor Afghanistan's ruling Taliban movement, along with Pakistan. Also, "The Saudi government has allowed Saudi organizations to funnel money to Al Qaeda and its terrorist network."

The Saudis supported our enemies when they "barred Washington from using Saudi air bases to launch attacks against Afghanistan." The Arabic News.Com reported, "The Saudi defense minister Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz has accused Zionism of being behind the media campaign against Saudi Arabia in the US. Whose side is Bush on?

Of course, Bush's Saudi masters oppress their women, and never allow their people the right to vote -- just as did the Taliban that the Saudis supported. The Bush administration helped a few dozen bin Laden relatives flee the US the same time they were trying to obscure their family ties to the Bushes.

Here's the smoking gun that links Bush family financial interests to the breakdown in national security on September 11th: Palast reports, "I received a phone call from a high-placed member of a US intelligence agency under George Bush...the agencies were told to 'back off' investigating the Bin Ladens and Saudi royals, and that angered agents."

The Bushes, James A. Baker III -- the fixer who helped Bush steal the election -- Dick Cheney, the Carlyle Group, and the band of Texas oil barons who have backed Bush's political career wanted a pipeline built through Afghanistan. Like his father before him, Bush placates his Saudi masters like some appointed colonial satrap.

Saudis led the terrorist attacks on September 11th, but rather than directing the focus at them, Bush attacked Afghanistan -- the poorest, weakest nation in the region. He said this was to bring back bin Laden "dead or alive" -- but recently Bush said that's no longer a priority. If it ever was. Then why did we attack Afghanistan?

The BBC and other international media report many of Bush's top campaign contributors have been trying to build a pipeline through Afghanistan. They negotiated with the Taliban for years. When talks broke down, the Bush administration stepped in threatening to carpet bomb Afghanistan if the Taliban blocked the deal.

This doesn't explain why our administration is still taking orders from the Saudis. Bush can only serve one nation: the US or Saudi Arabia. How much American blood will Bush risk for Saudi oil? The Bush people are "either with us or against us." The Saudis are not "with us." Which side are the Bushes on?

Official Arab sources are even more specific about lack of Saudi cooperation with our efforts to combat terrorism. The Arabic News.Com reported, "The Saudi defense minister Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz has accused Zionism of being behind the media campaign against Saudi Arabia in the US."

The same source reported: "Saudi Arabia has refused to comply with a US request to freeze bank accounts Washington suspects that they have links to certain terrorist groups." Saudi officials see nothing wrong with their support for terror and their obstruction of American efforts to combat terror. They dismiss even deferential questioning of their pro-terror activities as "Zionism" in the US media.

As usual, Bush's mouthpieces are trying to blame President Clinton for these security lapses. This ignores the facts. The Clinton Administration took strong and certain steps to protect us from terrorism. As the Washington Post reported, President Clinton threatened the Taliban with sure retribution:


"Assistant Secretary of State Michael A. Sheehan, the department's counterterrorism coordinator, delivered the new message directly to the Taliban. He telephoned Foreign Minister Ahmed Waqil and read him a formal declaration known as a demarche. 'If bin Laden or any of the organizations affiliated with him attacks the United States or United States interests,' he told Waqil, 'we will hold you, the leadership of the Taliban, personally accountable. Do you understand what I am saying? This is from the highest level of my government.'"


President Clinton held a loaded gun to back up his ultimatum. Again, according to the Washington Post: "The Clinton administration ordered the Navy to maintain two Los Angeles-class attack submarines on permanent station in the nearest available waters, enabling the U.S. military to place Tomahawk cruise missiles on any target in Afghanistan within about six hours of receiving the order."

President Clinton had two nuclear submarines aimed at the Taliban, and he told them so. Clinton was poised to fire missiles at any location where our agents spotted bin Laden. Bush ordered those submarines to stand down.

Bush coddled the Taliban because his father and friends were trying to build a pipeline through Taliban territory. President Clinton didn't put a pipeline over protecting our people. He read the riot act to the Taliban. He directly threatened to counterattack them if bin Laden attacked us.

Other Republicans are complicit in selling out our security for greedy gain. Al Gore led a commission to improve air security in the US, but the Republican Congress blocked this. Gore stressed action against bin Laden in his 2000 Campaign Platform. He would have continued Clinton-Gore policies holding the Taliban accountable while pursuing Al Queda.

From the 2000 Democratic Platform:


"Battling Terrorism. Whether terrorism is sponsored by a foreign nation or inspired by a single fanatic individual, such as Osama Bin Laden, Forward Engagement requires trying to disrupt terrorist networks, even before they are ready to attack.

"We must improve coordination internationally and domestically to share intelligence and develop operational plans. We must continue the comprehensive approach that has resulted in the development of a national counter-terrorism strategy involving all arms and levels of our government.

"We must continue to target terrorist finances, break up support cells, and disrupt training. And we must close avenues of cyber-attack by improving the security of the Internet and the computers upon which our digital economy exists.

"As President, Al Gore will tolerate no attack against American interests at home or abroad: terrorists must know that if they attack America, we will never forget. We will scour the world to hunt them down and bring them to justice."


Like Bill Clinton, Al Gore would have done all he could to prevent the attacks. George W. Bush cannot say that. Al Gore would not have sold out our security to Saudi Arabia as Bush did. Bush lifted the Clinton-Gore protections. He reversed these policies. Our enemies saw Bush's weakness as their opening and attacked. Bush is to blame for September 11th. That's what Bush is trying to hide from the American people.

CBS News, The Washington Post and Newsweek report Bush wants all inquiry into September 11th limited to the House and Senate intelligence committees which keep their proceedings secret. On May 16, 2002, CBS Evening News quoted Senate Leader Tom Daschle stating that Cheney repeatedly pressured him to keep quiet about September 11th.

Daschle refuses to bow to the pressure, saying: "Intelligence is just a piece of it. People need to know what happened." Bush rejected this answer, and had Vice President Richard Cheney threaten Sen. Daschle to keep quiet. "Press the issue, Cheney implied, and you risk being accused of interfering with the ."

Senator Robert Torricelli also wants a broad and public inquiry: "We do not meet our responsibilities to the American people if we do not take an honest look at the federal government and all of its agencies and let the country know what went wrong."

Bush ordered our national security agents to "back off" the bin Laden terrorists. A former CIA agent appeared BBC TV saying: "We were just told, 'You get caught spying on the Saudis or looking into their affairs, and you will lose your head!'"

When Representative Cynthia McKinney asked "Why then does the administration remain steadfast in its opposition to an investigation into the biggest terrorism attack in history?" the White House sent its attack dogs to ridicule McKinney.

Bush's spokesman Ari Fleischer laughed: "The congresswoman must be running for the hall of fame of the Grassy Knoll Society." Now Fleischer is denying Bush had specific warnings about the September 11th attacks. We know that's just not true.

The Bush administration is trying to lean on and laugh off our elected officials who demand answers. We're not laughing. The terrorist attacks were a massive, tragic failure. Our Defense Department failed to protect its home, the Pentagon itself. We cannot afford secrecy over security.

To prevent future terrorist attacks, we must understand what went wrong leading up to September 11th.

You can help.


Demand a full public Congressional investigation.

Call Congress at (202) 224-3121.

Write letters to the editor demanding they investigate and report this story.

Go to this website: http://bushoccupation.com and print, copy and distribute the article.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:56 AM
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16. Little people vs the Saudis who deal
One thing is obvious, the Carlyle Bechtel Halliburton Enron and various Societies and organizations who work together with the administration deal with the rulers of Saudi Arabia and we know that it is for the benefit of them - only. In Saudi Arabia, all citizens appear to benefit from the riches of the leaders and the oil profits. In this country, the little people pay for the agenda of the cabal and the cabal is doing nothing for their citizens...look at the soldiers for oil (who used to think that they were defending democracy) and the policies towards those soldiers for just one glimpse of what is going on. Tie it in with another posting here about DeLay fighting a hike for a paltry death benefit for these oil soldiers.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:00 AM
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18. US ARMS SALES - SAUDI ARABIA
US ARMS SALES - SAUDI ARABIA

The following are excerpts from weapon sales profiles from fas.org

Saudi Arabia - Country Profile

Saudi Arabia is America’s top customer. Since 1990, the U.S. government, through the Pentagon’s arms export program, has arranged for the delivery of more than $39.6 billion in  foreign military sales to Saudi Arabia, and an additional $394 million worth of arms were delivered to the Saudi regime through the State Department’s direct commercial sales program during that same period. (Foreign Military and Construction Sales and Direct Commercial Sales are recorded and published by the Dept. of Defense in Foreign Military Sales, Foreign Military Construction Sales and Military Assistance Facts; the most current online edition includes information through FY 1999.)

Oil rich Saudi Arabia is a cash-paying customer.  It receives no U.S. military assistance to finance these purchases, although it does demand that about 35 percent of all major contracts be "offset"-that is, economic benefits equaling 35 percent of the arms contract value must be steered back to the Saudi economy. (Check out the Offsets Monitoring Project for more information on this phenomenon.)

Following the 1990-91 war against Iraq, more than 5,000 U.S. troops and thousands of U.S. military contractors have been continuously based in Saudi Arabia. However, several concerns have been raised about this close military cooperation and the related sales of sophisticated arms. These concerns are:

* sophisticated arms sales to Saudi Arabia spurring regional arms races
* high level military expenditures undermining stability
* opposition to American military presence on Saudi soil
* political repression and violations of human rights
* border disputes and regional tension
* concerns about proliferation of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles
* support for international terrorism


Sophisticated arms sales to Saudi Arabia spurring regional arms races

With billions of petro-dollars, Saudi Arabia has been buying very modern, deadly weapons from America. - fas.org
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:07 AM
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20. Please, DUers...read the entire Hersh article...
...copy and pass it on.

- Everything this illegal and illegitimate admin has done is connected to Saudi and 9-11. It's very important we keep the heat on high about this issue.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:07 AM
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19. Saudis and Cheney Energy Taskforce
it has been strongly suggested that one of the main reasons why the energy papers are being suppressed is that the Saudis were heavily involved.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:15 AM
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21. it's the elephant in the living room

it's common knowledge, it's right there in front of everyone's face, why do they even pretend to hide it? it's the big awful nasty truth no one dare speak aloud. it's the 28 redacted pages from the 9-11 report. the saudis. say it again, the saudis.

there ain't no such thing as democracy in saudi arabia. it's owned and operated by kings and princes. some of the saudis are religious radical extremists, who for various reasons, really do hate america.
15 of the so called hijackers were supposedly saudis, so we attack afghanistan? when that bombed out, it morphed into iraq, just as osama morphed into hussein. why oh why, have we not INVADED saudi arabia and DISARMED them and brought about a REGIME CHANGE?

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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:19 AM
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22. The national energy policy work product...
...was indeed hidden for a reason.

- But what can we expect from the most secretive government in US history?

- The Bushies are getting richer and American soldiers and Iraqi civilians are dying to benefit Bush's* political career and the profits of Friends of Bush.

- This is horrible. It's horrendous. It's impeachable.
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:24 AM
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23. Oil deals and weapons- the Carlyle Group
$$$$$$ in their eyes.

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:04 AM
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24. There are three governments in this country
The one we're taught about in our youth - a government of the people, for the people, by the people which we now know was grown-ups lying to us and publishers putting it in print and flag makers making a nice profit.

Then there is the one that is the grand farce - your representatives in Washington are working for you - your vote counts - our military are there to defend us - a free press.

Then there is the real govornment - the heritaged and corporate wealthy who use everything they can to control the world. They bought the media, they got the CIA and FBI to work for them. They make you think they are fighting illicit drugs. They groom judges, lawyers, civic employees, editors, news people, guest experts, liars to fill every post that will benefit them. They court abortion haters and gun lovers and less government lovers and constitution haters and who knows how they court those young military recurits. They partner with born agains. They claim that ONLY THEY have a right to this country.

They have their own agenda apart from the American agenda of our delusion. Theirs is very practical - no throbbing loyalties - just meat and potatoes, wealth and control and keeping it hidden.

You take out one aircraft and you only take out from 250-350 humans including an unpaid for aircraft and their crews, plus the job security of the people who worked for those airlines. And then people forget about it quite soon. Why not take out four times that, plus people on the ground and some architectural stuff at the same time - and oh yes - punish those liberal New Yorkers while you're it.

So if Al Queda did it on their own, how do you think they chose?

I'm just a person who is angry at the lies that were told to me when I was young and that we're still telling our youth. What we've got doesn't match what we're supposed to be. Let start over with truths.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:27 AM
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25. The truth will set Bush* free...
...a kick for the morning people.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:46 PM
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31. Bin _Laden _family, _Saudi _Arabia _corruption
Bin _Laden _family, _Saudi _Arabia _corruption
and _support _of _terrorists, _connections _to _Bush
by Paul Thompson

Excerpts:

January 2000:  Former President George Bush Sr. meets with the bin Laden family on behalf of the Carlyle Group. He had also met with them in 1998 (see November 1998 (B) ), but it's not known if he met with them after this. Bush denied this meeting took place until a thank you note was found confirming it . < Wall Street Journal, 9/27/01 ,Guardian, 10/31/01 >FTW

January 21, 2001:  George Bush Jr. is inaugurated as the 43rd US President, replacing Clinton. The only major figure to permanently remain in office is CIA Director Tenet, appointed in 1997 and reputedly a long time friend of Bush Sr. FBI Director Louis Freeh stays on until June 2001. Numerous figures in Bush's administration have been directly employed in the oil industry, including Bush, Vice President Cheney and National Security Advisor Rice. It is later revealed that Cheney is still being paid up to $1 million a year in "deferred payments" from Halliburton, the oil company he headed. < Guardian, 3/12/03 > Enron's ties also reach deep into the administration. < Washington Post, 1/18/02 >

September 13-19, 2001: Members of bin Laden's family and important Saudis are "driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret assembly point in Texas and then to Washington from where they left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks." The flights to Texas and Washington occur before the national air ban is lifted. < New York Times, 9/30/01 >The Tampa Tribune reports that on September 13, a Lear jet takes off from Tampa, Florida, carrying a Saudi Arabian prince, the son of the Saudi defense minister Prince Sultan (see August 2001 (G) ,August 31, 2001 ,August 15, 2002 ), as well as the son of a Saudi army commander, and flies to Lexington, Kentucky, where the Saudis own racehorses. They then fly a private 747 out of the country. Multiple 747s with Arabic lettering on their sides are already there, suggesting another secret assembly point. The Tampa flight left from a private Raytheon hangar. < Tampa Tribune, 10/5/01 >(Raytheon's name keeps coming up in relation to 9/11 (for instance, see September 25, 2001 ).) Prince Bandar, Saudi ambassador to the US, helps move the bin Laden family out of the US. < London Times, 11/25/02 >Ron Motley, the lead lawyer in a 9/11 lawsuit against many Saudis, points to the flights during the air ban as evidence that Saudis are "protected by the Bush administration" because of "oil." There have been conflicting reports as to whether the FBI interviewed these people before they left the country. Osama bin Laden's half brother, Abdullah bin Laden, stated that even a month after 9/11 his only contact with the FBI was a brief phone call. < Boston Globe, 9/21/01 ,New Yorker, 11/5/01 >The existence of these flights during the air travel ban is now usually referred to as an urban legend. < Snopes, 3/19/02 >

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/AAsaudi.html
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:52 PM
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32. Bush confronts Saudi leader on Iraq, Afghan aid concerns
Bush confronts Saudi leader on Iraq, Afghan aid concerns

ASSOCIATED PRESS

Associated Press
Wednesday August 28, 2002

CRAWFORD, Texas — President Bush confronted Saudi Arabia’s top diplomat yesterday over Iraq and other issues chilling relations between the uneasy allies, calling Saddam Hussein "a menace to the world."

In an hour-long session with Saudi ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Bush expressed exasperation with the kingdom for failing to meet its commitment to provide financial assistance to the new government in Afghanistan.

Bush also cited "crying humanitarian concerns" as he accused the kingdom of dragging its feet in response to children abducted from the United States to Saudi Arabia.

The president did not sway Bandar on Iraq; U.S. officials said the Saudis still oppose potential military action against the Iraqi president.

Just hours before the meeting, Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah’s foreign policy adviser said U.N. inspectors can contain any threat posed by Saddam "without firing a single bullet."

"There is no country I know of supporting the use of force in Iraq at this time," Adel el-Jubeir said in an Associated Press interview in Washington. "Your allies in Europe don’t. Your allies in the Middle East don’t." - http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/96/3/05_1.html
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