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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 04:45 AM
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The Scoop/Diebold UBERPOST: Ratings and Rantings from the South Pacific
WARNING... OK.. me main man Utunga will kill me for doing this but the following is a bit of a blurt.

1. We need a new media monitoring thread... the old one is getting too long.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

...it is now so long that it would probably be easier if someone created a post with Diebold Media Monitoring Thread and called it number (1) so we can all navigate this a bit easier..

HERE BEGINS THE UBERPOST...

The Scoop/Diebold UBERPOST: Ratings and Rantings from the South Pacific

CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED...


HEYDU!!!!!! and Bev...
HEYDU!!!!!! and Bev...
HEYDU!!!!!! and Bev...
HEYDU!!!!!! and Bev...
HEYDU!!!!!! and Bev...

Downunder reporting in...

Firstly big ups to the Washpost.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42928-20...

Is a good story. And lets be having dozens of followups answering the questions posed.

But bouquets aside.

"Rubin was able to get the computer code through a fluke. The code was initially posted on a public Internet site and downloaded by concerned activists this year. Rubin and two doctoral students began analyzing the code this summer."

Fluke!!!!! And activists!!! Some people!!!!

There has been so much work done by so many people on this... and they call it a fluke. Morevover I am not an activist. And nor is Bev methinks, leastways half of her isn't.

Bev e is a tenacious investigative journalist with a soul of pure gold on the trail of the most important story since eve told adam he had no clothes on.

I imagine that statside you will all be waking up soon...

Please DUers, if you will, indulge me this post. I promise from here on in - if you let me stay - to confine myself to a briefer form of discourse.

But today is a special day. A triumphant day. And I have a lot to say.


......

Consider yourself introduced to the DIEBOLD UBERPOST.... there is much more....

......

EVERYBODY...


THIS IS JUST AWESOME...

THIS IS JUST AWESOME...

THIS IS JUST AWESOME...

THIS IS JUST AWESOME...

THIS IS JUST AWESOME...

THIS IS JUST AWESOME...


DU Rocks. Bev Rocks. The Internet Rocks......

I may be blowing my own trumpet a bit (touch wood) but I reckon this is the Internet news coup of the decade. Matt Drudge's scoop on Lewinsky is the last thing that would come close. When I saw the story in the NYT I started levitating. We have all waited so long for this story to finally move into the mainstream of the media flow. Greg Palast's outstanding work has even found it hard. But with Greg's solid gains over the past year I reckon the time is now ripe for this story to finally do what it always should have done, become the No. 1. political issue in America. The integrity of the voting system. Afterall without a voting system you can trust what good is democracy?

And when the dust finally settles Bev ought to have a pulitzer or 10 for this...... because if you listen very closely you can hear those walls are now a tumbling down....


8888888888

About here the DIEBOLD UBERPOST starts to get a bit technical... but fear not there is much more of the like of the above ... and lots of comments about how great DU is at the end..

&&&&&&&&&&

ON THE SUBJECT OF MEDIA MONITORING I HAVE A REQUEST..

I would like to draw your attention to another link you haven't had up in the previous thread that I've seen so far.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat...

Bev's story is lead feature story with, Greg Palast's serial on Florida no.2 and Washington Post third..

This is the perfect place to be on this page. And this is the perfact page.

It is a very authoritative page in Internet terms and Google terms because it is so old... And because it is the source of the introduced headlines that are assigned to the top rating yahoo news pages.

We now want 1. more links on this page - much more. And 2. we want this page to start to rock, with a link to it from the front of Yahoo - which is when this page will start to weave its special kind of magic.


*************

HERE IS WHERE WE GET INTO THE BOWELLS OF THE INTERNET TRAFFIC GAME...

I also have a couple of requests for people to carry out to help. The next but of the DIEBOLD UBERPOST concerns a few objectives that are worth achieving plus a long discursive discussion of how much Bev has been read so far. And how far we have to go.... which is, a very long way.


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OBJECTIVE 1: GETTING BEV ONTO THE FRONT PAGE OF YAHOO.
The No.1 News Page in the internet world.

My prayer for the day from a net exposure POV is now to get

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat...

Linked on the Front of yahoo...

http://www.yahoo.com /

in the "In The News" section..

This should not be too hard. They often use this space to link to Full Coverage Pages...
So lets ask them nicely and see if they oblige.

You can ask them to do this here...

http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/news/cgi_fullcoverage

Legitimately it is one of the top three global stories now methinks.

Once a conduit to Yahoo Traffic Central is opened Bev will then start to get several hundred people reading her story each hour. Up from
around 200,300 presently.

At present Buzzflash are doing a great job as are WhatReallyHappened.com.... who rock seriously. If you are watching thanks people.

And Symbolman.Takebackthemedia could do big things with this.

Everybody else... the objective now is to BLOG POST AND EMAIL... everywhere..

Bev's last scoop..

Inside A U.S. Election Vote Counting Program
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

Has, as of about six hours ago, received 89,346 views on Scoop, Whatreallyhappened & blackboxvoting.com (see stats below).

And it has been linked all over the planet. I would think it must have reached at least a half a million people maybe more.

As Ali G. Would say, "check it..."

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Inside+A+U.S.+Electio...

What this means is that we have a long way to go. 10s of millions of people have now read Diebold's retractions and fumbling.

We want to reach these people with the real deal. It will realistically take the "established media" a long time to catch up. And it is our job to blaze the trail so they can find their way.


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OBJECTIVE 2

We want Bev's Scoop to climb the BLOGDEX, POPDEX and DAYPOP - all the way to the top.

These are all hugely influential, both in influencing traffic, and probably more importantly, in getting the
wider media, independent and turncoat alike alert. And this is something we can achieve. Do you know any bloggers. Send them a line or 10.

Those interested in the anatomy of internet traffic spikes should have a close look at

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00110.htm

It contains links to the BLOG MONITOR archives for the big one.. Bev's last scoop.

The data on the bottom of this page is real interesting and a huge number of the links are to DU discussion threads.
(tip: You can find these by viewing the page source.)

**************

OBJECTIVE 3: GETTING DIEBOLD INTO GOOGLE PRISON

(This bit turns into a bit of a rave so jump to objective 4 if you already know all about Google Prison and think it childish. It also turns into a bit of a skite if you follow the links - so sorry in advance for any conceit you may encounter.)

Google Google Google, where to start.

We need to stick Diebold in Google Prison. It will be there soon. In Google news it already is there,

See..
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=d...

For newbies to the term,

Google prison is when if someone searches for your name or a common term - like AWOL - then
they will find a damning indictment of your sliminess.

For example there is

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pug+winokur&sa=N&t...
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=herbe...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=...

A particularly unpleasant individual who seems to be a fascist no matter which way you look.

Here are some more familiar examples involving the Chimp
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=AWOL
Go. AWOLBUSH.COM!!!!
and
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=...
Don't you love independent media online! Thank God for the internet.

Meanwhile the chimp himself is almost behind bars
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=georg...
Go BUSHORCHIMP.COM!!!

It looks as though executive office is the only thing that has saved him so far.

But back to the objective Diebold should already be sunk on the basis of the massive response to Bev's first Scoop.

Again the technique for achiveing this objective is the same

BLOGIT POST AND EMAIL...

At present in the Google court Bev's 12 November Story "Scoop: Diebold - The Face Of Modern Ballot Tampering" Is presently on Diepold Google Page 2.
http://www.google.com/search?q=diebold&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF...

So to recap, as soon as a Diebold Security flaw story tops this page then Diebold will be behind bars...
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=diebo... (I.E. Google Diebold Page 1)

And once there they Where they will join the likes of the Columbian bioterrorists and Bosnian sex slavers CSC DYNCORP.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=CSC+D...

(I would like at this point in the UBERPOST to pay a small tribute to Catherine Austin Fitts who introduced me to the concept of Google Prison. Google prison is useful as a means of assessing Google's integrity. If it starts suddenly to set all manner of evil-doers free then we will know it has been got to.




****************

Meanwhile... back to the UBERPOST...

--- Did I mention that you can now read Bigger Than Watergate in German.

Schlamm Bericht #154 - Grer als Watergate!
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00102.htm

Many thanks to Daniel Patrick Welch.. A true patriot whom you can find very well - like all good things with Google.


************

THE CURRENT STATE OF PLAY

The current stats on overal ratings on Scoop are..

Pages Exposure %Total Views
1. Inside the Black Box
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm 76122 9.88
2.Bigger than watergate
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00064.htm 54565 7.08
3.Bald Lies
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/Wo0307/S00277.htm 8743 1.13
4.SYSTEM INTEGRITY FLAW DISCOVERED AT DIEBOLD ELECTION SYSTEMS
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0302/S00052.htm 7956 1.03
5.Blackboxvoting mirror of inside us vote
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/scoop/S00065.htm 6723 0.87
6.What reallyhappended.com mirror of inside us vote
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/insideusvote.html 6501 0.84
7. What reallyhappended.com mirror of inside vote
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/biggerthanwatergate.h... 5595

***************

I will update these periodically here so we can see how we are doing.

The important point to note from these stats (as aluded to above) is that we have a long way to go to reach even half the people online that were reached with the first story let alone the millions who read the papers today.

Meanwhile Bev's latest story:

"Voting Machines Blasted by Scientists, Hacked by Author"

http://www.blackboxvoting.org
and
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00198.htm

On scoop anyway has only recieved around 10,000 views so far.. While this is good,it is a long way off 89,000 views. Hence the request re Yahoo..

Bev has also posted it to 8000 media outlets I understand. But they will do nothing unless the public are banging on their doors making them do something.

Bev's latest contains much more damning, much more important, and a far bigger clue as to where this story is going than all the 200+ and stories about this in Google News. At present the latst Diebold line is that the CE Operating system is the reason the machines work better.... (The reason this is so laughable a notion is likely to emerge shortly.)

In short this story isa roadmap of questions we want the media to start asking. And they will not thank us for asking them to do so.

That's why we need to drill down with Blogs, emails, letters and phonecalls.... until they realise that their own (that is, each individual media's) community will not be ignored.

From a journalistic and moral perspective this story I can understand a little of what the media is going through on this story. I went through the same process when Bev first emailed me. It is so hard to deal with this story because it is like waking up one day and finding your bedroom awash with filth.

As a journalist the democratic political processes are our raison d'etre, readon to be. It is through influencing voter opinion that the Fourth Estate finds its station.

And so this story, is figuratively speaking, like waking up and suddenly finding that your favourite park has a river of sewage running through it.

Journalists and editors are effectively being asked to disect the turds on behalf of the community so we can all decide how toxic they are then figure out what to do about it.

*************

ENDNOTES....

If people and admin don't mind...

I can indulg you with some more raw data.. referrer logs these provide a bit of a meme map to the first story.

So See the next post.

Administrators.... if this is against the rules then please consider me sorry, I won't do it again.

The referrer logs will show you - how many people clicked through to bev's first story from a large number of locations.

ALTHECAT.

GLAD TO BE ON DU

YOU PEOPOLE REALLY ROCK...


P.S.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
THE FOLLOWING IS THE PREVIOUS THREAD IN THIS SERIES....

Many of the posts here are extremely insightful. PATRICK made some particularly acute observations I thought.

Which brings me to another task

It would be extremely useful if someone where to compile an index page for all the DU threads on this subject.

These threads are the living memory of how this story was written. I can understand well why Bev loves this place so much
and gives you the inside oil. Remember always.. the big scoop.. the story that opened this can of worms appeared here first.

For me, working this story You are colectively a bit like a set of extremely acute and aware senses.

Even for an UBERPOST this is far too long.

I will be around for the next few hours (and maybe years, if you will have me, at the very least through to N Day... and hopefully the fall of the Chimp.)
If people have any questions feel free.

And Check out the next post.. Bev's full referrer log! Featuring DU legendary posts and much much more.


****************

PPS....

I have posted the following request to Yahoo via...

http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/news/cgi_fullcoverage .

If any of you would care to follow my example we can make a difference!


Dear Yahoo Editors,

http://scoop.co.nz/mason/features/?s=usacoup

Hi... Yahoo... this is the link to our feature coverage of the Voting Machine Security Story... Could this please be linked in the...

US Elections Full Coverage page.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat...

We would be keen if you could stick it in the related Sites Section of the page. And if you have somewhere to put it there is also..

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/#usa

Which is the link to the Scoop Front Page section devoted to US Elections - At the moment it is focussed on the US Elections voting machine story but it will remain focussed on the US Elections through till the big day.


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PPPS.... there are an enormous number of unsung heroes in all of this without which none of this would have happened. These people know their computing shit in too many ways to name. They are the angels who brought us to this point. Unfortunately their role, for their own security, has to be largel anonymous at least for now.


To all the geeks out there who have been working on and replicating the UBERPUZZLE, the UBERPANDORA'S box that is the DIEBOLD FTP SITE FILES..... (And that means the ones that need to be cracked to be read) You have rocked my world. You are trancendtally and incandescently the REAL DEAL.


Kia Kaha DU
You Rock!
Still.

(NZ Maori for Stand Tall)

AND THAT REALLY IS THE END OF THE DIEBOLD UBERPOST...
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 04:59 AM
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1. UberRockz!!!
Get 'em....
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 05:07 AM
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2. Gee, Al...
... you'd think that with as big a story as this, you could be just a bit more enthusiastic.... :evilgrin:


Yeah, it's now got legs, in large thanks to you and Bev. I think a good catch-all device to keep the attention of the press would be something like "the Diebold Challenge," a way of forcing them to put their money where their mouths are. I suggested something like this yesterday-- nudge them into letting a non-partisan group grab a random machine which has been in service and ship it off to an ITA they did not use previously for a thorough workout to prove all their claims. I lamented that one couldn't make a citizen's arrest on a voting machine. Maybe one can, with the help of the press. Might talk to Bev about it.

Cheers, and thanks.

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 05:16 AM
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3. Great Idea... citizen's arrests on voting machines....
They would be a great stunt and everyone could do one... invite the local press and go visit the local election supervisor and make them take you to the machines :)

Very Michael Moore

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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:07 AM
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6. Guess what Diebold did? Quietly innoculated all their voting machines
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 09:14 AM by BevHarris
Yes, they have been quietly overwriting EVERYTHING, according to some information I got my hands on yesterday, dated May 2003.

The certified version of GEMS on the NASED site is 1.17.17, but they just slapped the 1.18 series onto all the Georgia machines (yet no officially posted list has this certified; I have no doubt it was recently recertified, though). The certified version on the touch screens was 4.1 but they just certifed 4.3 and slapped it onto all the touch screens.

What this does is wipe out what was on those machines during the elections.

However, their contention that the source code analyzed by the Johns Hopkins scientists was not theirs, or was badly out of date, or was not used in elections, will soon fall apart. (And I call your attention to the date they've been overwriting with new: that did exactly how much good re: the 2002 and 2000 elections, when they used the versions on their ftp site?)

I very, very seriously doubt that 1.18 and 4.3, respectively, have all those flaws cleaned up. Of course, we can't know because it's a secret...(sound familiar?)

So there is a plan for this, but the taking of a machine for examination isn't the simple answer. What they WILL have trouble with is trying to quarantine all the old CDs and memory cards which contain their programs and patches, which are scattered all over America.

allthecat: I love this quote, from your uberpost --

"Journalists and editors are effectively being asked to disect the turds on behalf of the community so we can all decide how toxic they are then figure out what to do about it. "

Bev
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:12 AM
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7. All machines? Everywhere?
Bet someone forgot to install the patches....

Hey, get to the main page. Think you've got Marcy Kaptur on your side:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Cheers.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:14 AM
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9. Someone please fill me in on Kaptur...
I posted this to the Media Monitor thread too..

You know if we organised ourselves here we could take NASA on.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. Marcy Kaptur is...
... a sort of working-class cum soccer-mom Representative to Congress from Ohio, who has a reputation for being a straight-shooter and being very much interested in the common man's interests. Well-regarded amongst progressives all over the country:

http://www.house.gov/kaptur/about.shtml

Cheers.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:12 AM
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8. I thought it one of my better lines...
:)
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:17 AM
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10. Another good line...
"Bev is a tenacious investigative journalist with a soul of pure gold on the trail of the most important story since eve told adam he had no clothes on."

Or was it adam who told eve? It's getting very late here.. what's the time over there...
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:17 AM
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11. Version changes?
Line-by-line comparisons would still show they didn't substantially change the code. One thing can be counted upon--they're greedy, lazy and stupid. Most of the faults would still be there. And, has anyone tested the machines after those changes? Run the stress tests? Done the fault analysis? Nope. Except maybe Shawn.... (yawn...).

Cheers.

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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #11
16. No no -- the ubiquitous Dr. Brit Williams is marketing himself
as the wonderful special tester on this.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:39 AM
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17. Brit Williams _is not_ an ITA!
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 09:46 AM by punpirate
Nail that!!!!!

On edit, changes in software require certification, yeah? Is Brit Williams a certified ITA? Nope. Requires re-certification, then, and not by bloody god Britain Williams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nail it. Collusion with the vendor, violation of Federal law, failure to meet state requirements. A software change requires recertification, period. Williams _cannot_ do this himself. Publicize it, go for it.


Cheers.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:26 AM
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12. Publicize the versions and date of change...
... and make damned sure that there is mention that the versions installed in May, 2003, would wipe out any previous versions installed at the time of the 2002 election. Who did the changes, and how were those changes transmitted to the customers? CD?
Direct ftp? Floppies? What were the instructions accompanying the version update? How was the update announced? Did _all_ the updates undergo new certification? By whom? Were the ITA certifications delivered to customers before they were instructed to make updates?

Etc., etc., etc.

Cheers.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:32 AM
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19. I agree with punpirate.. Lets get this angle packaged.
This is an extremely legit news angle on this story. And it could be a news story that is just a few paras long. Five even...

If we can provide contact numbers for media to phone sources. Then lets to it here and on Scoop. A proven formula.

If the sourcing is good on the upgrade work it is a the very very best... hugely inappropriate and looks like a shoddy coverup.

At best it will quickly become the key to the release of Diebold's real code version from Novemeber 2002.

That said. I wouldn't trust anything supplied by Diebold. So the circulating CDs etc... are needed anyway.

al

BTW...
http://scoop.co.nz/mason/features/?s=usacoup#usa

Is getting serious traffic at the moment 150 views an hour and rising. And this is directing news punters into this thread. Bear this in mind when discussing sensitive stuff.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. Taken under advisement....


Cheers.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:03 PM
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27. Anyone have the FEC Regs handy?
This news absolutely outrages me. If there's evidence of wrongdoing in the code, isn't this move obstruction of justice?

This move raises other questions as well. They have effectively destroyed the "evidence" of what software was actually on the machines in 2002. Isn't there a provision in the FEC regulations that election records can be destroyed after 22 months (and May wasn't 22 months), but does that apply to the software? It should. If not what records does it apply to?

Anyone have the FEC link handy for these regs? (I'm just not up to googling right now.)

Eloriel

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:39 PM
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29. Extremely good points Eloriel
Both of them...

Where is everybody?
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 03:57 AM
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36. Bev, what counties in 2000 election
Edited on Sun Jul-27-03 04:09 AM by nomatrix
were using GEMS? Diebold?

I think it would be a good idea to have a thread for 2000 election and 2002 election problems, failures, etc.

Example:
2000 Election
Bay County, Fla.
Optical (Precinct)
(R)Election Supervisor

THE POWER FAILURE THAT WASN'T

In Bay County's Precinct 23, more than 15 percent of all ballots were thrown out, the third-highest rate anywhere in the 26 counties. Sixty seven percent of the precinct's voters are registered as Democrats.

However, an examination of that precinct's audit tape, which lists power failures and machine malfunctions, showed the power had not failed. Bay County Election Supervisor Mark Andersen speculated that "bad pens" may have been used in the precinct, causing a high rate of ballots to be unreadable by the machine.

In most cases, election officials not only did not know why some precincts had much higher error rates than others, they were not concerned with finding out. Officials in most counties where those precincts were located said they had not examined their error rates or tried to identify the causes.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/orl-news...

Lots of Counties with problems in this story!






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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 06:51 AM
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4. Time to kick this up for the morning people...
... :kick:
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:57 AM
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5. Wonderful post -- but gave me credit for a couple other peoples work
Diebold: The Face of Modern Ballot Tampering is a story by Faun Otter, who did some excellent research into Diebold's corporate ownership and vested interests.

The assertion that my story is at the top with Greg Palast's should say, instead, Kohno, Stubblefield, Rubin, Wallach's story is at top.

What I did, more accurately, was work with researchers to create the story "Inside a U.S. Voting Machine" which drew, as you say, hundreds of thousands, and ultimately attracted attention to those ftp files, which were then downloaded and examined by many.

Then, Kohno, Stubblefield, Rubin, Wallach examined the source code and wrote THEIR story and then I did a killer press blast providing additional resources to the media to make sure they covered it more widely.

======================================

Thanks for those links. Diebold made a couple bad mistakes in their response to this. Their latest official rebuttals, if correctly quoted in the press, will prove incredibly helpful to this story. Will dissect that AFTER exploiting the holes they just opened up. You'll see.

Bev
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:28 AM
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13. OOOoops Sorry Faun... late night not enough coffee
It is indeed. But you are too modest and I am certain that once Diebold is in Google Prison it will be a Bev Harris Byline on the story.

Sorry Faun. Sorry BartCop...

BARTCOP.COM rocks... and your story rocks.

Diebold - The Face Of Modern Ballot Tampering - by Faun Otter
From: http://www.bartcop.com/diebold.htm & also on scoop
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0211/S00081.htm

With the imortal line

"You can't vote them out if....
You never voted them in. "

Bev, Are you familiar with Google Prison. I am not sure if it is a widely used term or not?

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:33 AM
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15. So I was not over the top
when I said on C-Span yesterday it was the crime of the century? At least I think I got it out before Brian cut me off.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:26 AM
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18. seemslikeadream
No you were most definitely not over the top. You know you can go listen to re-runs of yourself on C-Span...

Go to

http://www.c-span.org

Click on
Washington Journal Entire Program (07/25/2003)

And then scroll with the slidebar in streaming video to 26.09...
You call it the Story of the Century at the beginning. He cut you off at the end I think... no sign of Crime of the Century that I can see...

And if you had said it it would have been ok anyway.

:)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:42 AM
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21. Thanks to my new friend
yes now I remember. I was so nervous. I am a painfully shy person and it was extremely hard for me to get the words out. I know Brian and I thought for sure he'd cut me off too soon. I don't have sound right now on my computer and even if I did I don't think I've got the guts to listen to myself. I got alot of support from other people here when it actually happened and they were wonderful.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:45 AM
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22. Nah, nah, nah, don't worry...
... doing the right thing is never something to be embarrassed about.

Cheers.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:49 AM
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23. Brian looked pissed off and bored until your mentioned the NY Times...
Well since you didn't see it. Brian looked pissed off and bored with his subject choice of the day - what's up with the mooney's paper and Dick Cheney - and what story should be the lead.

And then you mentioned the NY Times article on electronic voting...

He sparks up, looks interested and he gave you a great deal of latitude while fiddling with the paper looking for the story. He might have held it up if he hadn't cut to a caller in texas. Do you think he cut you off>

While you were speaking he looked quite quizzical. It would be interested if his producer cut you off and not Brian. After you he went to someone from texas.





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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:22 PM
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25. I heard you

and thought 'ah, there's a women who has read Bev's stuff' and waved my hand in the air in joy.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:05 PM
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24. Two interesting new threads... One Old One New
Prisoner_Number_Six

An interesting thought concerning the theoretical hacked Diebold smartcard "keys to the kingdom" that have been mentioned in article after article-- what would happen if suddenly said keys (or concise directions on how to create them) were to flood the streets? That is to say, some no-doubt unscrupulous persons were to actually manufacture them and pass them out on streetcorners, or instructions were to be posted on web sites and in internet forums, etc.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

****

For the avoidance of doubt I am not advocating this. But it is a very interesting idea and it's consideration raises some interesting questions about certification.

****

Plus


Florida 2000_Election Fraud - Ani Yun Wiya

I can conclusively prove that fraud was committed in the State of Florida in the year 2000 Presidential election. The proof has nothing to do with disenfranchisement. The proof has nothing to do with uncounted ballots. Anyone interested in this information?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Bev and others... did this get followed up on. If so what were the conclusions. Was it consistent with a Diebold created screwup.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:24 PM
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26. kick
nt
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
28. How to get Yahoo to work better on the diebold story.... REQUEST FOR HELP
Please help get Yahoo to work better on the diebold story....From The Scoop/DIEBOLD UBERPOST

GO TO...
http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/news/cgi_fullcoverage .

CUT AND PASTE THE REST OF THIS Message into the box and submit... or write your own message.

....SNIP....

Dear Yahoo Editors,

RE: http://scoop.co.nz/mason/features/?s=usacoup

Scoop media broke Bev Harris's scoop story on US elections that us currently featuring in the features section of the

YAHOO! US Elections Full Coverage page

Scoop is THE SOURCE FOR breaking news on this issue and has been following it since November 2002.

I think the....

A Very American Coup - Scoop Feature Page link
http://scoop.co.nz/mason/features/?s=usacoup

Should be included in the related sites section of the page.
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 05:43 PM
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30. A kick for this one
n/t :kick:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 05:51 PM
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31. kick n/t
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:59 PM
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32. Kick
Kick
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:23 PM
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33. "Diebold Voting" - WashPost WEEK IN REVIEW : July 20 - 26
http://news.google.com/news?q=diebold+voting&hl=en&lr=&...

Firmly in Google News jail now... 207 stories on BBV so far. No sign of the limeys though that I can see.

WEEK IN REVIEW : July 20 - 26
Washpost

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48983-20...
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:57 PM
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34. Keeping it going....
....Kick
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 02:57 AM
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35. kick n/t
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