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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 08:50 AM
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Posse Comitatus won't prevent using military in civilian law enforcement.
Posse Comitatus Act won't prevent the US government from using the military in civilian law enforcement.

- Many of us have always thought that the Posse Comitatus Act would prevent a tyrannical government or president from using the military in civilian law enforcement. But as some of us have suspected...the law has been so severely eroded over the last two decades that all it would take is a biological or chemical attack on our soil to bring soldiers and tanks permanently to our cities and streets.

- It would be prudent to prepare yourselves for such a possibility...given the totalitarian nature of this administration and their penchant for secrecy.

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The Myth of Posse Comitatus

Major Craig T. Trebilcock, U.S. Army Reserve

October 2000

Excerpts:

The Posse Comitatus Act has traditionally been viewed as a major barrier to the use of U.S. military forces in planning for homeland defense.<1> In fact, many in uniform believe that the act precludes the use of U.S. military assets in domestic security operations in any but the most extraordinary situations. As is often the case, reality bears little resemblance to the myth for homeland defense planners. Through a gradual erosion of the act’s prohibitions over the past 20 years, posse comitatus today is more of a procedural formality than an actual impediment to the use of U.S. military forces in homeland defense. --- While the act appears to prohibit active participation in law enforcement by the military, the reality in application has become quite different. The act is a statutory creation, not a constitutional prohibition. Accordingly, the act can and has been repeatedly circumvented by subsequent legislation. Since 1980, Congress and the president have significantly eroded the prohibitions of the act in order to meet a variety of law enforcement challenges.

One of the most controversial uses of the military during the past 20 years has been to involve the Navy and Air Force in the “war on drugs.” Recognizing the inability of civilian law enforcement agencies to interdict the smuggling of drugs into the United States by air and sea, the Reagan Administration directed the Department of Defense to use naval and air assets to reach out beyond the borders of the United States to preempt drug smuggling. This use of the military in antidrug law enforcement was approved by Congress in 10 U.S.C., sections 371–381. This same legislation permitted the use of military forces in other traditionally civilian areas—immigration control and tariff enforcement. --- The use of the military in opposing drug smuggling and illegal immigration was a significant step away from the act’s central tenet that there was no proper role for the military in the direct enforcement of the laws. The legislative history explains that this new policy is consistent with the Posse Comitatus Act, as the military involvement still amounted to an indirect and logistical support of civilian law enforcement and not direct enforcement.

Congress has also approved the use of the military in civilian law enforcement through the Civil Disturbance Statutes: 10 U.S.C., sections 331–334. These provisions permit the president to use military personnel to enforce civilian laws where the state has requested assistance or is unable to protect civil rights and property. In case of civil disturbance, the president must first give an order for the offenders to disperse. If the order is not obeyed, the president may then authorize military forces to make arrests and restore order. --- What legal bar does the Posse Comitatus Act present today to using the military to prevent or respond to a biological or chemical attack on the soil of the United States? In view of the erosion of the Posse Comitatus Act in the past 20 years, the answer is “not much.”

The erosion of the Posse Comitatus Act through Congressional legislation and executive policy has left a hollow shell in place of a law that formerly was a real limitation on the military’s role in civilian law enforcement and security issues. The plethora of constitutional and statutory exceptions to the act provides the executive branch with a menu of options under which it can justify the use of military forces to combat domestic terrorism. Whether an act of terrorism is classified as a civil disturbance under 10 U.S.C., 331–334, or whether the president relies upon constitutional power to preserve federal functions, it is difficult to think of a domestic terrorism scenario of sizable scale under which the use of the military could not be lawfully justified in view of the act’s erosion. The act is no longer a realistic bar to direct military involvement in counterterrorism planning and operations. It is a low legal hurdle that can be easily cleared through invocation of the appropriate legal justification, either before or after the fact.

But does the act present a major barrier at the National Command Authority level to use of military forces in the battle against terrorism? The numerous exceptions and policy shifts carried out over the past 20 years strongly indicate that it does not. Could anyone seriously suggest that it is appropriate to use the military to interdict drugs and illegal aliens but preclude the military from countering terrorist threats that employ weapons of mass destruction? For two decades the military has been increasingly used as an auxiliary to civilian law enforcement when the capabilities of the police have been exceeded. Under both the statutory and constitutional exceptions that have permitted the use of the military in law enforcement since 1980, the president has ample authority to employ the military in homeland defense against the threat of weapons of mass destruction in terrorist hands.


http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/Trebilcock.htm
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 09:04 AM
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1. Remember back in '95
Edited on Sun Nov-30-03 09:06 AM by Maccagirl
when the RW was screaming that Clinton let Oklahoma City happen on purpose so that he could declare Martial Law? I really believe this country is so frightened that the repeal of Posse Comitatus won't be necessary to "keep us in line". One of the biggest changes I've seen with the media is their cheerleading for law enforcement-no matter what tactics they use. With the judicial system not providing a safety net anymore (a HUGE problem), I have no answers except to keep our eyes open and try to figure out how it all went so terribly wrong.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 09:22 AM
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2. Many Americans remain blissfully ignorant about this issue...
- Given that our government has been using the military in the 'war on drugs' for nearly two decades...little stands in their way to use it for 'homeland security'.

- I wouldn't be surprised if troops showed up on the streets during the 2004 presidential campaign and election.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 09:56 AM
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3. I suggest...
...that DUers put the linked article in their archives. There WILL be a time when we're going to be confronted with the military on our streets and we should be aware.
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