Is Bush going to do an Operation Orpheus??

[9215]

Is Bush going to do an Operation Orpheus?

A book by Al Martin "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra insider."
http://www.conspiracydigest.com/bookbushwhacked.html

snip
In a chilling precursor, Martin describes Operation Orpheus, a secret plan in the 1980s to fake a nuclear attack by Russia to cover up Iran-Contra misdeeds and install a military dictatorship in the U.S.

It was a similar plan to Operation Northwoods, another phony terrorism campaign which some of the late President Kennedy’s military advisors, led by then-Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, devised to help justify an invasion of Cuba in 1962 to overthrow Fidel Castro.

Among the ideas these U.S. government officials discussed were killing innocent Americans in cities and blaming Cuban "terrorists," blowing up U.S. ships and blaming Castro, blaming Cuba if the spaceship with John Glenn exploded , provoking a war by flying a plane over Cuba, and paying a Cuban official to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base. Kennedy rejected the phony campaign and was assassinated the following year. Some said military planners enraged by JFK’s rejection of Operation Northwoods could have participated in the assassination.
Now it seems as if Bush Jr. has accepted a similar plan – both bin Laden and Hussein were trained and financed by U.S. military and intelligence agents at one time, and both somehow escaped capture and death in the latest military operations.

Were deals made with bin Laden and Hussein? Is this "war on terrorism" as phony as the previous U.S. military schemes to justify invasions and funneling more funds to the military-industrial complex and even implementing a military dictatorship with Bush Jr. as head puppet today?


If Bush is going to try it he may be doing it soon. Iraq is going down the tubes and all this talk about declaring Martial Law if WMD's are used against the US has me wondering. Maybe we should all stop trying to expose his corruptions so as not to aggravate the situation. :evilgrin: :crazy:

I hope some CIA insiders that aren't "Feith based" will expose this shit, that is if they are able. :scared:

[Atman]

1. I thought he already did. n/t

.

[Minstrel Boy]

2. "Operation Orpheus"?

Is there a second source for this?

I don't see how faking a Soviet nuclear attack would go down well. A Soviet nuclear attack, faked or not, would require retaliation, which almost certainly would lead to MAD.

Attacks can be pinned on patsies only if the patsy, like Cuba or the oil-rich Islamic world, are incapable of lauching a devastating attack in their own right.

It's like the David Rovics song, "The Next Attack":

The next attack is coming
said Cheney to his men.
And if it isn't,
we can make one happen again.
Every war we've ever been in
was started with a lie.
And this war is good business
so today's the day for you to die.

[DUreader]

4. I'm confused on this, fake nuke, or real nuke blamed on USSR?

At this point it wouldn't surprise me much either way

[9215]

5. I was thinking of this wouldn't be a verbatim reproduction.

I'll look around for another source. He has it in his book, which I am considering buying. It is about "faking" a nuke hit and then declaring martial law. I suppose the Soviets would deny it and then Raygun could cruise along on the confusion. But I agree that it is a very risky proposition.....unlike a "controlled" terrorist attack
and defense against a phony enemy like Bush may be up to doing.

Bush wouldn't do Orpheus exactly like the original, he would modify it to fit present circumstances against Al Qaeda.

[Andy_Stephenson]

28. Dude

Get it! It is a must read!

[9215]

49. kick

[aquart]

7. Russia? Our ally? Pootie Poot?

Oh, you mean just something real big he could blame on terrorists.

Are you sure we'd have the same knee-jerk reaction we had last time?

I'm sure they talk about it all the time. Then someone says my daughter is in school there or my mother likes that place and they have to stop for ten minutes and think of a different part of their "homeland" to destroy.

Martial law, of course, pre-supposes you have troops.

What troops? Declare martial law and THEN call up the draft?

Uh..........What about Americans with guns?

Can you see the NRA twisting itself into a pretzel?

[camero]

18. The police are being militarized

It could very well happen. They wouldn't need a draft. They would just use the police and National Guard units.

[Old and In the Way]

3. Gee, Tommy Franks, coincidentally, was mentioning this very

thing yesterday.

I guess, if that happens and martial law is proclaimed, the terrorists have won.

[9215]

6. Franks statement is what jogged my memory about this.

Why would a general make a statement like he made without it coming from higher up? Franks said that Martial Law would mean the end of the Constitution. Eerry coincidence.

[Minstrel Boy]

12. Franks isn't just making this shit up,

of that I've no doubt. And I've no doubt Bush and Cheney are salivating at the thought of martial law. I mean hell, the US is half-way there already. How big a trigger do they need before they feel they can make it official? That's the question. And I'm not soon to forget Jeb's "joke" about exterminating San Francisco.

And what will the headline be? "Martial Law Declared. Terrorists Win."

[9215]

23. I should have edited my post

What I meant is that I thought Franks wouldn't have made comments like he did without some indication from higher up. I don't think he would make it up either.

[Minstrel Boy]

24. sorry, didn't mean to imply that you were

I took from your remarks that you believed Franks was passing on what he'd heard from Bush's circle. I should have edited my post to make that clear. :)

And it's coming. I've had little doubt for the better part of two years, and after reading Franks' remarks that doubt is gone. I'd assumed they'd steal the election. Now I'll be surprised if there's an election at all.

[rucky]

8. Has Al Martin Every Been Right....about Anything?

the man has zero cred

[9215]

22. I'll admit I'm a bit skeptical of Al Martin

When I looked up "Operation Orpheus" I saw where IndyMedia did something on it from Martin's book. The problem with his work is that it is all his own take. But, and I think this is important, most of his stuff that I saw in the table of contents has been corroborated elsewhere. But he is the only one I have found that discusses Operation Orpheus.

Good points.

[Andy_Stephenson]

29. Martin broke the story

of the Ambassador Wilson Affair on Sept. 2 regarding leaks coming from the White House.

[9215]

38. That true, but still I like corroboration.

It just makes me feel better.

But rucky would be doing us all a favor by telling us where Al Martin has been wrong.

What say you rucky?

[BiggJawn]

34. Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

Stole that from another thread.

I think Al Martin is Baron Munchausen re-incarnate, but he may be onto something here.

I could well imagine a scenario like "Operation Orpheus" being a favourite jerk-off piece of the PNACers...

[supercrash]

9. I read the book

And If I remember right...The nuclear attack was NOT fake...It was a plan that the Bush..Iran/Contra gang and the communist hard ballers in Russia, We would launch at each other and millions would die, The Bush gang would keep power...just like Franks describes, and the Russia right would sieze power..It was described as a plan for the both of them

[9215]

10. Now I'm beginning to wonder

Since it was in a book I assumed it would have credibility. Martin is ex-military I believe. But I have been unable to find this sourced by anybody else.

Do you have a copy of the book?

[supercrash]

11. Yes, I have the book on my lap

I will post the details of the operation in a couple minutes

[supercrash]

13. He starts by saying...

"What I am about to say I have never revealed publicly before"


The plan came out in a meeting in Miami in 1984, Jeb Bush, Oliver North, Donald Gregg, Fredrick Ikley, Nestor Sanchaz, Samuel Watson, were all there, Oliver gave the speech and detailed Operation Orpheus, He was explaining how mony was being diverted to rebuild various Civilain Inmate Labor Facilities(Kings county Washington, Paris County Texas, Lake Charles Parrish Louisiana, to name a few).

The operation was in case Iran Contra spilled out eary and all the details were public, it would be necassary to instituta a silent coup against the US government..This was a last resort plan if the liability couldn't be controlled, It would be Casey, North and Bush who would sieze power, Bush would be the President of the new Provisional Military Government of the USA...The pretext would be a limited nuclear exchange with the USSR, This would be in cooperation with certain hard right elements of the Russian military, Thats why there was so much contact with North and certain parts of the Russian military, The people who were eager to get rid of Gorbachev

North himself said there could be 50-70 million American caualties

The first line is a quote..The rest I just plucked from the pages

[Minstrel Boy]

14. thanks for the info

It's certainly out there, but what isn't for those people?

An orchestrated, limited doomsday scenario. I can imagine that having been on the table.

[Octafish]

15. Ollie the Traitor had plans to incarcerate war protesters...

... who disagreed with the policy of illegal war in Central America (sound familiar?). It was called REX 84 for "Readiness Exercise 1984." All these prison camps were being set up across the country, many on closed military bases. GITMO is built along their lines.

The Rex 84 subject came up during Ollie North’s cross examination during a the Iran-Contra House-Senate hearings. I remember it like it happened yesterday.

Rep. Jack Brooks of Texas asked North: “Is it true the US Government has a plan in place to suspend the Constitution and declare martial law?”

The weasely Ollie’s turd-tasting grin froze and for a second he lost the “What did I do wrong?” expression in his eyes and he looked genuinely scared. Before he could answer, his bespectacled attorney leaned over and whispered something in his jug ear.

We'll probably never know what, because before Ollie the Traitor could spit out some answer, Sen. Dan Inouye — THE Dan Inouye, World War 2 Hero of Hawaii — paraphrased said, “This is a matter too sensitive to be disussed in open session.” And the Democrat made a motion to close the hearing.

Another partisan point: The legislator who first suggested the Senate investigate Ollie North’s name is Sen. John Kerry, whose investigations uncovered EVIDENCE of Iran-Contra drug running under the auspices of Ollie and Adm. Poindexter and Poppy Bushler.

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20000504CSPAN.html

[9215]

19. From memory:

a local writer named Emmett Watson (Seattle) wrote a column about how North and "the Reagan Admin" had plans to use FEMA to impose martial law in the event of "social unrest" in the US.

[Octafish]

25. Yeh. FEMA and Ollie would deputize the Michigan Militia ...

... and the other pre-McVeigh patriots to help out in rounding up the lefties and protesters. I bet they'd have been directed by all the planted stooges masquerading as progressive beatniks, etc.

[Andy_Stephenson]

31. There is a FEMA Camp at Sand Point

and if you remember the WTO protesters were taken there.

[9215]

40. Holy crapoli!

You are right! I remember this.
Now, I just read some of Martin's book and he says that Operation Orpheus was going to build housing for 100,000 political prisoners in "Kings County, WA".

Do you remember off hand when this FEMA camp at Sand Point was built. I'd like to know if it was near when Orpheus was hatched.

[Andy_Stephenson]

42. Closed in Sept

1995

[Andy_Stephenson]

43. It wasn't built so much as the existing

buildings have been converted for other uses.

[HFishbine]

21. And Kerry

would know all about this, right? I can't wait until he gets the nomination so that he'll be releived of his anonimity and can finally come forward with all of his secrets which people wouldn't pay any attention to if they only came from a mere senator. I guess if he doesn't get the nomination, he'll just sulk away in silence.

[Octafish]

26. Kerry has done more about the BFEE than Dean has dreamed...

Regarding just Ollie North, here’s part of what Kerry discovered:

OLLIE NORTH AND DRUGS

By Dennis Bernstein and Howard Levine

EXCERPT...

If Iran-Contra prosecutor Lawrence Walsh had wanted to know the extent of former Colonel Oliver North's involvement in the smuggling of drugs from Central America to the United States, Walsh might have made at least one phone call to Celerino 'Cele' Castillo in San Antonio.

Between 1985 to 1991, Castillo was the Drug Enforcement Administration's main agent in El Salvador, where, he says, he uncovered "and reported" a huge drug and gun smuggling operation that was run out of the Ilopango military airport by the 'North Network' and the CIA.

North, now the Republican nominee for the U. S. Senate in Virginia, prevailed at the nominating convention last weekend by positioning himself far to the right of his rival, former Reagan budget director James Miller III, promising that if elected he will work to "clean up the mess" in Washington, and cultivating the support of the same fundamentalist Christian Republicans who responded to the direct-mail campaign to finance the North defense committee.

But Castillo, the first government official with first-hand knowledge of North's drug dealing to speak publicly about it, says North belongs in prison, not in the U.S. Senate. "We saw several packages of narcotics, we saw several boxes of U.S. currency, going from Ilopango to Panama," Castillo said.

CONTINUED…

http://www.csun.edu/CommunicationStudies/ben/news/cia/961120.castillo.html

[Minstrel Boy]

36. Anyone Cheney calls a "conspiracy theorist"

is worthy of support.

[9215]

45. Thanks for the information

Did you see the part about the prison camps/government housing for political prisoners.

[CaptainMidnight]

16. Franks said WHAT? WHEN?

Someone got a link or a lead on Tommy Franks speaking yesterday on what you just said he was?

Captain Mike

[_Jumper_]

17. Link

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20/185048.shtml

[9215]

20. Here is a DU discussion on this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=232282&mesg_id=232282

There were a couple of other ones in LBN I think

[hedgetrimmer]

27. operation : ELYSIAN FIELDS

this is not a pun....

orpheus... his wife dies and he goes to hades (the underworld, the dead) to get her back but fails....

ELYSIAN FIELDS... is a beautiful place of merriment where those favored by zeus get to frolic... a part of the ELYSIAN FIELDS is hades where Orpheus fails...

we are the ELYSIAN FIELDS... everyone of us needs to know...

an underworld of merriment and orpheus fails...

every word, every action is a token to this operation... it is a non-organised band of patriots who act independantly and breathe support from others actions and words ...who will watch orpheus fail...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

30. Website describing Operation Northwoods....

Pentagon Proposed Pretext for Cuba Invasion in 1962
<http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/>

"In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake 'Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,' including 'sink a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),' faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a 'Remember the Maine' incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods 'may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.'"

Pretty chilling. The people that are in control today are the political descendants of those responsible for the killing of JFK in 1963.

[leftofthedial]

32. you mean another one?

just like the first one?

[Hubert Flottz]

33. General Franks is another Colin Powell!

A Reich Wing Drone! It's the "New World Order" they want!(worldwide slavery)

Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, I do.

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gary_allen_rocker/

NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY

http://www.kamron.com/none_dare_call_it_conspiracy.htm

The more things change the more things stay the same! Gary Allen saw this shit coming!

[Military Brat]

35. We Won't Get Fooled Again (deja vu from August of 1971)

"Won't Get Fooled Again"

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?

There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss


:mad: Are you as ready for me as I am for you?

[9215]

39. Great song!

Nobody can kill the thought provoking music of the 60's-70's. They can't kill this stuff and those weasels who slipped through the cracks like Bush, Cheney, Limpballs, etc. and turned it into hate are starting to feel the heat of those who "won't be fooled again".

:toast:

[bobthedrummer]

37. Imagine a private army with superior tech weapons {RFR and EMR}

because that's our post coup reality IMHO. A Private Military Company/PMC would pull off murder on a wide scale IMO. Spookwar.
http://www.icij.org/dtaweb/icij_bow.asp?Section=Chapter&ChapNum=2

[dusty64]

41. This is some scary

shit. All these government plots against the People. How do they get away with this?

[Cleita]

44. Kick

:kick:

[Andy_Stephenson]

46. Kick again

:kick:

[Fla_Democrat]

47. No, why take the risk

A nuclear attack isn't needed. Martial law isn't even needed, yet. Bush has another term, so nothing "drastic" is needed. However, what if.......

A small nuke goes off in a country that is historically friendly to 'terrorists'?

A suitcase, or even a 'dirty' bomb explodes in a warehouse, or even a neighborhood. No embassy, no synagog, no U.S. barracks, a place that has no tactical importance, other than the fact it has no tactical importance.

The story is... terrorists were working on a stolen/bought nuke, preparing for an attack against the west, and it got away from them. Bush then goes to before the Nation, U.N., what ever, and informs the world that the global war on terrorism has reached a critical stage, and it is clear that we must not stop trying to secure the world, from terrorists.

There's a crater in a country, "known" to house/train/fund terrorists, other countries who have had bombings in the past worried about what might be coming in the future, and a perfect excuse to continue the war.

Now, for the domestic side, it becomes a issue of who do you want at the helm, Bush or who ever wins the Democratic nomination. Ok, I know the answer I would get from here, but what about off the board. Think of the average Joe/Jane Voter, if there is a mushroom cloud on the evening news, and the spin is put out about the candidates, what do you think they will do?

If it was closing on the end of a second term, it would be a worry (if one subscribed to :tinfoilhat: theories), but first term, na :shrug:

[maggrwaggr]

48. my worst fear:

these guys blow up the Dem national convention and blame it on Al Queda.

They institute martial law and they cancel the elections. There's no real fuss because there's nobody running against them now anyway, because they were all killed in the "terrorist" attack.

Two birds with one stone, ya' know?