Dean can't win the South?

[Eloriel]

Zogby:


Former Vermont Governor Dr. Howard Dean has expanded his lead over the field of Democratic presidential hopefuls, moving away from a late September tie with retired General Wesley Clark. Dean now receives 15% from 558 likely Democratic primary voters nationwide, and Clark has slipped slightly to 10%.

Polling was conducted from Zogby International’s Call Center in Utica, November 3 – 5. The margin of survey error is +/- 4.2 percentage points. Error margins are higher in sub-groups.


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Dean has a slight edge in the East and South. In the West, Clark enjoys 22% compared to Dean’s 17%. In the East, Dean (18%) is followed by Lieberman (15%) and Gephardt (11%), and Kerry trails with just 8%. Dean is the leader in the South with 13%, followed by an 8% tie of Edwards, Lieberman, and Sharpton. Gephardt has a slight lead on Dean in the Central-Great Lakes area, 16% - 15%.

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=755

Okay. If you say so.

Eloriel

[MIMStigator]

1. Name recognition among democrats.....means nothing for 04

Dean can't win in the south against Bush, Clark can.

[Classical_Liberal]

2. Hmm!

. Why in the world would Dean be easier to recognize that Clark?

[SahaleArm]

5. Right now he is.

When they start campaigning the south in earnest it'll be a different story.

[funkyflathead]

4. Clark is a Southerner

From Arkansas.

[Classical_Liberal]

7. Then how can you chalk this up to name recognition?

? The South should know him better then Dean.

[Bertrand]

9. The race will shape up after Dean loses in South Carolina

latest poll has him almost tripled by the frontrunner in that state, Clark.

[Bertrand]

3. Hopefully only Democratic Primary voters will turn out next November

*crosses fingers*

[MIMStigator]

21. LOL n/t

n/t

[incapsulated]

6. The General Election

That's what people are talking about in regards to Dean and the south.

Any non-southerner is going to have a very hard time down there against Bush, period. Add to that the very Northeast Yankee background of Dean, plus the "liberal" tag he gets, and there is reason to be worried. If he gets the nod, he simply must have a southerner on his ticket to have a any chance.

edit: I think Clark will win the south in the primaries, regardless of the current polls. Wait for it... ;)

[kodi]

8. so, it actually says that 87% of southerners did not choose dean?

right?

[MIMStigator]

10. Clark will be stronger when others drop out

if they do it at the right time

[incapsulated]

11. I agree

The field is just too crowded right now, and those votes have to go somewhere when it thins. It's evenly spread out among the candidates in a lot of states with no one leading in double digits. It's impossible to predict a winner in that kind of situation. Everything depends on how many drop out after Iowa, NH and SC.

[ryharrin]

12. That statement doesn't mean anything.

Whenever a candidate drops out, the others automatically get stronger. What are you trying to say?

[MIMStigator]

13. Saying that most of the support of other candidates will go to Clark.

Edwards, Lieberman, Kerry......if they drop out, Clark gets most of their backers. Even Sharpton's after the flag comments.

[Enjolras]

14. Clark is just another Clintonian blue dog, DLC centrist

If you would support Clark, or Lieberman or Edwards, just because you think he can compete in the south, or that he would be more competitive overall, than you are not talking about taking back the party. You are not part of the Democratic wing of the Democratic party. Being committed means being prepared to lose. Stand on your principles, and be prepared to rise or fall on them.

It's not so crazy. Republicans are similarly prepared. Are we less courageous?

[funkyflathead]

15. It's about winning and Clark or Dean can win

Call them whatever they are the two strongest Dem canidates no matter how far left or right.

[incapsulated]

16. lol

"You are not part of the Democratic wing of the Democratic party."

Are we still dragging out that old Wellstone line?

Sorry, but you don't get to choose who is a "real" Democrat.

You want to lose on your "principles" and think that's what the Republicans do??

Jeeze, what principles are those? Money, power and media control? Lies, distortions and slander?

Stealing elections?

[retyred]

17. I was part of the Democratic wing of the Democratic party

when it meant something, now it's just a stolen phrase from a real liberal.



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[_Jumper_]

18. The "Democratic wing of the Democratic party"

Is that the wing that courts those that proudly display racist symbols? Is that the wing that patronizes white Southerners? What would Wellstone think?

[funkyflathead]

19. That's Zell Miller's wing

LOL!

[MIMStigator]

20. I'm part of the wing that will kick Bush out on his ass

If that's not principled what is

[FrenchieCat]

22. Can only say amen to that!

"IT'S YOUR ECONOMY AND YOUR WAR, STUPID!"
A REAL MILITARY HERO TELLS A GENUINE INTELLIGENCE FAILURE

[leftofthedial]

23. "I don't need no damned Yankee doctor to tell me what is wrong"

"too damn many libruls. That's what's wrong!"

Dean won't hear this during the primaries, but he will in the general election if he's nominated. I still think he has the right idea and I cheer his now infamous "confederate flag" comment.