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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:54 PM
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Dean apologizes. Bush never apologizes.
More accurately stated Dean is pressured to apologize for something that wasnt necessary, Bush never apologizes for things that are HIGHLY necessary.

We are of course witnessing the Gore methodology tactics in full activation now being used against Governor Dean by the Republican party and some "Democrats".

We knew this would happen.

Now it is our responsibility to set the record straight whenever accusations start flying, defend him and all other candidates and Democratic leaders who are being treated unfairly. And I will say that Dem leaders must implement that principle as well, defend and stand by each other.

How powerful our Democratic leadership would be if they stood together. They have the opportunity and the responsibility to support each other, the constituents and the nation.

Back to the original point, the majority of devisive Dean threads here are started by trolls but, there are Dems that want to hurt him as well.

Please stop. It does no good, but it does create a hell of a lot of bad. I would consider those that start accusatory flaming threads on the candidates dont have the Democratic partys best interest at hand.

In the end, every single one of these attacks affect the strength and resilience of the Democratic party,

and that is what they are meant to do.

Are Democrats going to buy the same bashing routine again as was done TO GORE and TO CLINTON?

How many times before we GET IT?

On another note,

how hard did Bush work to become president? And then look at how hard Dean has campaigned.

Bush has given a full plate of knee jerk statements saying things like Bring Em On, F*** Saddam, lets take him out (or whatever he said), and wanting Saddam Dead or Alive, etc.

and people are criticizing Dean for trying to reach out to poor Southern Whites?

Connie Rice (Condoleeza Rices cousin) wrote an article in the LA Times supporting Dean, telling him to stand firm and mentioned that Martin Luther King spoke of doing the same thing by reaching out to Southern Whites.

Dean can only stand as firm as the support BACKING HIM.

Back him up everyone.

If you care about defending the truth, being fair, not to mention, protecting our future as a nation.

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karlspur Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:55 PM
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1. Trent Lott apologized so did Rush Limbaugh
Are duers ever going to forgive them for their comments?
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:01 PM
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5. No. They have an R next to their name
At least Rush wasn't giving legitimacy to a racist symbol in his statement about McNabb. I recall him being bashed by most for his statement. Yet, Dean is being defended by many. It is racist to say that a player may get more attention because of his race but it is great to appeal to people that display racist symbols I suppose. This will all pay off when we get the all-important KKK endorsement.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:05 PM
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9. Come on, you can't possibly compare Dean and Rush
Jesus Christ. Dean said he wanted rednecks who fly the Confederate flag to vote for him, because their current party wasn't doing a damn thing for them. Rush said that McNabb is overrated because the media wants a black quarterback to be successful.

To me, there is a huge difference.

Frankly, I don't quite understand why this flag issue is such a big deal.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:08 PM
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11. Which was worse?
"Dean said he wanted rednecks who fly the Confederate flag to vote for him"

"Rush said that McNabb is overrated because the media wants a black quarterback to be successful."


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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:44 PM
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12. The second one.
You already know what Dean meant.

Your position only encourages racists to continue being racist while Dean's seeks them not to continue doing so.

He said the confederate flag was a loathsome symbol and that doesn't sound like giving legitimacy to it.

The "War Vote Four" have given me another reason to think they are typical politicians in being dishonest.

And now you have given me reason to think you are as well.

And this is getting real real old.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:48 PM
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13. Furthermore...
The people that do this stuff are giving me no reason to support their candidate other than the threat of them nagging the piss out of us pretending they actually believe this false accusation. Now why would I want to have to deal with people doing that over and over again on issue after issue? It's best for us to just put a stop to it now. It's intimidation, and it's just like red-baiting.
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:01 PM
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6. Lott, sure, Limbaugh, no way
Trent Lott doesn't pretend to be a moralist. Rush Limbaugh does. Anyone who sets himself up as an arbiter of ethics and wallows in the consequent adulation but can't walk it like he talks it, deserves nothing but contempt.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." And don't get into the business of stone-casting with the impossible conceit that you're above committing sin.
Limbaugh's made millions from his imposture of Christ. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:48 PM
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14. Lott was losing his Majority position - Rush was losing his supply
You really comparing those two to this situation? Cmon.....

Again, Dean was trying to be inclusive.

These guys were attempting to create further division between cultures.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:55 PM
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2. Being A Dictator Means...
never having to say you're sorry.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:06 PM
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10. Well, thats part of it. What I was going to point out was
Bush would apologize if he was ever wrong, but apparently he has never been wrong.

Hell, why apologize when no one seems to care if you are wrong?

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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:57 PM
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3. If he said poor Southern whites it would have been okay
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 05:58 PM by _Jumper_
But he had to mention the Confederate flag because of his Democratic version of Nixon's "Southern Strategy." The fact that he appealed to those that display a divisive, and what most Democratis probably consider a racist symbol, is what caused the controversy.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:59 PM
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4. Your right, Clinton touched on this at the Harken Steak Fry.
He said when Dems find them selves in a whole, they try to climb out. Republicans just ask for a bigger shovel.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:02 PM
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7. Most of our Democratic leaders still don't understand what they are up
against.

I don't know if anything will shake them out of short of being carried off to the Gulag.

Wellstone got it. And then he "got it".
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:02 PM
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8. Didn't you hear Bush* say.......
That one of the interesting things about being pResident is that he doesn't have to answer to anyone? That people have to answer to him but that he doesn't have to answer to or explain his actions to anyone? I guess that goes for apologies also. :shrug:
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:55 PM
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15. He doesn't have to answer to anyone
Actually, he doesn't even have an answer for anyone. Rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric.
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