ROCK THE VOTE FORUM THREAD #4 (7PM ET -- CNN)

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Continued:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=648666

Sorry. One of the threads accidentally got deleted by the moderators.

--Taylor

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Well one thing that strikes me

Regardless of who is your favorite we have a good group running

Yep afer the PRIMARIES, ABB for me

[frank frankly]

3. I completely agree

Kerry and Clark have been amazing. This race just tightened and no way Clark isn't VP if not POTUS.

[ErasureAcer]

2. Kucinich's points...

he didn't even make it to #6

cancel WTO/NAFTA

and there you have a list full of points to get the American Economy back on track.

It is clear Dennis has the plan to win.

www.kucinich.us

Join the Team! :)

[leftofthedial]

32. DK is the one

best ideas

best commitment (although they all are good)

[ErasureAcer]

80. nice matrix parrallel!

:)

[phirili]

4. Why is Dean gulping for air like a fish when the other candidates

are speaking

[screembloodymurder]

75. Probably, cause he's the one getting punched in the

gut.

[robsul82]

I have issues with that dogpile at the beginning...

...and Edwards' "We don't need people like YOU" at Dean. Low class all the way. If I were Dean, I probably would've said "we don't need people like YOU who don't have a hope in Hell of winning this nomination clogging up the people who CAN win's time to talk!" but then I'd be a huge hothead.

Later.

RJS

[squanto]

7. To me it's like Croquet

If someone gets too far ahead it's in all the other players interest to "knock" 'em out!

[squanto]

69. Dean doesn't get a pass

Why should he?

[robsul82]

73. It's not about getting a pass...

...it's about not having three candidates jumping down your throat for no reason. It's about not having a guy holler "We don't need guys like YOU." It's low and ridiculous, especially when Dean's said it before and no one of them had a damn thing to say before their campaign ships started sinking like Lusitania.

Later.

RJS

[Demonaut]

5. Not enough

We really need a longer debate, run it on CSpan

[MissB]

6. Problem is, not enough of the American public would watch it

The national attention span isn't long enough.

[Nashyra]

13. Clark and Kerry did very well today

and obvisously I am a Clark supporter, I can see him as POTUS or as the Veep. Dean looked uncomfortable tonight, I would work hard for Dean also, Sharpton speaks like a person who has nothing to lose, he is a needed voice.

[robsul82]

8. What was wrong with Kerry's and Edwards' videos?

I thought they were fine the first time.

Later.

RJS

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[robsul82]

25. Geez, dude...

...I'm sorry the impossible dream is proving a little too impossible. Don't take it out on me, bro.

Later.

RJS

[Closer]

47. LOL

[squanto]

58. Jeeez, lighten up!!

Maybe the guy missed a moment here and there. So what?

[Khephra]

9. Lieberman is one of the winners tonight

Because I think this is the first time in a long time that he hasn't been booed that I can remember. ;-)

[squanto]

11. Lieberman is not dead yet

[squanto]

10. Liebermans up

Good showing!

Leave the guns alone, give back the jobs!

[squanto]

12. Not just yes or no!

Where'd you get the best buds?!

[robsul82]

14. "I believe in dreams, Bush believes in hallucinations..."

Geez. Whoever takes the nomination, get Sharpton as Official Soundbite Man, and get lessons from Al on delivery.

Later.

RJS

[andym]

97. ""I believe in dreams, Bush believes in hallucinations..."'

Wouldn't
""I believe in dreams, Bush believes in nightmares"
be even better..

[aldian159]

98. al sharpton is the next press secretary

n/t

[MissB]

15. Did you smoke pot?

Sheesh.

[Khephra]

16. Dean SMOKED!

YES! hehehehehe

:smoke:

[robsul82]

21. Hahaha...

...Dean was obviously a pothead in college. Maybe still, hehe.

DK would party with Sharpton.

Later.

RJS

[MissB]

22. So did Kerry

I didn't catch Edwards' answer.

Braun refused to answer.

Clark said no and Lieberman said no.

I think Dennis passed, but said that he'd decriminalize.

I don't know what Sharpton said.

[Clark Can WIN]

68. Dennis said he had not used

but would decriminalize

[Demonaut]

17. Lieberman

Who is this guy???...Most repugs are christian...devoutly hypocritical, NO WAY would they vote for an Orthodox Jew..we still need oh crap did they just admit drug use???

[Rowdyboy]

18. "Did you ever use marijuana?"

Carol Mosley Braun : "I'm not gonna answer..."laughing...

Love it! You tell 'em Carol

[Cooley Hurd]

26. No from Leiberman, Sharpton, Clark and Dennis...

Yes from Dean, Kerry, Edwards...

No comment from CMB.

[squanto]

19. "shake your groove thing?!!"

move on, move on

[kayleybeth]

23. Yaaaay!

Some of the candidates are stoners!! And the crowd goes wild :-)

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Uh oh!

Marijane question! Have you smoked it? Dean, yes. Kerry...yes. Edwards....yes? CMB...no answer.....Dennis, no.......Lieberman...no.
Sharpton, I missed.

[Cush]

27. no, against the church

[MissB]

29. Yeah, but perhaps a better question would be:

Did you snort coke. At least then they'd have a basis for comparison to *.

[w13rd0]

30. Sharpton responded...

..."I can not tell a lie, I'm smoking right now..."

[squanto]

28. WINNERS, LOSERS

WINNERS:

Lieberman
Edwards
Sharpton


LOSERS

Gephardt
Dean

[jenk]

31. Sharptons fit of rage at the beginning was not very good

he should've been more under control, I can't list him as a winner

where's GEP?

[goobergunch]

34. Iowa, I think (n/t)

[squanto]

36. Pure passion

He's also ticked off that Jackson Jr. endorsed Dean.

[haymaker]

37. A new expert.

Just what we need around here.

:puke:

[squanto]

41. Harsh

[Nashyra]

Winners/Losers

Winners Clark, Kerry, Sharpton

Losers DK, Lieberman and Gephart for not showing up
of course the news will not give anyone any credit for anything good and they will use all negative soundbites, I thought it was a good debate. Joe Klien and Candy Crawley can not ever give a decent review because they are whores. I thought they did a good job with the young people.

[mbali]

62. I loved it

when they said that no one had anything new to say about Iraq. What is there new to say about Iraq? And if anyone had said something that they'd never said before, wouldn't these folks jump all over them for changing their position?

Jeez.

[zeemike]

I don’t think there were any losers

And I thought Dean did well. He presented his case clearly and sounded like a “real” person.

[ErasureAcer]

44. Winners and Losers

Won:

Sharpton (he needs to be on the ticket, with DK preferably)
Kucinich (Started slow, his first question was about PCs or Macs for christ's sake...picked it up with his 'rock the boat' line and his 5 points on how to get the economy going, he had the best commercial too).

DEFINITE LOSERS

Gephardt (youth too good for ya?)
Dean (he got owned by Sharpton and Edwards on the flag issue. He side stepped the question by the audience member 2 times...finally on his 3rd time he said he wasn't for bigotry).

www.kucinich.us

[blm]

83. "Rock the Boat" line was GREAT!

And DK knows how to rock the boat.

[PDittie]

52. Lieberman didn't win

He pandered.

Clark and Kerry solid wins.

Dean and Gephardt lost.

Rest also-rans.

[screembloodymurder]

81. Was Gephardt there?

No way.

[squanto]

33. Best quote, Worst quote

BEST QUOTE

Sharpton on partying with Kerry's wife! LOL!

WORST QUOTE

"I understand the legacy of bigotry in this country"--Dean

Not yet you don't doc.

[FeelinGarfunkelly]

99. "legacy of bigotry"

Am I the only on who wants to question the WORD CHOICE here? LEGACY? Edward R. Murrow had a legacy in journalism. Bigotry is not a legacy. It's a nasty bloodstain on the front of America's favorite shirt.

[in_cog_ni_to]

35. OK, who won???

My vote.

Clark
Kerry
Dean

In that order.

[robsul82]

38. I'll go...

...Clark-Dean-Kerry. I think Dean did better than Kerry in how I don't think anything Dean said was worse than, "Well, I can kill animals because I eat 'em."

Later.

RJS

[squanto]

39. Lieberman, Edwards, Sharpton

Dean, Gephardt, Clark lost

[gasperc]

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[CWebster]

59. Lieberman...

Did you hear him talk about how the Republicans accuse Democrats of threatening to take away folk's guns... and how Democrats should try to appeal to them by speaking about how the Republicans want to steal their rights, and educational opportunites?

What makes that any different than appealing to poor white trash?

Edwards...and his entreaty to Democrats to appeal to Zell Miller...

Soo, Eddie boy, got yourself in a box.

Sharpton: Infantile, ego-driven, destructive fool.

[squanto]

67. Huh? Lieberman was appealing to the "white trash"??

BTW what defines whether a person is "white trash" or not?

Is it geography, finances, dental hygene, type of dwelling, educational level, political affiliation, sexual orientation?

If I have rotten teeth in, say Indiana, I am poor and I live in a double wide am I white trash?

Can a gay person be white trash?

[CWebster]

91. In this case

It would be if you were flying the stars and bars.

[phirili]

49. Kerry charm coming to the fore, very good debate for him

[CWebster]

63. Bitter loser.

In the debate follow-up ALL he did was whine about Dean exclusively.

I'll tell you now, he has lost my vote. I will NEVER vote for Kerry. Never.

[Terwilliger]

40. Dennis and Al won the debate

It was great when the first name out of his mouth was Al Sharpton...that was great!! :bounce:

[HazMat]

42. oh bullshit - CNN spinning it as "Dean won".

Dean can always count on the stinking corporate media. I mean, c'mon, he clearly was beaten badly in this debate and the last but again it's "Dean won". That's the kind of spin that reminds me of "Bush is a popular, ubeatable president". Bullshit.

[squanto]

45. Total bullsh*t!!!!!!!!!!!

Dean won? Uh uh. No friggin way.

He got hurt with minorities tonight

[robsul82]

46. Oh, bullshit on you!

I took the post-game wrapup was "Nobody won." Waaah waah waah from a Kerryite, par for the course.

Later.

RJS

[Ripley]

48. Dean answered his critics in clear articulate language.

What don't you understand?

He defended his position about reaching out to certain southerners and he did it well. You know it was very telling when Anderson Cooper asked Edwards if what he meant was that the Democrats should exclude the "confederate bumpersticker guys?" and which other groups does he plan on excluding from the Democratic party?

You know you can keep insulting southerners and expect a different result. But I believe Einstein said that would be insanity.

[squanto]

53. It's easy

Why hasn't Dean come out and condemned the displaying of the Confederate battle flag?

Instead he panders to those who display it. What is not clear about that?

[Ripley]

66. Get your facts straight.

He did condemn the flag. But he is not condemning all of those southerners who display it.

[squanto]

74. Okay let's see where this goes

How about a flag/symbol with a swastika on it? You want the votes from the people who display that flag/symbol too?

Or is the Confederate battle flag/symbol just a swastika-lite flag/symbol and Dean wants the votes from THOSE people?

[killbotfactory]

78. Racists neo-nazi's need health care and education, too.

We don't restrict your rights in this country just because you are ignorant about race and culture.

[haymaker]

87. Keep generalizing.

But that is your plan.

[Hep]

96. Differences

There are people who fly the confederate flag because they are misguided and buy into the "heritage" crap. But I don't think people are insincere if they have a "heritage not hate" sticker. I just think they literally don't know better. But they believe very strongly that their advocacy is legitimate.

Everyone knows what a swastika means. There might be a few people who fly the swastika in an attempt to conjure up the good ole days when it wasn't a symbol of hatred, but I don't know them.

Deam was using the guy with the confederate flag as imagery, as a symbol. he wasn't generalizing. But you are.

[maha]

95. You're missing the point.

Dean SAID the Confederate flag was a racist symbol. Of course it is. Not the point.

He has not been advocating displaying the Confederate flag but instead he's talking about reaching out to the southern white working-class guys who have Confederate flags on their pickup trucks and who vote Republican, contrary to their own economic interests.

More thoughts here.

[alphafemale]

102. Exactly. (Jumping into this debate though I know it's a briar patch)

He could have just as well said...

People driving 12 yr old cars with a Bush/Cheney sticker.

Certainly doesn't mean he adores Bush/Cheney stickers.

Dems have written off the working class south vote for awhile.
To our detriment.

And yes that is a form of bigotry in itself.
As Cooper said - what other votes to you see as unworthy?

And don't even think about accusing me of supporting the flag as a worthy symbol.

I was one of those in GA who was organizing to get the rebel emblem off our state flag in 2000.

We organized a rally, march and debates locally.

I've taken my licks on this issue.
Thank you very much.

It is a hot button issue in the south.
But I HAD to learn to speak reasonably with people about it.

[Terwilliger]

43. fucking Candy Crowley!

She's about as fresh as a used sanitary napkin...same old shit

[phirili]

54. Dean should apologize, he'll be stupid not to.

[Demonaut]

70. Dean should not apologise

Its obvious that Dean is not a racist, Sharpton had a point though and "we don't need you" was going a bit too far. Anyway I kinda liked it when Daisy Duke would climb into the General Lee.

[Nashyra]

55. That's a pretty descriptive comment

but it is the best description of her that I have ever read. By the way Paula Zahn is the biggest whore yet.

[bushisanidiot]

90. Candy Crowley Is a Right Wing Cronie Pig!

All she did was spin.. she didn't think any one of them did well. Hello??? Was she even WATCHING?! The crowd loved the candidates from all angles that I saw.. then that idiot Paula Zahn echoed Crowley's report of misery and they trotted out some young right wing mtv correspondent to echo the spin one more time. AWOL has them all in his back pocket.

Is there just ONE unbiased news station??? somewhere??? without all the right wing constant spin spin spin??

[Cooley Hurd]

50. Did you hear that whore Zahn just now??????

Asking Kerry if "Dean was a racist or not?" What a push-polling hosebeast!!!!

[squanto]

51. I predict that Dean will apologize tomorrow morning

For the Confederate battle flag comment.

[NashVegas]

56. I Doubt It

If he didn't backtrack for the guy who asked the question, why would he backtrack to Katie Couric?

[squanto]

60. Because his campaign will run the number s tonight.

And they will show he missed the mark.

He won't really apologize, he'll just "explain and amplify" his statement. So much for the "straighttalker".

[Nashyra]

64. Paula is such a bitch

she wants to trap Clark, hell she wants to trap all the candidates. She is a disgrace, she can not accept fact as fact. I liked Clark's statement about it not making a difference whether the audience likes his answer about marijuana, they asked a question and I answered it. I like how he talked about the drug testing in the military, maybe it will come out when he debates * in the General election.

[in_cog_ni_to]

79. She was a real bitch tonight!

She kept interrupting him and nag, nag, nag, nag, nag, nag, nag, nag....on the SAME damn question. She didn't like the answer she got so tried it again and again. She has grated on my last nerve!I never watch her anyway. Now I remember why. :mad:

[Khephra]

61. Dean didn't win, but I don't think he lost at all.

This flag flap will be forgotten soon...like probably Thursday when the Dean camp makes their big announcement.

Every time that Dean has been declared dead, he's only risen stronger than before. I expect Dean to still be at the top or in the top three, just like he was today, in the next week.

Dean didn't do that well tonight on several accounts, but Sharpton is a double-edge blade. He's a Love him/hate him sort of a personality. Carol also obviously defended Dean's view and that will be noticed by black voters just as much as Sharpton in some quarters. Dean also stood his ground against mulitple attackers without backing down. That's a plus in many people's books too.

I have a feeling that the pot question will last longer than the flag question.

[Ripley]

72. Thank Zeus Dean didn't cave to the loonies and apologize.

He answered the damn question straight up. This will do nothing but gain him support and the money will be rolling in.

I disagree Keph, I think he did excellent on every attack. He was pretty funny, too saying he knew he was the front runner because of all of the buckshot in his behind. Now I'm sure Kerry will attack him saying he is lying..he's not the frontrunner, I AM.

[HazMat]

65. filthy right wing media cheerleading for their fav strawman Howard Dean

Plastic Paula hammering Kerry "but he's the front runner, isn't that the reason you're all attacking poor lil Howie" ?

You just know the media lusts for Dean to get this thing so they can sit back and watch Bush crush their "angry, liberal, antiwar" strawman candidate. Damn, it's so f--ing obvious.

[NashVegas]

71. Yeah, I'm Sure That's What She Meant to Do

when she asked Kerry if Dean's a racist.

Sidenote: anyone remember the old SNL skit 'Racist/Not a Racist' revolving around a football pass?

[Nashyra]

76. I think that Deans answer

was very good at the end there with Paula Zahn

[HazMat]

77. Paula: they all attacked you Howie, come cry on my shoulder

"that must've been a nightmare for you poor Howie. There there, clarify you're position. Paula will make it better."

[robsul82]

82. Good LORD...

...imagine if WilliamPitt cried as much as you do! Hahahahah. Back up the Kleenex caravan for THIS Kerryite, back it up!

Later.

RJS

[haymaker]

89. He is reaching isn't he?

What a stretch.

[Donna Zen]

84. Brit Hume

did a very positive piece on Howard Dean. That may mean that there are only positive things to say, and that he is a Democratic candidate that Fox can support.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

92. Anyone who threatens to role back all of Bush's tax cuts is FOX's enemy

So by that logic, I conclude that "he is a Democratic candidate that Fox can support so that he loses handily to Bush". Which is why you are only hearing positive things about Dean from FOX.

[Bread and Circus]

86. It's sad but true....

:(

[SeveneightyWhoa]

93. Yes, its very true.

A lot of rightwingers have "endorsed" Dean. William Kristol, Tucker Carlson, the list goes on.

Zell Miller would've endorsed Dean if he wasn't recruited by Team Bush first.

[haymaker]

88. You're so smart. Thank you

for telling us what is going on. Do you mind telling us who we should vote for?

Thanks in advance.

[wildwww2]

94. One brain cell more than Bu$h. And you know who to vote for. Without

being told by anyone. Thats my look on anyone telling me how to vote. I knew how I would vote for the rest of my life. When Scalia and his batch of fellow maggots. Stopped the Florida counting of my vote.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[RapidCreek]

85. HEY! will this be rebroadcast? I missed it.

Thanks,

RC

[neebob]

100. A transcript

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0311/04/se.03.html

[RapidCreek]

101. Thanks Neebob I appreciate it!

RC