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preocupied Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:40 PM
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We must demand that Zell Miller leaves the Democratic party!!!!
That phucquing traitor has to go!

I cannot believe what he told Hannity.

I do not care if we loose another senator, that dog must go or else we will all be scratching from his fleas!
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:42 PM
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1. What did he tell Hannity?
I refuse to watch Faux News except for presidential debates.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:44 PM
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2. What did he say?
I want to know, btw... thankgod he's retiring.... and he was never elected as a Senator in the first place!

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/07/24/georg...

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GeekLife Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:45 PM
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4. Yes he was
He was elected in 2000.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:45 PM
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5. Actually he was
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preocupied Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:49 PM
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10. He will vote for George Bush in the next election!
He referred to the 9 Democratic candidates using very disparaging terms.

I am so enraged, I have never seen such a traitor.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 12:49 AM
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26. Zellin' us down the river...here's a link
SENATOR ZELL MILLER OF GEORGIA, the nation's most prominent conservative Democrat, said today he will endorse President Bush for re-election in 2004 and campaign for him if Bush wishes him to. Miller said Bush is "the right man at the right time" to govern the country.

The next five years "will determine the kind of world my children and grandchildren will live in," Miller said in an interview. And he wouldn't "trust" any of the nine Democratic presidential candidates with governing during "that crucial period," he said. "This Democrat will vote for President Bush in 2004."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/0...

Hey Zell- if you are reading this, I just want to say...

You really suck.
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GeekLife Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:45 PM
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3. I watched it
I watched it to see exactly what he had to say so I didnt get it third hand from posters how got it second hand from others. I wanted to see it my self.

Lets put it this way people. Zell Miller basically just cut a campaign commercial for Bush '04. I do not think Rove and his army could have scripted a better commercial.

You watch. Take it to the bank. This interview with Hannity will be edited into a commercial, and trust me, very little editing is needed. The only editing needed is to keep it within the timeframe of a commercial spot.

I'm gonna try and hunt down a transcript of this interview. It is as bad, or worse than we thought it would be when it broke this afternoon.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:47 PM
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7. A campaign commercial in Georgia
People in the other 49 states have no idea who Zell Miller is. Nor will they care.
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GeekLife Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:49 PM
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9. Watch for it
There will be a "Democrats For Bush" organization set up with Zell being their prime pitchman. Bet on it.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:58 PM
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12. Tried it in 2000
Didn't work.
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GeekLife Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 09:02 PM
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13. I'm a betting man
And I bet I am right.
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preocupied Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:46 PM
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6. Georgia Democrats should vote him out next election by voting
Repuke, the way they did it to Cynthia McKinney!

That dog must go!
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GeekLife Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:48 PM
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8. He's retiring
no need to vote him out. He's done at the end of this term. Which ends in 2004 if memory serves me right.
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GeekLife Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 08:50 PM
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11. Ah
Edited on Wed Oct-29-03 08:51 PM by GeekLife
what democrats voted GOP to get rid of McKinney?

If you are inferring that GOP crossover voting in the primary cost McKinney her reelection, then you are just wrong. Several studies have shown even without GOP crossover voting she would have lost.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 09:08 PM
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14. Held my nose and watched as much as I could stomach
Edited on Wed Oct-29-03 09:12 PM by candy331
and heard Hannity ask Zell why he wouldn't leave and he gave the long illustration of living in an old house and could do better but you're so comfortable in that old house and some other spill. Said he was born into Democratic family and been one all his life and he doesn't have much more time to live(age wise)so he will stay where he is. He will be back on Hannity&c tomorrow night for 2nd part of interview.

Even if the man had some valid complaints my question is what has he done to help corrrect the problems he enumerates? Has he been a help/hindrance? Has he ever thought that he could have added to the problems too. Could it be sour grapes? Maybe he wanted to run for President but couldn't get the support. Why in the world would he stay in a party he evidently despises? I am flabbergasted on this!
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 09:49 PM
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21. "...he doesn't have much more time to live"
best news I've ever heard that dirtbag deliver.

Fuck Zell
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 12:28 AM
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24. Really? I live right beside her district and pay attention.
Who did these surveys? The corporate media? Any links?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 09:23 PM
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15. I Was Willing Not to Condemn a Dem, but FUCK Zell
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 09:23 PM
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16. I agree. I don't understand why Zell calls himself a Democrat.
He is not.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 09:28 PM
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17. How do we do it? Contact zell, Terry, the Dem candidates, the Dem party?
Clinton, Gore?!

We should demand zell leave, and we should demand those in higher places in this party demand the same.

Anybody know how to do that?
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 09:31 PM
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18. Daschle should throw him out now.....
I hate Zell Miller.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 09:40 PM
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19. Not just Zell Miller- California, Mississippi and expecting more
Edited on Wed Oct-29-03 09:43 PM by Tinoire
Miller's not alone folks... He's got plenty of company.


Lockyer: I voted for Schwarzenegger



BERKELEY -- Democratic Attorney General Bill Lockyer said Saturday that he voted against the recall of Gov. Gray Davis but crossed party lines on the question of who should replace the incumbent, choosing Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger.

<snip>

He represented for me what he did for others: hope, change, reform, opportunity, upbeat problem-solving," Lockyer said of the movie star and governor-elect, his surprise confession sending a jolt through a room of about 150 political consultants, academics and journalists gathered at the University of California, Berkeley, for a post-election analysis.

<snip>

While consistent in his opposition to the recall, Lockyer had taken a swipe at Davis weeks before election day, warning that if the governor ran a campaign of "puke politics" he would consider supporting one of his challengers.

"That sanctimonious posturizing is all well and good, but it was not helpful" to keeping Davis in office, snapped the outgoing governor's strategist, Garry South, during his own remarks Saturday.

<snip>

http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/recall/story/762...

and just to show you how slick these people are, here's that reptile in action the day before he voted for Schwarznegger. After you read this check out Lockyer's comment about investigating Schwarznegger.

Attorney General wants Schwarzenegger investigated


October 6, 2003
San Jose / Silicon Valley Business Journal
Timothy Roberts

California Attorney General Bill Lockyer on Sunday in San Jose called on Arnold Schwarzenegger to volunteer to be investigated over the accusations that he harassed 15 women over the last 20 years.

The attorney general, a Democrat, was accompanying a campaign bus tour by Gov. Gray Davis, who is the target of Tuesday's recall election.

<snip>

http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2003/09/...

"Jolting Democrat News: Bill Lockyer Voted for Schwarzenegger"



The Democrats may still be in shock from learning on Saturday that their state's attorney general, Bill Lockyer, bolted his party and voted for Arnold Schwarzenegger for governor. Dan Walters, dean of Sacramento political writers, tells the story in his column below, abridged from the Sacramento Bee website.


BERKELEY -- Dozens of political junkies--campaign consultants, pollsters, journalists, academicians and so forth--gathered at the University of California on Saturday for what they expected to be a lively and detailed postmortem on the historic and often bizarre election that dumped Gray Davis from the governorship and selected movie star Arnold Schwarzenegger as his successor. Their expectations were more than met as operatives for the competing factions on the recall and the major candidates to replace Davis--plus a panel of lawyers, reflecting the litigious nature of the event--dissected the eight-month-long, ever-twisting path to the Oct. 7 election.

But, as if to prove that this most unusual campaign still has surprises to offer, what left attendees buzzing afterward was not what the campaign strategists had to say, but Democratic Attorney General Bill Lockyer's startling declaration, during a luncheon speech, that he had voted for Republican Schwarzenegger himself after looking at the "crappy list" of alternatives, including Democratic Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante. ((Ok, now I'm NO fan of Bustamante but damn, I'd vote Green before EVER voting Republican if I hated all the Dems!))

<snip>

Later, Lockyer said that the late-blooming allegations that Schwarzenegger had harassed women during his acting career did not alter his decision, characterizing the allegations as undoubtedly true--Schwarzenegger himself partially acknowledged that--and "frat boy behavior." "I gave him the benefit of the doubt," Lockyer told reporters.

<snip>

http://chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=47...

And of course, let's not forget Mississippi

Democrats endorse Barbour

Democrats endorse Barbour: Republican Haley Barbour on Wednesday released a list of 42 Democrats he says are supporting him over Democratic Gov. Ronnie Musgrove in the Nov. 4 general election.

Among them are former Lt. Gov. Brad Dye and former Supreme Court Justices Lenore Prather and Jim Roberts.

Roberts lost to Musgrove in the 1999 Democratic primary for governor and to state Sen. Barbara Blackmon in this year's Democratic primary for lieutenant governor.

About 30 of the Democrats backing Barbour stood behind him during a news conference at the state Capitol.

<snip>

"Haley Barbour is the most partisan Mississippi Republican of his generation, and has built a career out of vicious and unprincipled attacks upon Democratic candidates and the Democratic Party, the current campaign being only the most recent example," Cole said. "Many of us still remember his campaign of calculated insults against the legendary John C. Stennis."

<snip>

http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0310/23/m12a.html
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 09:43 PM
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20. I don't know what's wrong with Zell now but I suspect

a personal feud. He and James Carville used to be buddies but Zell's turned against him over some slight. Zell helped Bill Clinton in his first run for the White House -- advised him to hire Carville and Begala (who had run Zell's gubernatorial campaign.) Zell played a big part in getting Georgia's electoral votes for Clinton.

Who knows, maybe all his disillusionment with the Dems is about his falling out with Carville? That, and being a former Marine who's a gung-ho sort.

I don't think anybody in Georgia expected Zell to act the way he has in the Senate. He was fine as governor.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 10:07 PM
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22. Zell is a
rabid anti-tax nut, just like the quasi-libertarians voting GOP. he should be ousted.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 10:48 PM
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23. So does this doom the senate seat
open in Georgia?

What a political tidal wave Georgia has seen in the past two years.
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jobendorfer Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 12:49 AM
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25. more than that
In my humble opinion, the party needs to make an example of
this guy.

They can't expel him from office, but they can (and should)

- kick this guy out of any chairmanships he holds
- cut him off from party funding
- and make absolutely certain that every bit of legislation
he authors in the rest of his term is DOA.

They need to make life so hard and so painful and so miserable
for this clown that for the next hundred years, no democrat
even *contemplates* this kind of move for more than a micro-
second.

I mean, I understand that every once in a while an issue can
come along where a Senator has to say "hey -- it's in the
best interests of my constituents to back the President on
this one." Miller's made a career out of doing this. And
it enrages me that a sitting democrat, elected on the democratic
dime, is endorsing the opposition's presidential candidate.
Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable. And if the party leader-
ship lets this one roll by -- hell, I don't even know what to
say. Okay, rant over.

J.


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