Question: The two representatives in C-Span this morning

[LittleApple81]

Carolyn McCarthy , D-NY
Marsha Blackburn , R,
That went to Iraq; the only place I heard mentioned where they visited and talked to the newly liberated women who are not afraid of Saddam's rape rooms and are enjoying the first job was Massoul. Isn't that one of the few areas where things were OK before the US got there? It seems to me that they DID NOT TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE REAL MESS.
Is that your impression? I don't want to read the Blogs, not interested in reading more propaganda blabber.

[La_Serpiente]

1. She has a webblog about her trip

suprising, she and the another representative were the ONLY Democrats that went to Iraq.

Here is her webblog

http://www.house.gov/carolynmccarthy/Iraqtripweblog.htm


The British offered the Democrats a plane to go to Iraq. However, President Bush stopped the plane from coming.

Maybe Bush chosed her because she can be easily manipulated.

[bryant69]

2. Yep

I sure wouldn't want to read anything that disagreed with my political beliefs either. Best to just shut out all information that disagrees with what I already think.

Come on, let's not delude ourselves into thinking that Saddam Hussein was a good ruler. He was a monster. THere are certainly places that are doing better off now than before he took over. While I deplore how we got in this war, and the lies that President Bush and his staff seem to constantly tell, still it's probably better for the Iraqi people that Saddam not be in charge anymore.

There are two tracks we need to follow--one is making sure the American people understand how decietful this administration was in leading us to this war and how their ideological blinders and their economic ties to haliburton (and others) make them untrustworthy stewards of American foreign policy. The second task is that we need to ensure that Iraq is able to rebuild as a free society free of Saddam's and our own power. Obviously this is not a situation we would have chosen, but it is one we find ourselves in.

Bryant
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[rusty charly]

3. but this is the situation

repugs are always putting the country in. with the savings and loan: oh well the money's disappeared and we just have to deal with it. the 2000 election: well, he's in the white house now, so we just have to deal with that. well we're in iraq now, so we just have to deal with it. this is there MO, "let's just do what we want and then it'll be too late for them to do anything about it and it's irreversable"

[LittleApple81]

4. Perhaps you are right. And I have to admit I have a bias because

I was opposed to this war to begin with, not because I like Saddam (a horrific "human" being) but because I think the world does not tackle its horrors they way it should.
I don't know when and if we are going to get to the point where the UN or another world body can be formed with countries that believe in human rights, with enough resources to analyze situations in the world, so it could intervene in situations like what existed in Iraq and exist in so many other countries where massacres, hunger, violence, and pillage are "performed" by their own "native" horrors. This intervention would be a concerted effort with the least amount of violence and the most participation from the population. Again, this is a "pipe dream" because there are so many contingencies in each country that it would be almost impossible to achieve.
But I really do not believe in killing Iraqis that had nothing to do with Saddam and actually suffered under his domination or treating them as if all of them are "terrorists" or assuming that it is ok to call their country a "cockroach hotel" as it has been defined by the repugs, especially when Saudis were involved with 9/11 and not Iraqis. The premise under which we occupied them was wrong.
The problem I see is that the US by occupying Iraq has attracted a lot of violent people to that country that are subjecting its population to horrors "we don't want to see in our streets." The implication is that this is OK, their lives are less worthy than ours.
I don't know if now we will be able to do all the good that we need to do to avoid collapse of the entire area. I feel resentful because WE ARE IN THIS SITUATION NOW! We were dragged kicking and screaming and now WE have to clean up after the mess was created.