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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:37 AM
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'I apologize' for voting for Bush
This was the header for the following letter to the editor, which appeared in today's daily fishwrap:

"I'm a registered Republican. I voted for George W. Bush and contributed financially to his campaign. I was wrong. I apologize. Bush is the worst president America has had -- ever.

Bush has turned the entire world against America. He has lied to the American people and gotten us in a terrible mess in Iraq. There were no Iraqi weapons of mass destruction that threatened America. There was no Iraqi connection with international terrorism.

Before Sept. 11, 2001, there were a few hundred Saudi and Egyptian terrorists. Bush's policies since 9/11 have created hundreds of thousands of new terrorist recruits throughout the Muslim world. Bush created this monster.

We are wasting our national treasure in Iraq due to Bush's arrogant, "pre-emptive warfare" doctrine. We have lost 3 million jobs since Bush took office -- and we are exporting our remaining manufacturing and high-tech jobs to low-wage countries at a dizzying pace.

We are piling up massive deficits that will ultimately create chaos in our economy.

Bush must be replaced."

link: http://www.oregonlive.com/letters/oregonian/index.ssf?/...

I'm seeing more of these lately, but this was a particularly satisfying one. Some Republicans are getting the message....
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:38 AM
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1. It could be disinformation too.
The Republicans do this all of the time. "I'm a Democrat, and I hate Democratic policies x, y, z."
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:42 AM
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5. That crossed my mind
I know it's an old Repub tactic, but if some Dems are using it, I'll take it.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:43 AM
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7. It could be... but it's been a substantiated pattern lately
One case in point was a recent issue of "The Washington Spectator" in which an old-school Republican journalist wrote a piece on the need to get rid of Bush.
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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:49 AM
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11. Disinformation?
Edited on Fri Oct-24-03 11:50 AM by Paschall

The letter is signed. Why not give Gregg Smith in Salem, Oregon a call? Or check GOP contribution reports?
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LionInWinter Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:30 PM
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25. I checked the FEC page ...
and Gregg Smith of Salem, Oregon doesn't look like much of a republican. He's given $1000 to Clark, $500 to Dean and $500 to Kerry. He's also listed as giving $1000 to Giuliani in 2000.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:36 PM
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26. Good find
Maybe he really has been swayed; he gave to a Repub in 2000, now he's giving to Dems. It's not hard to imagine a guy like tht voting for Bush in 2000, then thinking better of it.
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LionInWinter Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:39 PM
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28. If you want to check him out (or anyone else for that matter) ...
to to www.fec.gov/finance_reports.html

Scroll down, click on individual search & have fun!

btw - Barbara Bush lists herself as "homemaker" on her forms!
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 06:50 PM
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41. That's pretty cool...
I looked up Ken Lay and it gave me a complete history of his donations...
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:38 PM
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27. Not all Republicans are neocons
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LionInWinter Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:46 PM
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31. That's true ...
but the FEC site has listings for the 1999-2000 presidential cycle & he's not listed as donating to Bush/Cheney.

Then again, if he didn't donate more than $200, he wouldn't show up anyway.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:09 PM
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38. Could be PAC moneys, though
He said he "contributed financially" to the shrub campaign, not that it was an individual donation of more than $200.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 06:25 PM
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39. There ya go
The timeline matches the conversion he outlines in his letter. It's entirely possible that he donated through a company that he owns or works for, too.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:07 PM
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18. Possible - but one of my best friends who is conservative.....
Edited on Fri Oct-24-03 12:07 PM by Selwynn
Has basically said the same thing - that he regrets voting for Bush. Actually two of my friends have said this. I'm thinking that this is a more common pattern these days..
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 07:18 PM
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44. That's possible, but even here in eastern Oklahoma (VERY Red area),
I am bumping into more and more people who tell me essentially the same thing. I'm not dancing naked on the lawn just yet, but I sense a bit of hope...
:evilgrin:
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:38 AM
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2. Thanks--it's short & sweet, and its aim is true. (eom)
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:40 AM
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3. Apology accepted, welcome aboard matey
Nice to see.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:44 AM
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8. Disclaimer
I didn't write the letter and I didn't vote for Bush.

I voted for the evil Ralph Nader, for which I'm not apologizing.

I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is in 2004.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:46 AM
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10. Although I despise your very existance.......
I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is in 2004.

I will let you live.

:-)
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:52 PM
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34. I voted for Nader too
Edited on Fri Oct-24-03 12:52 PM by mdmc
but in the spirit of this thread, I hereby apologize.
:dem:
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 06:44 PM
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40. Stevie D Thank You !!

"I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is in 2004."

This should be a given for anyone who wants * gone in 04

but to my complete dismay this is not the case.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:40 AM
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4. I don't care if he's a Dem or a Repug, it got printed......
and maybe, just maybe, someone else will read it and see the light!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:42 AM
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6. My sentiments exactly
Whether it's disinformation or not, the letter made some very salient points, without hysterical overstatement, of just what is wrong with this corrupt administration. I felt muy good reading that letter in the Boregonian this morning. I hope some of their editorial page editors read it over a time or two, as well.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:45 AM
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9. Without "hysterical overstatement"
makes me believe that the letter is authentic and not disinformation.

Most people planting disinformation can't refrain from "going over the top"
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:56 AM
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12. Maybe, just maybe, the SHEEP ARE WAKING UP!
I have seen myself freinds that where always Republican, waivering, if not completely shifting to Independent.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:59 AM
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13. like the new guy yesterday
Someone new came on the board yesterday (posted that thread about newsmax) that also bailed on the Repugs. The people who are bailing need to start waking up their friends. The friends might listen to them. The friends never listen to US.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:03 PM
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14. I'm glad these republicans are "gettintg the message"..
I'm just on a break from work and had to get on DU because some repuke at our Co-op today said he "bet bush was going to win and called all the Dem candidates "jokes"!

I said .."bush is the joke"! And I was shaking inside..I can't believe how deeply it affects me.

Anyway I feel better now and can't wait to see his face when Our Country proves him Wrong! :)
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:05 PM
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16. me too...
Any time I have to debate one of these zealots it makes me really unstable inside. My anger and disappointment almost overwhealm me. I can't even talk straight because I am so angry.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:10 PM
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19. Nice to know I'm not alone in that!
:)
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:50 PM
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33. Definitely not!
Some of those people make me want to scream they are so bloody ignorant and irrational!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:04 PM
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15. Great letter!
>>Bush must be replaced<<<.........I AGREE! Wholeheartedly!

Thanks for the post.
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:05 PM
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17. An apology from my brother
also a repug and retired military, he is very angry about the war. He said he spent 25 years in the navy on subs protecting this country, and never did he think we would invade another country on such little eveidence. He said many of his fellow commrades feel the same, he just came back from a navy reuion. He really hates bush with a passion!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:10 PM
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20. Wow
Very sad. These guys have more reason than anyone to hate Bush. Do they know Bush cut $15 billion in veteran's benefits out of the budget?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:13 PM
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21. This is Really Encouraging!
Especially after my encounter today with a diehard.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:16 PM
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22. I know three more just like this letter writer
My stepson, the fundie, turns purple when you mention Whistle Ass. Says, "I thought he was a good Christian man."

Another who describes herself as a moderate who voted for Bush but says she's disillusioned.

Another who calls himself a conservative who says, "Shame on him if he even runs for re-election (sic)."

The sentiment is very real and is spreading. As long as our soldiers die in Iraq and jobs continue to be lost it'll continue to grow. The bastard is toast.

I also understand the internal feelings while dealing with the remaining Bush-butt-lickers. But just keep thinking about the day when their sweetheart has his ass handed to him in the general election.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:20 PM
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23. LOL!
"But just keep thinking about the day when their sweetheart has his ass handed to him in the general election."

I'm looking forward to that day, that's for sure!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:44 PM
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30. Keep feeding the disgruntled
You don't have to turn them into rabid DUers, but by feeding those who thought W. was "a good Christian man" with a little information over time, you can keep them from bolting back inside the corral.

Remember, they only have one vote. Let's make sure they cast it correctly next November. We don't care if they vote Democratic while holding their nose, throwing up afterward, or feel like they need to shower afterward -- just make sure they don't vote for this fraud!
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:30 PM
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24. Wow. That's big news.
You know what would be great? If Bush got a primary challenge from an actual moderate Republican like McCain, Chafee, etc. Hell, almost anybody.

I really hope there are more Republicans like that guy. I sure don't hear many around here.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:42 PM
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29. Well we knew that for years.
Poor guy, coming alive late.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 12:48 PM
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32. This makes sense in Oregon
not to say all Oregon republicans are moderate by any means. But we are leading the nation in unemployment, so jobs is big... and when jobs are percieved as going to "feriners" - that's the worst for our slightly xenophobic state. Also, our state just went through a mini-California style budget crisis (also Enron-related). Everybody here is feeling the burn of regressive taxation and unfunded mandates... Oregonians don't take too well to having to add supplemental state taxes to make up for federal shortfalls in funding (we will never have a sales tax here, just on principle). I'm also guessing this fella didn't benefit from the Bush tax cuts...or his big,big property taxes more than made up for what he got back (we just got our assessments in the mail - Yikes! mine went up nearly 40%)
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 02:42 PM
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35. Why did yours go up 40%?
Just curious. Mine went up the standard three and a half percent. I'm willing to bet that most of my neighbors (probably mostly Republicans) didn't get a huge hit on their taxes either.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 02:44 PM
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36. I was surprised a few weeks ago
When talking with some of my central Oregon friends, who are Republican. The wife has always been a staunch Repub, but during our conversation, she went off on how Bush's war is only about oil. I was shocked.
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DealsGapRider Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 02:50 PM
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37. That about sums up my attitude toward Bush...
...except for the part about how there were only a few hundred terrorists before Bush came along. That's wishful thinking. I agree that the Iraq war was a great al Qaeda recruiting tool, but al Qaeda camps cranked out literally tens of thousands of terrorist trainees before Bushie ever stole the presidency.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 07:08 PM
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42. A friend just convinced his pro-Bush very conservating mother..
after many months of conversation, to change her mind. She is now signing 'impeach bush' petitions.
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Demographic Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 07:13 PM
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43. help
we could use your help in the discussions at this website. the republicans are running rampant and shooting off their mouths again.

http://www.dealofday.com/board/forumdisplay.php?s=&foru...
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 07:31 PM
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45. another Republican, former CIA agent Larry Johnson
JOHNSON:...If a Democrat had done this, we would see the Republicans up in arms. As a Republican, I think we need to be consistent on this. It doesn't matter who did it, it didn't matter which party was involved. This isn't about partisan politics. This is about protecting national security and national security assets and in this case there has been a betrayal, not only of the CIA officers there, but really a betrayal of those of us who have kept the secrets over the years on this point...

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/24/cnna.leak/
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