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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 12:52 PM
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photo of flag-draped soldiers caskets
Edited on Wed Oct-22-03 01:13 PM by protect freedom impe
why is it when remains are found from a war that took place
over 30 yrs ago -- there are photos.

YET when the dead soldiers remains are returned from Iraq
there are no photos.

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Members of the Yokota Air Base, Japan Honor Guard prepare to unload caskets containing possible remains of US military personnel from the Vietnam War during a repatriation ceremony here. The remains, including three from Vietnam and two from Laos, were flown here by a C-17 Globemaster III aircraft. The remains were uncovered by the people from the Joint Task Force-Full Accounting, in September. (Photo by Master Sgt. Val Gempis)



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1st Special Forces Group
(Airborne)
Nathan Chapman

killed in Afghanistan




http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/7_02/national_...

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try a GOOGLE photos search for term - Iraq caskets

or try - soldier casket Iraq

or try - any other combination......NOT ONE PHOTO !

NOT ONE photo

NONE !!!!


Censorship is the way of this illegal Bush administration.

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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 01:03 PM
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1. Only good news
is to be reported and unfortunately some poor dead soldier is not good news and may spook the public. Building schools ,new currency, electricity up etc is the only subjects allowed to the media at this time. Check back later and we may allow the media to cover this but for now, no go!
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ex_jew Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 01:04 PM
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2. Since it's just a box with a flag on it, why not make your own !
I plan to leave a growing pile of these in the front yard as a reminder of what's going on.
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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 01:27 PM
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3. i think i saw an article
about how shrubco would not ALLOW! any more pictures to be taken of caskets coming off the trucks.

our children dont "die" they just go down the memory hole.
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CarlosNH Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 01:46 PM
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4. Here is the article
Curtains Ordered for Media Coverage of Returning Coffins

Since the end of the Vietnam War, presidents have worried that their military actions would lose support once the public glimpsed the remains of U.S. soldiers arriving at air bases in flag-draped caskets.

To this problem, the Bush administration has found a simple solution: It has ended the public dissemination of such images by banning news coverage and photography of dead soldiers' homecomings on all military bases.

/snip/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55816-20...

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 04:46 PM
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5. Hi CarlosNH!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 08:54 AM
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12. thanks!
btw, where in New Hampshire are you?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 04:50 PM
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6. I have collected pictures since the start
and in the last couple of weeks there is nothing, zip, nada. It's really weird. As a matter of fact, it's not just pics of casualties. For the last few days there has been almost no news or pictures of anything in Iraq.

I guess the 'free' press doesn't want the world to be reminded of what a fuck up W really is?

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 04:58 PM
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7. Later in the WP article, they even go so far as to blame Clinton.
Edited on Wed Oct-22-03 05:05 PM by VolcanoJen
A Pentagon spokeswoman said the military-wide policy actually dates from about November 2000 -- the last days of the Clinton administration -- but it apparently went unheeded and unenforced, as images of caskets returning from the Afghanistan war appeared on television broadcasts and in newspapers until early this year. Though Dover Air Force Base, which has the military's largest mortuary, has had restrictions for 12 years, others "may not have been familiar with the policy," the spokeswoman said. This year, "we've really tried to enforce it."

Still later in the piece, they dug up a quote from old favorite (and vigiliant decorated General Wesley Clark-hater), former Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. Henry Shelton, even gave us a neato, hip buzz phrase for the phenomenon in which Americans grieve their war dead, calling it "The Dover Test:"

The Pentagon has previously acknowledged the effect on public opinion of the grim tableau of caskets being carried from transport planes to hangars or hearses. In 1999, the then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Army Gen. Henry H. Shelton, said a decision to use military force is based in part on whether it will pass "the Dover test," as the public reacts to fatalities.

Nice try, and we all realize the "Blame Clinton!" line works on most people, but it didn't work on us, not now, not ever. Later the article supplies examples of Clinton visiting the arrival of coffins during his terms, saying, "But the photos of coffins arriving at Andrews and elsewhere continued to appear through the Clinton administration. In 1996, Dover made an exception to allow filming of Clinton's visit to welcome the 33 caskets with remains from Commerce Secretary Ronald H. Brown's plane crash. In 1998, Clinton went to Andrews to see the coffins of Americans killed in the terrorist bombing in Nairobi. Dover also allowed public distribution of photos of the homecoming caskets after the terrorist attack on the USS Cole in 2000."

The photos of coffins continued for the first two years of the current Bush administration, from Ramstein and other bases. Then, on the eve of the Iraq invasion, word came from the Pentagon that other bases were to adopt Dover's policy of making the arrival ceremonies off limits.




Welcome to Dover Air Force Base. Bush is President now, so hand me that camera, and don't speak of what you saw here.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 05:23 PM
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9. On the eve of the Iraq invasion
they also made the ICRC stop counting civilian casualties in Iraq.

On March 24, 2003 the ICRC stopped issuing their daily reports from Iraq. When they resumed a few weeks later, they were a shadow of their former selves. They have not resumed reporting casualties since.

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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 05:03 PM
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8. mainly Canadian photos of dead soldiers
http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?c=news_photos...


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Burundian soldiers march past the casket of assassinated president Melchior Ndadaye 5 December 1993. His death in an abortive military coup on 21 October, 1993 sparked a civil war in the country which has now entered its 11th year(AFP/File/Alexander Joe)
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An Indonesian soldier and paramedics officer carry a casket of a bus crash victim at a hospital in Situbondo, East Java province, October 10, 2003. The driver of a truck involved in the bus crash that killed more than 50 school children has been captured by police, a senior officer said on Friday. REUTERS/Sigit Pamungkas
Reuters - Oct 10 8:52 AM

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Tina Beerenfenger (C), wife of Canadian soldier Cpl. Robbie Beerenfenger, is comforted by her son Matthew (R) after Brig. Gen. J. Ivan Fenton (L) presented her with the flag from his casket at a funeral service in Petawawa, Ontario, October 9, 2003. Beerenfenger and Sgt. Robert Short, were killed when their vehicle hit an explosive device while on patrol near Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 09 6:52 PM

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Tina Beerenfenger (2nd L), wife of Canadian soldier Cpl. Robbie Beerenfenger, watches the arrival of his casket with his father Daniel Roy (L) and her son Matthew, at a funeral service in Petawawa, Ontario, October 9, 2003. Beerenfenger and Sgt. Robert Short, were killed when their vehicle hit an explosive device while on patrol near Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 09 5:49 PM

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Tina Beerenfenger (2nd-R), wife of Canadian soldier Cpl. Robbie Beerenfenger, is saluted by Brig. Gen. J. Ivan Fenton (L) after being presented with the flag from his casket at a funeral service in Petawawa, Ontario, October 9, 2003. Beerenfenger and Sgt. Robert Short, were killed when their vehicle hit an explosive device while on patrol near Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 09 5:53 PM

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The casket of Canadian soldier Cpl. Robbie Beerenfenger, is carried past his wife Tina (L) during a funeral service in Petawawa, Ontario, October 9, 2003. Beerenfenger and Sgt. Robert Short, were killed when their vehicle hit an explosive device while on patrol near Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 09 5:24 PM

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Soldiers from the Army's 10th Mountain Division fold a U.S. flag from the casket of Pfc. Evan O'Neill as O'Neill's father, Michael O'Neill, of Haverhill, Mass. salutes while fiancee Sarah Ferrick of Plaistow, N.H., right, and Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney look on during a graveside service in North Andover, Mass., Thursday, Oct. 9, 2003. O'Neill was killed last month in a battle with suspected Taliban forces in Afghanistan . (AP Photo/Julia Malakie)
AP - Oct 09 5:28 PM

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The casket of Canadian soldier Sgt. Robert Short, is carried by pallbearers in front of an honor guard upon arriving by plane at a Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Ontario, October 5, 2003. Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three injured when their vehicle ran over an explosive device while on patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. Photo by Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 06 2:00 PM

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A Canadian flag is blown off the casket of soldier Corporal Robbie Beerenfenger upon arriving at a Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Ontario, October 5, 2003. Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three injured when their vehicle ran over an explosive device while on patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. Photo by Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 06 1:45 PM

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The casket of Canadian soldier Sgt. Robert Short is carried by pallbearers upon arriving at a Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Ontario, October 5, 2003. Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three injured when their vehicle ran over an explosive device while on patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. Photo by Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 05 10:09 PM

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The casket of Canadian soldier Sgt. Robert Short, is carried by pallbearers in front of an honor guard upon arriving by plane at a Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Ontario, October 5, 2003. Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three injured when their vehicle ran over an explosive device while on patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 05 2:51 PM

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The casket of Canadian soldier Sgt. Robert Short, is lowered from a plane in front of an honor guard upon arriving at a Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Ontario, October 5, 2003. Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three injured when their vehicle ran over an explosive device while on patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 05 2:47 PM

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The casket of Canadian soldier Sgt. Robert Short casket is carried past Prime Minister Jean Chretien (2nd-R) upon arriving at a Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Ontario, October 5, 2003. Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three injured when their vehicle ran over an explosive device while on patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 05 2:44 PM

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Pallbearers carry the casket of Canadian soldier Corporal Robbie Beerenfenger past an honor guard upon arriving at a Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Ontario, October 5, 2003. Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three injured when their vehicle ran over an explosive device while on patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 05 2:30 PM

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A Canadian flag is blown off the casket of soldier Corporal Robbie Beerenfenger upon arriving at a Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Ontario, October 5, 2003. Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three injured when their vehicle ran over an explosive device while on patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 05 2:29 PM

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Joshua Short (C), son of Canadian soldier Sgt. Robert Short, wipes away a tear as his father's casket arrives at a Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Ontario, October 5, 2003. Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three injured when their vehicle ran over an explosive device while on patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 05 2:33 PM

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Joshua Short (front-R), son of Canadian soldier Sgt. Robert Short, pauses as his father's casket arrives at a Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Ontario, October 5, 2003. Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three injured when their vehicle ran over an explosive device while on patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 05 2:24 PM

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The casket of Canadian soldier Sgt. Robert Short casket is carried past his son Joshua (R) upon arriving at a Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Ontario, October 5, 2003. Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three injured when their vehicle ran over an explosive device while on patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 05 2:04 PM

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The casket of Canadian soldier Sgt. Robert Short casket is carried past his son Joshua (R), and his brother Mitchell, upon arriving at a Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Ontario, October 5, 2003. Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three injured when their vehicle ran over an explosive device while on patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young
Reuters - Oct 05 2:06 PM

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A Canadian honor guard watches as two of their fallen colleagues' caskets are loaded into a military transport plane at Kabul airport, Afghanistan on October 4, 2003. Hundreds of Canadian troops paid tribute Saturday to two Canadian soldiers who were killed and three wounded when their jeep hit a land mine in the Afghan capital Kabul on Thursday. The incident marked Canada's first casualties since it sent around 2,000 troops in August on a one-year attachment to the International Security Assistance Force. REUTERS/Richard Vogel/POOL
Reuters - Oct 04 6:53 AM

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Exsquid Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 05:27 PM
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10. That's sad
That breaks my heart. Those were good people.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 08:36 AM
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11. Kick n/t
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 10:59 AM
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13. Canadian, British have photos of flag-drapedcaskets....
Edited on Thu Oct-23-03 11:01 AM by protect freedom impe
Canadian and the British have allowed photos to be taken
during soldiers caskets arriving from Iraq and at funerals.

Only US soldiers killed in Afghanistam have had photos allowed.

Yet None from Bush's Iraq Occupation

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Thu Oct 9, 5:24 PM ET

The casket of Canadian soldier Cpl. Robbie Beerenfenger, is carried past his wife Tina (L) during a funeral service in Petawawa, Ontario, October 9, 2003. Beerenfenger and Sgt. Robert Short, were killed when their vehicle hit an explosive device while on patrol near Kabul, Afghanistan (news - web sites) on October 2. REUTERS/Jim Young


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THESE are the photos that the Bush administration
is not allowing America to see of the dead US soldiers.....



http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/casualties.htm









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