Homeland Spying - "Slam-dunk Proof" - Bush's Disregard for Law and Honesty

[Peter Frank]

I can't take credit for catching this video compilation; guruoo posted it HERE


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MSNBC's David Shuster has emerged as a genuine investigative journalist



Direct link -- http://www.castpost.com/Lib/playWMV2.php?filename=http://arkansastonight.castpost.com/Hardball-Spy-Shuster.wmv&width=280&height=200
Original link -- http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/12/23.html#a6451

Note that the FISA court is the most lax court in the land where it comes to granting surveillance warrants. It's refused only five of some 20,000 requests. Also, the NSA could have notified the court of it's activities days afterward, without a problem. Bush's warrant-less Homeland Spying Program is still ongoing (he's renewed it every 45 days since he implemented it).


No more proof is necessary to show that, by his own words, Bush knows he's violating our Constitution -- the document he swore on "the Bible" to http://bensguide.gpo.gov/3-5/symbols/oaths.html">preserve, protect and defend ; while having told big lies during the '04 campaign.

[Rainscents]

1. Bush is lying scumbag!

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[BuyingThyme]

2. "Slam dunk?" I've heard that somewhere before:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5663753

[Peter Frank]

5. I used the term to highlight the difference between...

...the unproven "slam-dunk" which was supposed to be Iraq's WMD and Bush's proved transgressions.

[BuyingThyme]

6. Me too.

[Peter Frank]

10. .

;)

[tulsakatz]

4. Shuster rules!!

He always does a great job of reporting!!

Of course Bush knew it was wrong!! Every time you see some Republican defending Bush, somehow they never seem to have an answer for why Bush needed to do it this way instead of doing it the legal way. Of course, they always use the typical Bush excuse that time is the main concern but they never really talk about how they can do the surveillance now and then ask the court later.

One thing I wish some reporter would ask is.........if Bush thought he had this legal authority, why did he try to stop the NY Times from reporting the story? Yes, we all know Bush says it is bad for the terrorists to know he's doing it. I'd also like them to explain how is it bad for the terrorists to know this? The terrorists have known for years that their phone calls and emails are being bugged so why is it bad that they know it now? You're not telling them they don't already know...........

[Peter Frank]

9. Does anyone in their "right" mind believe that the terrorists...

...didn't want the U.S. government to shrink into a bunker mentality? This puts us on their level -- where what we traditionally stand for can be undermined.

Welcome to the new world order? I certainly hope not. Let's force Democratic leaders to lead!

[FreedomAngel82]

24. Or they use the excuse

as "speed." Apparently with the NSA/FISA speed isn't a problem and hasn't been a problem in the past. So where was Bush using NSA/FISA before 9/11? Has anybody asked that? And yes you'd have to be a moron not to think the terrorist don't know they're being spied on. Just watch any movie with spies and you can see it there! :eyes: Are they really that big of a moron?? I mean c'mon.

[ProfessorGAC]

32. My Question As Well

If they know we're spying, doesn't that make the terrorists planning harder? Doesn't it make it harder for them to transfer funds? Catching one or two seems far less efficient than making their whole operation run less smoothly, and one would think that just knowing they're under constant surveillance would gum up the works for them? Making a hundred terrorists think twice, or stop planning because their plans might be detected is far more efficient than a couple finding out, by being arrested, they were being spied upon.
The Professor

[lvx35]

7. In my opinion, MSNBC has been hitting home runs one after the other lately

I saw the most real raw commentary on the spy scandal, and real commentary on impeachment...plus Keith Olbermann, plus this. Even Tucker Carlson was speaking out against the spy scandal, as a known conservative on his MSNBC show. All this while Cooper Anderson reported on "the crimes of PETA" and Fox had its head up its usual ass. MSNBC has become the only network I trust for real news, and will let them know. If you value this kind of reporting, you will too:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3303518/

[Peter Frank]

8. Thank you...

E-mail Hardball -- [email protected] I'll work on getting David Shuster's addy...

As I said in another thread -- May the supply for real journalism catch up with the demand.

[FtWayneBlue]

12. I wonder how the coming pullout of Microsoft

will affect the politics at MSNBC.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

19. Yet on the other hand,today they keep airing Powell saying that the

Shrub did was within his rights, and even had some pundit on, saying that there was nothing illegal with what Shrub did. It appears that MSNBC has a split personality going on.

[lvx35]

23. At least their talking about it.

Yeah, I have heard all kinds of insanity out of Tucker Carlson too...But at least they're talking about it. I would rather hear conservatives defending their action on a huge constitutional issue than hear about a fictitious war on X-mas! :)

[Peter Frank]

28. Yes...

Let's have the battle lines drawn on real issues -- and nothing is more real than a Constitutional challenge by a sitting president whose party controls both houses of Congress.

[tulsakatz]

21. I agree..........

.....I usually watch Olbermann and Matthews but I have to agree they've been scoring some big points for our side. Yes, sometimes Matthews makes some stupid comments but overall I think they're doing a good job.

I like Anderson Cooper, mainly because of his compassionate reporting during Katrina but I don't really watch him regularly. If I'm home and think about it, I'll switch over but I don't make a point to watch him every night as I do with Olbermann.

[FreedomAngel82]

25. I watch Olbermann every once in a while

if I'm going to watch anything. And I don't care if it's for "our side" I just care about the truth. If the democrats were in power and doing the same things I'd want to know too. I've never really watched Cooper. It's on when I'm doing other stuff.

[tulsakatz]

34. Olbemann is the only one I watch every day......

.....it doesn't really bother me to miss the others but I always make a point to watch Olbermann.

[indepat]

11. Could a book the size of an unabridged dictionary hold all the failures

of administration officials to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution? :shrug:

[Peter Frank]

13. More like an encyclopedia... n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

26. Or how about

a library? Heh!

[Higans]

14. Carefull what you think...

[Peter Frank]

15. Did you watch the video?...

There is no way that any president should get away with such law breaking and the lying. If Clinton had done this the RW would have gone ballistic -- and rightly so.

BTW the warrant-less spying is still going on. Bush has refused to suspend his program.

[savemefromdumbya]

16. or big sister!

[savemefromdumbya]

17. So what do we do with POTUS?

who is going to set the ball rolling?

[Peter Frank]

22. We can reach across the aisle to moderates...

...who share the same concerns.

[FreedomAngel82]

27. If you can trust them

I personally still can't trust Spector. He's the one who did the "magic bullet" theory and I don't trust him with that. I've heard he cares about the Constitution but does he really? Or just when it suits him too? I heard somewhere, either Stephanie Miller or a program on AAR, that Spector wants to wait until AFTER they confirm Alito. Now why would they do that? I don't trust Hagel much either because of the ES&S machines. And I still wonder why he's "against" Iraq. :\

[W2Hague]

18. Chimperor-in-Chief

Here's a "Happy New Year's" Graphic for all my friends at DemoUnderground that is illustrative of what we as Americans have been forced to face for the past five years (Feels like 10!)


__________________ http://www.bruindesign.com ___________________________



Hope y'all have a safe and healthy New Year.




Peace
D.L. Bruin

[emald]

20. I too, of late, have turned more and more often to MSNBC

for at least a bit of coverage that catches reality, not the shrubs line. This was an excellent compilation and makes a very succint point; shrub was lying his ass off during each of these speaches. This evil cabal which has corrupted the governement must go soon, very soon. If not I fear dreadfull things will happen from the hand of this witless liar who's already proven the stupidity of his actions.

[ClintonTyree]

29. Notice how bush always has that grin on his face..........

while he's lying to the Press and the American people? He always has that, "aww shucks" shit eating grin on his face, hoping that it will calm the people's concerns that their rights are being trampled. The man is a sociopath, a textbook defined, down the road, full tilt bozo sociopath. I hope "Red" America is happy. We warned them, we told them this bunch was not to be trusted. But we're "Liberals", tree hugging, queer loving, bleeding heart Liberals. What could WE possibly know about the "traditional values", "moral clarity" and "divine providence" that the "heartland of America" claims to have a monopoly on? Everyone that voted for this sociopath should have a "W" branded on their foreheads so we KNOW who the stupid ones are and avoid them like the plague. But at least he didn't have sex in the White House with an intern! That's what's REALLY important to our country! :sarcasm:

[Straight Shooter]

30. One of the things that irks me most about bush's speaking style

He leans forward, sweeps his hand or puts his hand on his heart, gives that weird smile and emphasizes words and/or speaks slowly, like he's explaining something to children. I have never in my life ever seen anybody but him do this. It's so irritating.

I won't even argue the point with bushies about this. He broke the law. End of story. There is no defense for breaking the law. There is no defense, especially since he had that 72-hour safety net. If I'm busted for speeding, it doesn't do any good to argue with the cop that there's no one on the highway at 2 a.m. and I should therefore be allowed to drive at 90 MPH even though the speed limit is 65. It doesn't change the fact I broke the law. The only difference is that I'm not shredding the Constitution as I'm doing it.

Rationalization is a child's modus operandi, not an adult's.

Thanks for sending a PM for this, Peter Frank.

[mzmolly]

31. Thank you Peter, recommended.

:hi:

[ecoalex]

33. It started when he took office

With the electricity fraud in the West.That was Impeachable.