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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 02:29 AM
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What happens when the 2,750th US soldier dies in Iraq?
Edited on Sun Dec-25-05 02:31 AM by garybeck
Will anyone notice that Bush will have killed more Americans than Osama Bin Laden did?

I know, I know, he already has, through all his other actions and negligence. But what I'm saying is the official number of soldiers dead is indisputable.

According to wikipedia, the official number of death certificates from 9/11 is 2,749. I just wonder if anyone is going to make note of the fact, when the number US soldiers dead in Iraq is greater...

I guess Gandhi was right when he said:


on edit: I want to add that in no way am I implying that I want this to happen. I hope they bring all the troops home tomorrow safely.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 02:30 AM
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1. Nothing will happen until there is a draft.
Murkins see this more like a chess game...it's not real until it affects THEM. It could reach 10,000 before there is any REAL protest. IMHO.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 02:35 AM
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4. My rich GOP friend who bribes her son to stay out of the war
still talks about how great an opportunity today's military is to give the "poor" $ for education. She hasn't put it together that they are putting their lives on the line to get an educational opportunity she gives her kids without sacrifice on their part what so ever.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 02:43 AM
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6. I know, it's tragic. Now that the Pell Grants have been reduced
and loan rates have risen, along with tuition, it makes it WAY harder for people like her son and especially the poorer, to have a chance BEYOND the military. A CONSPIRACY THEORIST might say the Bush/rethug cuts have served corporate interests AND the military/industrial complex. Reduce the options...kids sign up for the military OR become criminals...either way, we'll make money off of them.

My best friend is a member of the military for economic reasons. He's one of those who had few options after high school. He's served one tour in Afghanistan, one in Iraq, and is going back to Afghanistan in March. I just hope that your friend's son is served well by the military and isn't screwed like so many have been. :grouphug:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 02:33 AM
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2. Think about this. Add Katrina victims, who died just as surely
on the gulf coast through neglect as soldiers have died for lack of armor and a plan. Tell me then who's compassionate and has their act together? I know, I'm preaching to the choir, but this fact frosts me.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 02:40 AM
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5. The world saw how W let down our citizens in New Orleans
It will be a part of his legacy. "Brownie,you're doing one heckuf a job" while Condi shopped for $1,000 dollar shoes in New York, and Rummy attended a ball game. This administration is probably the coldest and unfeeling bunch in American history.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 02:35 AM
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3. George Bush wins a bet?
:sarcasm:
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 02:46 AM
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7. If it passes that Bush will be the biggest mass-murderer
since LBJ.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 02:49 AM
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8. well he's already killed 100,000 iraqis...
so I think he's already there.

my point was only about americans, since that's all some people seem to care about, at least the pundits on TV...
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 02:50 AM
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9. w will eat a live baby on prime time teevee to celebrate.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 10:56 AM
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18. ...and his fanatical followers will say he HAD to eat that baby to
protect us from "terrorism"!
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 03:04 AM
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10. Actually, it should be when the combined number
of Iraq fatalities and Afghanistan fatalities equal 2750. We musn't forget that Afghanistan is part of the war on terror too (in fact, the only war in a place that had any connection with 9/11), and that we've lost a substantial number of soldiers there as well. Currently, the combined number for the two conflicts is at 2422.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 03:13 AM
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12. thanks for that. nt
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whoretaculture Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 09:18 AM
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16. Your number
only works if it is a real cultural war. Add Spain and London and Indonesia and.....

Not to mention the next attack on us "infidels".

I'm one of the few around here that actually thinks the terrorists mean what they say (and for that matter what they do).

And of course the number of dead on either side means nothing in the long run. The stronger culture will prevail.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 10:49 AM
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17. I thought the "culture war"
was between those who say "Merry Christmas", want the Ten Commandments placed in government buildings, and and to ban Darwinism vs. those who say "Happy Holidays", and think that there is supposed to be a wall of separation between church and state.

Cultures, as in what you're describing, rarely obliterate one another in the absence of genocide. In any event, our cultures can be said to have been "at it" for nearly 1000 years if you start with the Crusades. There are many cultures that have been in conflict for long periods of time, with both of them still around and neither of them "prevailing". My guess is that we'll reach some sort of peaceful equilibrium with each other in the long run, though who knows how long that will take, and maybe we'll manage to self destruct as a species first.

Adding together all the terrorist attacks you mentioned, it doesn't add up to more than a tiny fraction of the people who have been killed by US policies, that might as well have been terrorism. This includes things like overthrowing a democratically elected Iranian government in the 1950's and replacing it with a puppet dictatorship, all the third world proxy wars and dictatorships, as well as direct mass murder like what we did in Vietnam.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 03:10 AM
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11. His family will receive a form letter stamped with scrubbies signature,
one dozen flowers, a flag, tupperware and a lifetime subscription to West Texas Monthly magazine.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 03:21 AM
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13. He killed more than that in New Orleans. Expect the same reaction.
If you think some NUMBER is gonna make the scales fall
from the freeper eyes, you are mistaken.

B*shCabal™ surpassed Osama BenFiction in the "Dead Americans" category
quite a while ago.

You seem to have missed that particular milestone.

The MEDIA didn't miss it- they just didn't mention it.

And the delusional people who still support the drug-addled murder-monkey
called "W" don't give a flying fuck about NUMBERS.
Numbers are too close to "logic" and "reason".

You are drilling a dry hole, compadre.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 03:24 AM
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14. New Orleans
I know, as I said in the top post of this thread, he's already passed it if you consider things like NO, and I don't dispute it at all.

I just think that the number of soldiers dead gets some attention and it will be a significant milestone when it surpasses the number who died on 9/11.

But I agree with you that it will not get much attention and nothing will become of it.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 03:56 AM
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15. Yeah, it will be a milestone to US, because we CARE.
But then, we CARED when the FIRST person died
for the B*shCabal™ LIES.

At least we THOUGHT we did;
it turned out the BloodMonkey Caucus was bombing Iraq
MONTHS before he told the public,
so I guess we will never really know who died FIRST.

100 thousand dead Iraquis later, I actually agree with 'w' on ONE thing:
I am not that worried about Osama either.

Osama never leveled Falluja with artillery fire
while his troops forced fleeing families back into the city.
He never comitted any of the thousand atrocities that
Chimpy McCokeSpoon has visited upon Iraq.

Osama is a major asshole who deserves to die for his crimes.
But, frankly, the world has bigger problems to deal with.

And most of the people on the face of this planet
agree that W is the biggest problem on the list.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 11:12 AM
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19. Why has it ever been publicly noted that ...
... the number of admittedly innocent civilian deaths in Iraq has exceedd ten times the number of people killed on 9/11? At 27,490, Iraq (less than one-tenth the size of the U.S.) sustained death at a rate more than 100 times greater! When we include the nominal "insurgents" killed, we're talking about a death rate 400 times greater than the U.S. sustained.
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Canadiana Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 11:17 AM
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20. Because they're BROWN, silly.
They don't matter.
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