They Love George Bush More Than They Love America

[QC]

Spying on citizens is the sort of thing we identify with the Soviets and the Nazis. It is unacceptable from any president, and if a Democrat had done it, I would want him out of office and in prison.

But observe our opponents in the GOP. They are circling the wagons around a president who has declared himself a dictator.

It's now official: the Republican Party is nothing more than a personality cult.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. The rw talking points are

that if we don't allow our civil liberties to go, our families will be nuked or something. What they don't get is if we throw away our liberties, the US has died-and the terrorists have achieved their goal to destroy us.

[C_U_L8R]

2. Give me liberty

or give me death

Nuff said

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

7. Live Free or Die

I agree. We have to preserve protect and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

[RobertSeattle]

20. New Modified Version

Give me Liberty or give me no Death Tax.

[Arkansas Granny]

23. That's right. If Bush and Co. continue to disregard our rights

and liberties, what are we fighting for. The terrorists will have won.

[shenmue]

3. True

It's like he's some kind of religious figure for them. It wouldn't matter if he ate a small child in front of them. They'd find some way to praise him for it. Beliefs are emotional, they fulfill personal needs, and that's why it's so hard to talk people out of them even when they openly contradict reality. B*** plays a certain role in keeping their 'picture of the world' intact, which is why they can't give him up no matter how much he fails.

[Rocknrule]

6. He IS a religious figure to them

He's like a prophet or the 2nd Son of God to them

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. I actually had a freeper tell me that

It was at the protests before the war. One woman kept coming by with her kids, yelling at us and telling us to go back to our country. One of the kids yelled that Bush was the Second Coming of Christ, and you could tell he meant it.

[QC]

12. Yes, he is. They imagine him as a prophet,

a godly man brought in to defend the nation in a time of need.

I can't begin to fathom it, but there it is.

[Arkansas Granny]

24. Pope John Paul II thought he was the anti-Christ.

Does that qualify as a religious figure?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

28. Honest to God? Did he really???

[Arkansas Granny]

30. I had read this some time ago.

When I googled it I came up with this link:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880

[truth2power]

10. You're correct. What I've been saying here over and over..

is that it's an emotional attachment. RW attitudes are based on emotions, not facts or logic. As you said, that's why they're so resistant to change.

Oh, and it's a death cult.

[ginnyinWI]

29. amen to that!

The chimp is their Big Daddy, and they are the scared little kids. He's gonna protect them from the big bad monsters out there.
Yeah, like he did on 9/11. :eyes:

[LynneSin]

4. Actually no: They hate FDR and Clinton more than they love Bush & America

Neo-Conservative sprouted after the New Deal was done by FDR which pretty much gave a fighting chance for the poor to make it here in the United States and live the American Dream.

And they hate Clinton because those same working class poor folks loved him. The obscenely rich need the working poor because the less they pay us (and trust me - if you make less than $100k, you're working poor) the more money they make. So silly things like pensions, healthcare, worker-safety, etc cuts into their bottom line. And social programs to help those who are without jobs cut even more into the obscenely-wealthy's bottom line.

Reagan was the first step to undo what FDR did and Bush Sr was to finish up the project. Only problem was Bush didn't get a second term - Clinton did and Clinton tried to reverse some of what Reagan did in hopes to continue on with what FDR started.

WHy do you think they had Bush Jr. & Jeb run for governorships of large states - because the neo-cons needed someone in there that could help them undo the time lost when Clinton was in charge. There weren't any Reagan kids capable of the job so they had to go with the Bush clan

[TallahasseeGrannie]

5. And the question is..

why? Why in the world? What can they possibly "see" in this guy?

[ThatsMyBarack]

8. I've asked myself that....

....for five long years now. :nuke:

[Sydnie]

18. I'm not sure it's what they see in him as much as it's what they refuse to

see in themselves ... that they could be wrong about anything. Confronting ones beliefs, on any level, is a gut-wrenching proposition. Once you decide that you were wrong about something that you spent so much time supporting, it tends to lead most thinking people to begin to question their core beliefs on many other levels. If they could be wrong about blivet** and his mandate "from God", could they also be wrong about "God's mandate for them"? Could they also be wrong about "God helps those that help themselves" and actually wind up thinking "He's not heavy, he's my brother"?

It is their very core beliefs that they are protecting. We know that not looking at it doesn't make it go away, but I believe that they refuse to accept that truth. That is why they stick their fingers in their ears and sing "Mary had a little lamb" out loud to themselves when ever anything enters their "comfort zone" of their core beliefs.

Experience is a great teacher. They feel they are insulated from any experience as long as they cling to their core beliefs. That is, until their mother finds herself widowed and no way to pay the taxes on Tara. Then, they look to their "living gods" to provide, or turn it over to their "higher power" to bring them through. It's not until their mother finds herself on Welfare do they understand what Welfare actually does. They can adjust their beliefs only to the point of believing that "their mother's case is special" and therefore exempt from their core beliefs that Welfare is a hand out not a hand up program. Special dispensation doesn't change their belief systems at all. They can adjust easily with that frame of mind.

It's their core beliefs that they cling to and blivet** had played well into that ... until Schaivo. Schaivo rocked their worlds because it challenged their core beliefs because, well, that could be their mother and that could be them being told what to do by the government.

It's like anything else. It doesn't even make a blip on their radar screen until the consequence effects them. Until then, they are happily wrapped up in their core beliefs and wouldn't voluntarily examine them for validity anymore than they would chop off their own nose.

Thinking people want to "evolve" and become better people. They just want to maintain where they are without having to question what they believe. They don't know WHY they believe what they believe. They didn't make a conscience effort to come up with a belief system of their own. They just believe what they believe and to hell with anyone that believes anything different than they do.

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[WinkyDink]

11. But WHY?? He's the epitome of "ICK"!!!!

Beady little eyes; ugly, witchy nose; twitchy, thin-lipped mouth; slurred speech; ignorant syntax; wierd and creepy touching and bald-head-rubbing; condescending and unfunny nicknaming; mean-spirited greed....

WHAT'S TO LIKE, let alone FOLLOW OBSEQUIOUSLY??

[TallahasseeGrannie]

14. I know. Just looking at him completely dispassionately

I just can't see the appeal.

However, my inlaws are German and my MIL tells me all the ladies thought Hitler was NOT.

Yikes.

[Virginian]

21. I think you meant HOT -- ? n/t

[TallahasseeGrannie]

27. Yes, HOT

the old eyes are what they used to be..sorry.

[underpants]

13. Very true QC

they really do

[UrbScotty]

15. As it is, our GOP guv candidate outsourced jobs to Communist China

Dick DeVos (MI) is the ex-head of Amway who outsourced 1,400 Michigan jobs to Communist China. And now he wants us to elect him based on the ECONOMY!

[Jacobin]

16. His supporters are royalists

They want a king, not a president and by damn they've got one.

[Gregorian]

17. It's the party of corporate salesmen.

Slick, oily, smirking, lying, rich, creepy, politicians.

What else is there to say. And that's why they are so hard to bring down. We are threatening the basic financial institutions of the country. Those that broadcast, for one.

And what you said.

[stickdog]

19. This can only help us win the war on terror when you consider that

the terrorists hate us for our freedoms.

[mikehiggins]

22. As long as we have Ipods, why do we need liberty?

A close relative of mine told me this issue doesn't really affect her, and she's probably right in one sense. It doesn't affect her weekly paycheck, or her ability to take a vacation touring California, or her work as a lawyer or any of that. I can't help but think she's right.

Freedom and liberties and civil rights only matter to people who know what they mean. People who are totally invested in the consumerism that has become our national identity see no relevance in anything that won't put an neat little Ikea teatable in their oak floored living room.

They just don't get it.

[EstimatedProphet]

32. Good point

This country has long been hypnotized by consumerism. It's our national identity. Even when we were busy condemning the Soviets we did it based mostly on consumerism-we talked about how little freedom they had because they had long shopping lines. The average person cannot distinguish between freedom and possessions, and thinks that comfort is the true standard instead of liberty.

[TahitiNut]

25. It's a Personality Cult ... with a Rorschach pRetzledent.

Junior's an ink blot ... and not a very good one.

[Cults4Bush]

26. Cults4Bush reporting for duty! lol...

They exhibit all the traits of a cult and thus deserve the moniker.

[YOY]

31. Actuallly I'd put it as...

"They hate the false definition given to the opposition (liberals) more than thay love America and therefore Love George Bush out of default logic..."

[Xenotime]

33. They are all mindless zombies...

that follow RUSH and Hannity. Pisses me OFF!

[HughBeaumont]

34. These people actually think he BROKE NO LAW . . .

. . . constitutional or otherwise.

Let's just COMPLETELY bypass that damned ol' 4th Amendment and that there FISA mess.

What's even sadder are the wagon-circlers that are smart enough to KNOW better. That's the most aggravating piece of it. Why would you throw your entire belief system out over a piece of SHIT?

[Rocknrule]

35. These people think he IS America

[roguevalley]

36. idolatry

[quaoar]

37. Salon has posted a link to this thread

http://daoureport.salon.com/

[QC]

38. Thanks for letting us know! n/t