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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:41 AM
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True or False? Convicted felons get NO social security!
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:57 AM by Ernesto
Anybody know for sure?
On edit: A friend told me that many folks that got into drug trouble back in the '60's were going to be very disappointed when they apply for retirement benefits.
Can this be true or is it just an "urban myth"?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:47 AM
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1. If you are in jail NO
If you are convicted of a crime
Tell Social Security right away if you are convicted of a crime. Benefits generally are not paid for the months a person is confined for a crime, but any family members who are eligible for benefits based on that persons work may continue to receive benefits.

Benefits usually are not paid to someone who commits a crime and is confined to an institution by court order and at public expense. This applies if the person has been found:

Not guilty by reason of insanity or similar factors (such as mental disease, mental defect or mental incompetence); or
Incompetent to stand trial.

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10153.html

If you have an outstanding warrant for your arrest
You must tell us if you have an outstanding arrest warrant for:

A crime that is a felony under the laws of the state in which you live; or
A crime punishable by death or imprisonment for more than one year in states that do not classify crimes as felonies.
You cannot receive disability benefits for any months in which there is an outstanding arrest warrant for a crime that is a felony (or a crime that is punishable by death or imprisonment for more than one year).


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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:56 AM
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2. Under present law
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:58 AM by happyslug
If in Prison or jail or "Other institution" no one gets Social Security unless going through a rehabilitation program (NOT Prison Rehabilitation but some sort of Rehab program to help some learn to work around his handicaps, a very limited exception).

As to ex-felons, the issue generally are they still insured by Social Security? To get Social Security you MUST have paid into the program 20 out of 40 Quarters (or one quarter for each year after you turn 21, but at least 6 quarters) AND paid into Social Security within the previous Five Years. Most felon right out of Jail DO NOT MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

Basically, you only get Social Security if you pay into the system. You do NOT pay into the system while you are in Prison. If you are out of Prison you can re-start paying into Social Security.

As to a blanket ban, why do you want a 65 year old person NOT get Social Security because he or she is a ex-felon for a crime he did in his 20s and released out of Prison while still in his 20s? A hypothetical situation but most felons STOP being felons in their 30s so NOT unheard of (yes, something like 80% of all prisoners return to prison, but that is a product of statistics, if a person is a felon in his late teens, typically burglary, he may go to prisons 3-4 times before he gets his act to together, thus just one person can have a 80% return to prison rate even through he stops committing felonies in his 30s).
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:05 AM
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3. Isn't it best to make sure they have no choice but to continue
committing crimes? Isn't that what the just society does? Punish and punish and punish until the offender finally dies? By all means lets keep aged felons away from any and all aid that might provide any security at all for them. Plus we really have to get the cable tv and the barka loungers out of prison. No wonder there is so much crime.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:10 AM
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5. ding ding ding -- and we have a winner!
our whole approach to the penal system is fucked up.

the prisons are too big.

they mix violent with nonviolent offenders.

there's no place for the truly rehabitable to go -- and they receive a pittance of teh assistance needed, etc.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:11 AM
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6. Your sarcasim is refreshing, and many here deserve to be chided.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:12 AM
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7. It's the culture of Christian forgiveness at work. nt
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:12 AM
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8. /sarcasm?
I think the point is that you either straighten up, get thrown in jail for a long time, end up dead so by the age of 30 or so one way or another you stop committing crime.

I really hope you were kidding. If I hear one more Republican equate cable TV with LIFE I will puke. I like TV more than most anyone I know but given my choice I think I would never watch TV again and still be able to walk outside when I want to.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:33 AM
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9. I think I am giving up emoticons for lent
If my intent cannot be determined from my words then I need to work on my writing skills. Plus it is always interesting to see who will agree with the proposition. See J Swift circa 16xx with his suggestion that the Irish eat their infants to resolve their famine problems. He did not rely on the :sarcasm: to get his point across.

My vision of hell (and I am an atheist) is strapped to a barka lounger forced to watch cable tv (no premium channels and no clicker) for eternity.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:46 AM
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10. /
I should have said that I was pretty sure that you were being sarcastic. I got it.
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Dissent Is Patriotic Donating Member (793 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:09 AM
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4. This is an excellent question...
I love that you zapped me out of my relentless pursuit of hatred for this admin. for a minute. Thanks
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:54 AM
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11. and in other news, Elderly selling meds to addicts to buy food
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

It almost sounds like they are better off in jail, since jail is forced to provide healthcare etc. How f'd up is that?
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:00 AM
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12. It's the Bush plan to reform Social Security. Put everybody possible
in Jail. That way the system can be saved for those it was intended for: Rich White Folk.
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