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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:46 PM
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MUST READ- bush to turn Iraq over to terrorists
This was news to me. I accidently posted it in the politics discussion board. This info is being ignored by the media and is too important.

What would you call someone who wants to hand over control of Iraq to a group of terrorists that first made its reputation by blowing up a couple of American embassies?

I'd call him President Bush.

The group is called the Dawa party. In the early 1980s, Dawa terrorists bombed our embassies in Kuwait and in Lebanon. They were universally recognized as vicious America-hating, Iranian-supported terrorists. Now they're part of the coalition that is expected to win control of the new Iraqi parliament in Thursday's elections.

The other coalition partners aren't much better. The sanest group on the Shi'a side is the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq. A 1984 Washington Post story portrayed the group, known by its initials SCIRI, as "a kind of parent organization for four operational terrorist groups." SCIRI was founded in Iran a couple of years earlier by the Ayatollah Khomeini with the goal of taking control of Iraq. Now, they're about to do so, courtesy of George W. Bush.

<SNIP>

...said Bob Baer, a former CIA agent who dealt with Dawa in the Mideast during the 1980s. "These guys are murderers. They were the core element that blew up our embassy in Beirut in 1983."

Not to mention our embassy in Kuwait. But now they're our pals in Iraq.

"We've turned this country over to them in an act of total brilliance," says Baer. "Why didn't I think of this? You turn the Middle East over to terrorists."

Indeed we have. By the end of this week, these guys will largely control Iraq. The only hope is that they've changed their ways.

Not likely, says Baer.

"I used to meet with them in the '90s, and they'd never shed their beliefs," he told me. "But no one asked us."

By "us," Baer means the CIA.

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http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/mulshine/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1134279609280670.xml&coll=1
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:56 PM
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1. Not at all suprising,
When GOPigs needed help before the'94 mid-terms, AL Quaida was there. When Shrub's presidency was having a shaky start, Al Quaida was there, When their poodle Blair was under fire for the DSM, Al Quaida pulled through. It should not suprise us that a GOPig presidency would be aiding and abeting terrorists, since the Tammaney Hall Tali-borgs have been in cahoots with them for a long time.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 03:40 PM
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2. I think this is more of a case
Where democracy doesn't always get you what you want.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 03:48 PM
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3. Another case of the U.S. making a deal with the devil ...
... and totally ignoring the fact that the price for that is your soul.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 04:18 PM
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5. Yeah last devil we dealt with
Was a guy we trained, OBL.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 03:48 PM
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4. Baer, FWIW, is the guy whose memoir inspired "Syriana"
Edited on Sun Dec-11-05 03:58 PM by Monkey see Monkey Do
The Bush admin also gave financial support to SCIRI in the months before the invasion.

Also, a State Dept guy interviewed for the documentary "Iraq: The Reckoning" said that they are looking to negotiate peace with the Baathist insurgency in the hope that once back in power, they will clamp down on the Sunni fundamentalists.

Iraq is fucked.


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edit - re SCIRI

December 9, 2002
Presidential Determination No. 2003-06

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE
THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE

SUBJECT: Presidential Determination on Authorization to Furnish Drawdown Assistance to the Iraqi Opposition under the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998

Pursuant to the authority vested in me as President of the United States, including under sections 4(a)(2) and 5(a) of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) (the "Act"), and consistent with Presidential Determination 99-13, I hereby direct the furnishing of up to $92 million in defense articles from the Department of Defense, defense services from the Department of Defense, and military education and training in order to provide assistance to the following organizations:

Iraqi National Accord;
Iraqi National Congress;
Kurdistan Democratic Party;
Movement for Constitutional Monarchy;
Patriotic Union of Kurdistan;
Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq;

and to such other Iraqi opposition groups designated by me under the Act before or after this determination. The assistance will be allocated in accordance with plans being developed by the Department of Defense and the Department of State.

The Secretary of State is authorized and directed to report this determination to the Congress and to arrange for its publication in the Federal Register.

GEORGE W. BUSH

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/12/20021209-5.html
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 05:38 PM
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6. Fascinating. I just visited the web site for Syriana yesterday.
I looked through the entire site and read everything about it. This is one movie that I think will definitely be worth watching when it hits our podunk theatre, and most certainly on DVD. Art imitating life, indeed. It strikes very close to home.

http://syrianamovie.warnerbros.com/


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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 06:23 PM
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7. This could be best movie for us
Since F911
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 08:48 PM
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8. From your mouth to God's ear.
Right-wingers will think it's too incredible to be anything remotely close to the truth. :(
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 01:17 AM
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13. Sadly
and those of us who know will know it's not fake. And yes everything is connected and always goes back to the same person: Bush and thus Poppy.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 08:53 PM
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9. Isn't Bear also the guy who told....
about how the U.S. left Iraqis twisting in the wind by backing out of aiding in a coup attempt against Saddam?
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 09:35 PM
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10. Yes - he was the CIA man on the ground at the time
He expands on it a lot in the start of his book, but here's a very short Q&A:

Could you tell us a little bit about your experiences in Northern Iraq, working with the opposition to Saddam Hussein and the kinds of problems you had in gaining support here at home?

I was in Iraq when a coup was proposed in 1995. A general, a major general, came to me and said that he had an inside group that wanted to overthrow the government. Frankly, there was no interest in Washington. I don't know why, it is not my story why there was no interest. I met somebody recently from inside the White House who said it was completely compromised, but I realized at that point that he wasn't aware of the coup, only of the diversion of the coup. There was an uprising in 1995, which was going to be a Kurdish uprising, and the hope was that once everybody started moving troops in the north, that this military group, an armored unit, would be able to surround Saddam and force him to give up. Would it have worked? I don't know. Should it have been postponed and tried later? I don't know. What happened was, although I reported this in detail on paper, I never got an answer. For some reason, people were distracted at home. Nonetheless, at that point I was left on my own. I gave them a message, from the White House, on the fourth of March, which said, ?You are on your own.? I said, ?Read it literally,? to them. ?The President of the United States says you are on your own.?

And what was their reaction?

It took the wind out of their sails, but they had already committed, and the message arrived 36 hours before the coup was supposed to go down. They couldn't pull back. One Kurdish group attacked the Iraqi army and overtook three divisions. But by the ninth or tenth of March they were out of ammunition and had to retreat. I can't say if we could have gotten rid of Saddam Hussein or not, because we just never investigated. It was negligence.

(...)

http://www.fpa.org/topics_info2414/topics_info_show.htm?doc_id=100339

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Then there's Ahmed Chalabi's forgery & grandstanding (this is from a 2004 WP story, but I can't find the original link):

"Officials yesterday recounted an incident in early 1995 when Chalabi's name turned up in an encrypted Iranian cable reporting a purported CIA-backed plan to assassinate Saddam Hussein, then Iraq's president. The message was intercepted by U.S. intelligence and caused a major political stir in Washington.

The 1995 incident arose at a time when Chalabi was in northern Iraq, working with CIA backing against Hussein. The CIA case officer working with Chalabi at the time was Robert Baer.

Exactly who came up with the assassination idea is subject to some dispute. One U.S. official interviewed yesterday, who was familiar with the event, credited Baer with pushing the plan.
Baer has denied this. In his book "See No Evil: the True Story of a Ground Soldier in the CIA's War on Terrorism," published in 2001, he wrote that the plot to kill Hussein was phony, concocted by Chalabi
in hopes of enticing Iranian support for his Iraqi opposition efforts.

To prove to the Iranians he had Washington's support to go after Hussein, Chalabi forged a letter on U.S. National Security Council stationery that asked him to contact the Iranian government for help, Baer wrote. The letter said Washington had dispatched to northern Iraq an "NSC team" headed by Robert Pope, a fictitious name."

(...)

http://zfacts.com/p/152.html
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 01:07 AM
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11. Wow, thanks for the info, and the Chalabi connection. n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 01:20 AM
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14. This is why Bush got Chaliabi
and why Judy Miller used him too or they used her I guess. It all makes sense now.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 01:14 AM
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12. The CIA also "made" Hussein and BinLadin
So nothing surprises me. Maybe this is why Tenet recieved a medal from Bush. It's all about oil and whomever will control the oil for the rich cats. And why Blair joined too.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:23 AM
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15. I am betting bush
Will make his own OBL or Saddam.
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