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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:50 AM
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Poll question: Would you support John Murtha for the Democratic VP nomination in '08?
Yes he is up there in age, but if McCain can run, so could Murtha. He is fast becoming one of our strongest Iraqi war critics. He has strong defense credentials and served in the Korean War and Vietnam (winning two purple hearts, and a bronze star). He is a old style Democrat. I think he would add alot to almost any ticket we come up with--especially if McCain were the nominee:

Clark/Murtha
Feingold/Murtha
Edwards/Murtha
Warner/Murtha
Bayh/Murtha

The Northeasters running though may not want to put another northeasterner on the ticket? but who knows.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:52 AM
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1. Nope. He's old. And conservative. We can do better. n/t
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:13 PM
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13. NO. Murtha is a FLIP FLOPPER.
Just kidding.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:06 PM
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19. You know that's what they'd say, though...
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 01:06 PM by tasteblind
He voted for the war before he voted against it. (Edit: I know he didn't vote against it, I'm just kidding)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:53 AM
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2. no
so he did the right thing coming out against this war - let's not forget he was gung-ho for it to start
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:56 AM
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6. Think a minute.
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 11:57 AM by IMModerate
Would we have considered him before he spoke out against this war? I think not.

Better he stays where he is.

On edit: This should have been a reply to the OP. Sorry there Skittles.

--IMM
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:54 AM
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3. With a tacit agreement that he never run as President
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LoKnLoD Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:55 AM
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4. For some reason
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 11:56 AM by LoKnLoD
he reminds me of James Stockdale, Perot's running mate in 1992. You all remember that debate when the poor guy looked like a moran in front of the nation. For some reason when I look at Murtha that is the first thing that pops in my head. But I like Murtha, not sure of him as VP though, and he doesn't seem to be the type that even wants that office.



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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:55 AM
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5. Right now he appears to be the only Democrat with any balls
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:57 AM
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7. How about Gore/Murtha?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:58 AM
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8. One correct position doesn't change the fact that he is
very pro-military and by association pro-corporate.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:52 PM
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17. There is nothing wrong..,
with being pro-military, as long as the military is being used the way it is supposed to be: Protecting the american way of life.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:35 PM
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21. I understand what you're saying but pro military and pro troops
are different things IMO. Pro military would include things like voting in favor of boondoggles like the osprey (something like 30 years and 200 billion to build a plane that doesn't serve the purpose it was ostensibly designed for and still doesn't reliably fly), SDI, etc.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:59 AM
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9. He's not interested
Murtha's very happy - and very powerful - where he is.

He'd never go for this - I'd bet anything.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:02 PM
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10. yes if it did not involve that clinton freak
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:10 PM
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11. lol
Here you never know when you might need some of this :popcorn:
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:10 PM
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12. Yes
I would rather have someone that was a friend of the soldiers than someone who is a friend
of the corporations willing to send thousands off to die to improve their profit margin.
We are going to have to have someone with a backbone and who is knowledgeable about the
military to flush out the neocons & break the hold of the military industrial complex. They must be dealt with if we are ever to have normal government. We need public servants that do not cater to foreign interests, corporate profit or religious extremists (and I mention Robertson's death threats on Chavez here).
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:55 PM
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18. Bravo...
MissWaverly- our soldiers ARE a representation of us. If we think of them, and what they must sacrifice, we think of all of us. This is a country built on ideals, and, sometimes, you must fight for those ideals.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:08 PM
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20. Here's what Abe Lincoln said about pre-emptive war
Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so, whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after having given him so much as you propose. If to-day he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, -- I see no probability of the British invading us"; but he will say to you, "Be silent: I see it, if you don't."

The provision of the Constitution giving the war making power to Congress was dictated, as I understand it, by the following reasons: kings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object. This our convention understood to be the most oppressive of all kingly oppressions, and they resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man should hold the power of bringing this oppression upon us. But your view destroys the whole matter, and places our President where kings have always stood. Write soon again.

Yours truly,

A. LINCOLN

The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, ed. Roy P. Basler, vol. 1 (New Brunswick, NJ:

Rutgers University Press, 1953), pp. 451–52

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:14 PM
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14. He supports a Draft. I would have to say no.
PLUS, he's a hawk. He supported the illegal invasion of Iraq. I think Wes Clark is a much better choice.
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:15 PM
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15. NO! ... we want someone who car run after 8 years if we win.. plus,
I don't see what he brings to the ticket besides being a reasoned voice about bringing the troops home. He is a conservative dem... a lot of good Leiberman did on the ticket in '00? Plus, I don't want conservative dems to have any influence on the next dem administration... enough of them!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:19 PM
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16. I think we may be looking at a Clinton / Feingold ticket in '08?
Two heavyweights. Just saying...

Don
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