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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:44 PM
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Bush worst President ever?

From Yahoo. Rate this story up. Even the historians are starting to figure it out.


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IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER?

By Richard Reeves Fri Dec 2, 8:13 PM ET

PARIS -- President John F. Kennedy was considered a historian because of his book "Profiles in Courage," so he received periodic requests to rate the presidents, those lists that usually begin "1. Lincoln, 2. Washington ..."
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But after he actually became president himself, he stopped filling them out.

"No one knows what it's like in this office," he said after being in the job. "Even with poor James Buchanan, you can't understand what he did and why without sitting in his place, looking at the papers that passed on his desk, knowing the people he talked with."

Poor James Buchanan, the 15th president, is generally considered the worst president in history. Ironically, the Pennsylvania Democrat, elected in 1856, was one of the most qualified of the 43 men who have served in the highest office. A lawyer, a self-made man, Buchanan served with some distinction in the House, served as chairman of the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee and secretary of state under President James K. Polk. He had a great deal to do with the United States becoming a continental nation -- "Manifest Destiny," war with Mexico, and all that. He was also ambassador to Great Britain and was offered a seat on the Supreme Court three separate times.


But he was a confused, indecisive president, who may have made the Civil War inevitable by trying to appease or negotiate with the South. His most recent biographer, Jean Clark, writing for the prestigious American Presidents Series, concluded this year that his actions probably constituted treason. It also did not help that his administration was as corrupt as any in history, and he was widely believed to be homosexual.

Whatever his sexual preferences, his real failures were in refusing to move after South Carolina announced secession from the Union and attacked Fort Sumter, and in supporting both the legality of the pro-slavery constitution of Kansas and the Supreme Court ruling in the Dred Scott class declaring that escaped slaves were not people but property.

He was the guy who in 1861 passed on the mess to the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln. Buchanan set the standard, a tough record to beat. But there are serious people who believe that George W. Bush will prove to do that, be worse than Buchanan. I have talked with three significant historians in the past few months who would not say it in public, but who are saying privately that Bush will be remembered as the worst of the presidents.

There are some numbers. The History News Network at George Mason University has just polled historians informally on the Bush record. Four hundred and fifteen, about a third of those contacted, answered -- maybe they were all crazed liberals -- making the project as unofficial as it was interesting. These were the results: 338 said they believed Bush was failing, while 77 said he was succeeding. Fifty said they thought he was the worst president ever. Worse than Buchanan.

This is what those historians said -- and it should be noted that some of the criticism about deficit spending and misuse of the military came from self-identified conservatives -- about the Bush record:

# He has taken the country into an unwinnable war and alienated friend and foe alike in the process;

# He is bankrupting the country with a combination of aggressive military spending and reduced taxation of the rich;

# He has deliberately and dangerously attacked separation of church and state;

# He has repeatedly "misled," to use a kind word, the American people on affairs domestic and foreign;

# He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and foreign (
Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida);

# He has sacrificed American employment (including the toleration of pension and benefit elimination) to increase overall productivity;

# He is ignorantly hostile to science and technological progress;

# He has tolerated or ignored one of the republic's oldest problems, corporate cheating in supplying the military in wartime.

Quite an indictment. It is, of course, too early to evaluate a president. That, historically, takes decades, and views change over times as results and impact become more obvious. Besides, many of the historians note that however bad Bush seems, they have indeed since worse men around the White House. Some say Buchanan. Many say Vice President
Dick Cheney.

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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:47 PM
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1. He has got my vote.
#1......worst ever.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:49 PM
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2. YES, Bush is the Worst President Ever
in my lifetime and I lived through NIXON, Nam, "Culture Revolution", etc.

I feel for the younger generation (including my own children) who will have to pick up the pieces of this mess. Hopefully, you can turn things around and make America great again.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:51 PM
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3. Is the Pope a Catholic? n/t
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:52 PM
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4. I think we have a 'winner'
:cry:

2008...2008...2008...

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:18 PM
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5. No doubt, at least in the modern era...
Shrub is Ancient Rome-bad, like Commodus or Nero.
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:30 PM
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6. "... [Buchanan's] real failures were ...
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 05:35 PM by mahatmakanejeeves
in refusing to move after South Carolina announced secession from the Union and attacked Fort Sumter...."

Yeah, but, Lincoln's first inauguration was on Monday, March 4, 1861, and the attack on Fort Sumter began on April 12 of that year. So what was ex-President Buchanan supposed to do?

OTOH, South Carolina seceded on December 20, 1860.
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Einstein99 Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:37 PM
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8. I always thought the attack on Fort Sumter occurred
after Lincoln became president, but I think I heard on the recent History Channel series on The Presidents that it occurred while Buchanan was still president. Obviously, someone is confused. Could it be that there were actually two separate incidents at Fort Sumter, the actual attack after Lincoln was sworn in and a prior incident while Buchanan was still president? I dunno, just askin'.
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:56 PM
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12. My Thought: Definitely on Lincoln's Watch
as our beloved Pretzledent likes to say.

Battle of Fort Sumter

Timeline: November 1860; Lincoln elected. December 20, 1860; SC secedes. March 4, 1861; Lincoln inaugurated. April 12, 1861; Fort Sumter attacked.

I can see the History Channel's argument, though, as Wikipedia says:

Six days after South Carolina seceded, U.S. Army Major Robert Anderson abandoned the indefensible Fort Moultrie and secretly relocated his 85 men, two companies of the 1st U.S. Artillery, to Fort Sumter, which dominated the entrance to Charleston Harbor. Confederate authorities considered this a breach of faith and demanded that the fort be evacuated. President James Buchanan (still in office, pending Lincoln's inauguration) refused their demand and mounted a relief expedition in January, 1861, but shore batteries fired on and repulsed the unarmed merchant ship, Star of the West.
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Einstein99 Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:58 PM
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13. Thanks for the clarification
:)
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:00 PM
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16. April 14, 1861
Halliburton awarded no-bid contract to supply rotten meat to the U. S. Army.
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Einstein99 Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:23 PM
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19. Brilliant!
LOL. :rofl:
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Einstein99 Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:33 PM
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7. I completely agree with this assessment
and for all the stated reasons. Many of the points are well known and often stated, but I was particularly glad to see one item that is often overlooked: Bush's hostility toward science and technology. This attitude goes hand in hand with his religious fanaticism. As we all know, nations, like tides, rise and ebb. No empire lasts forever. History may be recognized as the president who most seriously promulgated the demise of the American empire.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:50 PM
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9. Because the consequences were so much more significant in 1860..
I would still rate Buchanan as the worst. Bush is definitely one of the next worst, competing with Harding and Nixon in my book..

Grant is usually considered one of the worst although there has been some re-evaluation of his tenure recently which puts it in a more positive light...and Grant himself was an honorable man.

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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:55 PM
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11. We don't know that the consequences are not more significant today...
do we? Not really. We don't really know what the consequences of Bush's presidency will be in the next very few years. It truly could be more devastating than those in 1860, and I wouldn't be at all surprised.

What may happen in the world as a result of the Bush administration's destructive policies could make the American Civl War look like a Sunday picnic.

I believe history WILL prove out Bush to be the worst president EVER!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:59 PM
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14. That could happen...
But it hasn't yet. Considering the Civil War resulted in the death of over 600,000 American soldiers, an unknown number of civilians, and the physical and economic devastation of nearly half the country, right now I would still have to say that the consequences of bozo's actions do not reach that level.

We end up geting hit by a nuke, or some devastating event, that could change...but that is unpredictable right now.

Please, please do not read this as a defense of shrub, it most certainly is not. Saying that he may not be as bad as Buchanan is not an endorsement of him.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:01 PM
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17. I actually hope you are wrong...
Because that would mean untold suffereing that we have not seen yet. Let's hope Buchanan remains the worst.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:13 PM
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18. Well, I hope I am wrong too...
but the prospects do not look very good IMHO. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but this lunatic religious psychopath has this country (and the world, for that matter) teetering on the very verge of catastrophe and doesn't even care.

I feared when he went into Iraq illegally that the stage was set then for some dramatically serious world events to come. This man could, at any moment, trigger WWIII with a mere wave of the hand.

Yes, I hope I'm wrong, and I wish I could be more optimistic, but this cabal is genuinely scary as hell.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:51 PM
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10. It's not even a question
It's a fact
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prescole Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:59 PM
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15. Worst. President. Ever. The question remains, who hates him more...
liberals or conservatives?
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:50 PM
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20. I've never liked this meme because it implies he is trying to do the right
thing, but he's a fuck-up. I disagree. Bush has been fairly successful in his goal of subverting the federal government and rolling back the 20th century--he's driven it into enormous debt, rendered many of its departments dysfunctional (FEMA, EPA, etc.), stuffed many courts with wingnuts, taken a chunk out of the Constitution, made the corporate media even more subservient, and prepped the country for its complete militarization for neverending resource wars.

Bush should not be lumped in with past presidential fuck-ups. He's a whole other animal. He's a traitor.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:00 PM
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21. In so many ways...
I wonder how many differnt "types" of incompetence we can come up with for him.

Dumbest
Most Corrupt
Most out of touch
Must unelected...
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