Which of these Conspiracy Theories is Most Important to You

[berni_mccoy]

Poll question: Which of these Conspiracy Theories is Most Important to You

(ordered by time)

Note, I've just started subscribing to one of these CT's and I've believed another one for a while... No insult is intended to subscribers of ANY THEORY... I just wanted to see which ones were most important to everyone...

And note: I realize there is a high probability that the 2004 election was stolen...but, it *would* require a conspiracy, and it is a theory, not an accepted concept by the majority of the population. I believe the election was probably stolen, I believe there was voter fraud and voter tampering (long lines, misinformation campaigns, statistically impossible results, etc) and I believe the GAO reports could turn this CT into a fact... but it's still currently a CT.

[TahitiNut]

1. #3 = #4

Just sayin'. :shrug:

[berni_mccoy]

2. I don't agree...

One could be LIHOP and the other IS MIHOP.

[Stephanie]

3. The term "conspiracy theory" is offensive, and -

putting Roswell on the same list as the stolen election is also offensive - it's just what the GOP wants you to do - lump everything together so it's all equivalent and call it conspiracy theory and write it all off

[O.M.B.inOhio]

6. The legitimacy of the GWB presidency. That's a whacked-out theory!

I think the original poster anticipated the offense and offered diplomatic disclaimers.

[Greyhound]

10. Not just th repukes, there are plenty of them with D's after their names.

"The greatest trick the Devil ever played, was convincing us he doesn't exist" - Verbal Kint

[Beam Me Up]

14. The term "conspiracy theory" need NOT be offensive, although it is

used in the media by talking heads as a means of discounting: "no need to look at this, folks, it is a silly 'conspiracy theory.'

However, we needn't let them get away with that. For example, that 9/11 was a conspiracy IS A FACT that can not be denied. The question is, which THEORY about that conspiracy most accurately accounts for the facts of the case? Since the events in question are complex and have NOT been investigated openly, there are many, competing theories currently in operation. The 'mainstream' or 'official' theory is a conspiracy theory which has not been backed up with much, if any, corroborative evidence. That ALSO is a fact.

[berni_mccoy]

16. No offense intended... but what should I call them?

They all involve conspiracy and they are all theories. If I had a better term, I would have used it.

And you try telling anyone here that 9/11 inside job is NOT A CT.

[Junkdrawer]

21. Conspiracy Theory means much more than a theory of a conspiracy...

The phrase "Conspiracy Theory" entered the language after the Kennedy Assassination as a shorthand way of dismissing any theory of wrongdoing that would require so many conspirators that credulity is stretched.

Calling something a Conspiracy Theory and then retreating, when pressed, to "it's a theory that requires more than one actor" is, IMHO, sophistry.

Try "theory of a RW plot"...

[berni_mccoy]

25. From the American Heritage Dictionary:

conspiracy theory
n.
A theory seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act.

I agree repubs have tried to create a NEGATIVE LABEL out of it, but that's what the word REALLY MEANS.

If you stop using EVERY LABEL the RWers have tainted then you're going to have a very limited vocabulary, starting with the word Liberal.

[Junkdrawer]

29. I'm waiting for the MSM to roll their eyes and mutter "Conspiracy Theory"

every time someone says 19 Saudis committed 9/11.

[Stephanie]

27. This is the problem with lumping them all together under one label.

As I said.

[seemslikeadream]

4. hands down

9/11

MIHOP

[Beam Me Up]

15. I agree. 9/11 is the mother of all "War on Terror" (tm) lies. Moreover:

Not to disparage the significance of the stolen elections of 2000, 2002 and 2004. I agree, had 2000 not been stolen, 9/11 would not have occurred. But there is a difference: 9/11 is an event of mythical proportions. As, indeed, it was intended to be. It is a turning point in human history that will echo down through time for hundreds if not thousands of years to come. The question is, are we going to rip the scab off of this crime against the American people--and the world--or are we going to go forward into a future based upon a manipulative lie? This is a very important question upon which the fate not only of this country but the future of all humanity depends. That is why THIS particular conspiracy is so important to me.

Someoone else posted that 9/11 is the neo-con Achilles Heel and that may be true. Thing is, it goes MUCH deeper than that. This is the Achilles Heel of the whole war-profiteering national security state apparatus. They did it.

[left is right]

5. The 2000 stolen election

not the 2004, from the conspiracy surrounding this first stolen election flows the basis for everything that followed it. There would have been no 911, let alone the CT of 911; there also wouldn't have been the stolen election of 2002, or the conspiracy that ousted Governor Davis and installing the gropenator, the War on Terror or the one on the Iraqis and no stolen election of 2004. Terry Schiavo would have been allowed to die a quiet death with dignity, Valerie Plame would not have been outed and we wouldn't be facing a vote on Alito. The poison tree was 2000.

[feelthebreeze]

8. The 2004 election was stolen and it is no conspiracy GaO even supports the

action of the fraud that occured:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2289992

[For PaisAn]

12. Absolutely

The 2000 stolen election was the beginning of the end. Because of 2000 election we got 9/11, 2002 & 2004 stolen elections, Plame outing, Davis recall, Texas redistricting, and the list goes on and on.

[berni_mccoy]

20. No Theory there... IT DID Happen, and it's widely accepted fact.

The S.C. decided the election, NOT the people.

[Junkdrawer]

7. As for the Stolen Election being a "Conspiracy Theory"...

Depends on your definition of "Conspiracy Theory". If by "Conspiracy Theory" you mean more than one person would have to be involved then, fair enough - it's a conspiracy.

If by "Conspiracy Theory" you mean the usual "so many people would have to be involved that it's ridiculous to even entertain the thought", then I'd say you're thinking of ballot box stuffing with paper ballots - that would require such a wide spread conspiracy as to be ridiculous.

But with electronic voting of any stripe, a few Sec. of States in a few key states and some insider help from a few key people of the vendors and your on your way - that's what the likes of David Dill are so worried about.

[berni_mccoy]

18. As I mentioned in the post, it's the first one of your definitions

A conspiracy requires multiple parties... and to steal the 2004 election, multiple parties would have been required.

Because of eVoting... that number would be dramatically less, but it would require both gov't officials *and* the makers of the eVoting machines.

[Junkdrawer]

22. Two words:

Kenneth Blackwell

[berni_mccoy]

23. Some individuals were certainly more important than others...

But he didn't build the machines or write the software and he certainly wasn't acting alone.

It's a conspiracy.

[Junkdrawer]

24. See post #21 n/t

[berni_mccoy]

28. See post #25 n/t

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. Gotta go with 9-11-01 LIHOP

Because I believe we are way beyond "theories" when it comes to 2000-2002-2004 election fraud.

[Greyhound]

11. Voted 2K4, but I think the 2K election was bigger. We had, and

passed up, the chance to expose the bastards then. By 2K4 most of the damage was done and the election rigging had already been accepted.

[berni_mccoy]

19. Everyone agrees the 2000 election was stolen

Handed over by the S.C. No theory there. But yes, I agree, that EVENT had the biggest impact on where we are today.

[A Simple Game]

13. I think the JFK assassination started it all.

If they had not gotten away with it, none of the others (minus Roswell), and a whole lot more, would have happened.

[BuyingThyme]

26. Yep.

It's the key to understanding the others.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. Very tough

But right now it's 2004. *sigh* I'm tired of them stealing!

[Rhiannon12866]

30. 9/11, I think. More people died. n/t

[rman]

31. difficult choice between 9-11 inside job and election fraud.

i suppose elections are more basic then false-flag ops.

[Neil Lisst]

32. The stolen election in 2004 trumps all others for me.

I'm tired of the approach that some in media and politics have, that talking about it is akin to claiming you went on a ride with little green men.

It's not crazy. It's based upon sound data, analyzed by people with serious numbers credentials. The fact is the systems used were designed to allow someone from outside to breach security easily and get in from the outside. That could not have been an accident. It was intended.

They stole it.

[northzax]

33. what, no faked moon landing?

no conspiracy list can possibly be complete without a visit to Sudbury.