I think Biden's approach is fine. "How bout a plan, Stan!"

[mtnsnake]

in his interview just now with Soledad on CNN.

He almost made me turn the channel when he started out by saying Bush did a couple good things in his speech, but then I realized he was just using that as a set-up, a sort of tempering, to ultimately blister Bush, but not have it simply come off as another total whitewash by a Democrat.

Soledad asked him if he liked anything the president had to say and Biden said, yeah, a couple things like the president admitted things hadn't gone too well and it would take more time. He said Bush told the truth on those two things. What Biden was doing was showing that he was being impartial and fair, by starting out with a couple token compliments. But then...

he followed up by saying that although the president told a couple truths, he still didn't have a plan...and Biden got specific. He said that while the president kept mentioning how it would take time to train Iraqi brigades, he did not come up with a single method of HOW he was going to train them. He didn't come up with any plan of exactly HOW he was going to change anything. Biden said that all the president did was talk about the goals but didn't mention a darn thing on exactly what he was going to do to accomplish those goals.

Biden even said, "Mr President, how bout a plan, Stan!"

Yeah, I like Biden's approach on this. No one could say that he was just a Democrat totally slamming anything the imbecile in chief does. Importantly, he first got the ears of the OTHER side by giving a couple minor compliments to the president's speech, lending to his own (Biden's) fairness, but THEN he followed up in length by using specific examples of how the president STILL had no frigging plan. He used the example in Afghanistan of how we talked to the Iranians, etc there to accomplish things, but in Iraq the president refused to do the same thing. He mentioned how the president in Iraq was refusing to accept other countries' offers to help out in Iraq. Basically, Biden proved with specific examples the president's total incompetence on his handling of Iraq.

How bout a plan, Stan!

[Boo Boo]

1. Just slip out the back, Jack...

There must be fifty ways to leave Iraq.

[acmejack]

2. I think it sounds ridiculous

and it certainly will be ridiculed as soon as the talking heads get their shot at it. I believe cute little phrases like this distract from the deadly seriousness of this debate.

Do you think I am being hypercritical just because I dislike Senator MBNA?

[LynneSin]

5. Or it could do the opposite

It could become the rallying cry. I think we would all like a plan - it's catchy, it's memorable and considering that Biden is running for president I suppose it's of use for his campaign.

I'm feeling a bit better than more of the democrats are starting to come around with insisting we need a plan to get ourselves out of Iraq. It varies - some, like Biden & Clinton, want a plan of some sort that will get our troops out in a year. Others, like Murtha, insist we do it right now.

But all of this shows just how important it is we get a democratic majority because when warhawks like Biden, Clinton & Murtha start screaming about finding an exit plan (whether for today or within the next year getting out) they are definately the overwhelming voice over the likes of Joe Lieberman, who clings to the concept of "Staying to Course"

Anyhow, wasn't it cute phrases that got us into the war. We all aren't posters on liberal websites. Some of us are dumb enough to believe what's on the news and those cute catchphrases make the news!

[mtnsnake]

6. It came off nicely because it was said in proper context

He didn't use that phrase as his theme or anything. His words were well thought out and he built himself up to a crescendo, while never getting loud. Biden came off as knowing what he was talking about, as compared to the president who comes off as knowing nothing.

[seabeyond]

3. a lot of people diss biden immediately, as they do with others

they dont like. i have most always liked what i have heard from biden on tis stuff. he doesnt attack bush adn repugs like some on this board want him too, so he is "one of them"

thank you for your early morning interpretation of what biden said

[tx_dem41]

4. I wish the Democrats as a party would either adopt Murtha's plan

as their own or present a different one. Well-thought out plans are what people look for in leaders.

[MrBenchley]

7. Good for Joe!

All in all, I was pleased with the Democrats' response to Chimpy's new-old speech....

Everybody see this?

http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2005/11/groundhog-day-someone-take-wheel.html