A beautifully eloquent post by H2O Man...

[Sapphire Blue]

Since it's not possible to 'recommend' a reply post in a thread, please consider this my attempt to 'Recommend Post for Greatest Page'; please take the time to read it...


"The future depends on what we do today." -Gandhi: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5482561&mesg_id=5489563

[silverlib]

1. Thanks.

I've been offline for a while and missed the original thread.

And I nominated.

H20 Man is great as usual.

[AuntiBush]

2. I'll Second that Any Day for "the" H20 Man!

Clicking away on that link. Thanks!

[Sapphire Blue]

3. Thank you! And the 4 others...

... who 'Recommended H2O Man's Post for Greatest Page'!!!

:grouphug:

[Sapphire Blue]

4. And the additional recommendations!!!

:grouphug:

[nofurylike]

5. bow. gratitude. veneration. H2o Man. Sapphire Blue...

k+nom

[countmyvote4real]

6. Peace and thank you.

Please call, email, and FAX Gov. Schwarzenegger:

Phone: [phone]
Email: [email protected]
FAX: [phone]
snail mail address:
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814

[Sapphire Blue]

7. ...

:hug:

[Wilms]

8. Forgiveness is habit forming. n/t

;)

[GliderGuider]

9. Mr. H20Man

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

My partner and I, although we have little influence as outsiders, have signed the online petition.

[Sapphire Blue]

12. If you can, please call / FAX / email Gov. Schwarzenegger:

Phone: [phone]

FAX: [phone]

Email: [email protected]

[lildreamer316]

10. A Major K&R.

Some things have happened to me in my life and some people don't understand how I could not be bitter and angry about them. Well, because why do I want to stay in that frame of mind? I deserve better. SO do they.
Peace.

[Wind Dancer]

11. Thanks for your inspirational post.

Your words of wisdom are greatly appreciated.

[Sapphire Blue]

13. kick for H2O Man!

:kick:

[Usrename]

14. Overcoming hate is a daily challenge in todays climate.

Thank you for the inspirational post. Well done.

[KoKo]

34. St. Thomas AquinasQuote: In Not Forgiving we Can Become what we Hate..

Quote from H20 Man's post:

Merton continues with an examination of St. Thomas 's views on evil. He viewed evil as real, and recognized that it was necessary to confront it. But he knew it could be overcome, even healed, and built upon. Aquinas noted that there were characteristics common to those who could not forgive, which make them remarkably similar to the sinners they hate. In "Summa Theologica," he notes "the mood of Nemesis" that "rejoices in the belief that others justly suffer and grieves when good comes to the unworthy." That sounds strangely similar to some of the ugly things one DUer has recently posted on this thread.

[nofurylike]

15. yes, "beautifully eloquent..." ! kick

[nofurylike]

16. people need a chance to read this. eom

[nofurylike]

17. how very much we need this, now more than ever. thank you, SB! eom

[Paradise]

18. thanks to you, i've read it... n/t

[Me.]

19. K & R

[RazzleDazzle]

20. well, it got me to call the Gov's ofc

I hope it works. And I commend you for pulling this out for everyone, and I commend nofurylike for the efforts each day. I hope it works.

I told the young man who took the call that we have to hold ourselves out as a humane society, and that means, for one, not executing people who've rehabilitated themselves.

[Sapphire Blue]

23. Thank you for calling!!! Together we can make a difference!

We can make this a better world. :hug:

[H2O Man]

21. Robert F. Kennedy in April '68:

"In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it is perhaps well to ask what kind of nation we are and what direction we want to move in. .... you can be filled with bitterness, with hatred, and with a desire for revenge. We can move in that direction as a country, in great polarization.....

"Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and to replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand with compassion and love. ....

"What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country ...."

-- from the speech RFK delivered upon hearing that MLK had been murdered.

[H2O Man]

22. RFK on 4-5-68

"Whenever any American's life is taken by another American unnecessarily -- whether it is done in the name of the law or in the defiance of the law, by one man or a gang, in cold blood or in passion, in an attack of violence or in response to violence -- whenever we tear at the fabric of the life which another man has painfully and clumsily woven for himself and his children, the whole nation is degraded."

-- from the speech RFK gave the day after MLK was killed.

[Sapphire Blue]

24. "replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our

... our land, with an effort to understand with compassion and love..."

Can we do this? Yes, I firmly believe we can.

[Sapphire Blue]

25. **** Related threads...

12/1 *** URGENT*** 12 Days to STOP the EXECUTION!! PLEASE ACT!!: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5493020


DEBATE: Should Stan Tookie Williams receive clemency?:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5493162

[Sapphire Blue]

27. kick for today's threads

[Sapphire Blue]

26. kick... please read H2O Man's post!

[CrackpotAmerica]

28. I love that guy!

Kudos H20!

[understandinglife]

29. Thank you!

Peace.

[Sapphire Blue]

30. kick!

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[Sapphire Blue]

31. another one...

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[MissMarple]

32. Most thoughtful reasons against the death penalty I've read.

I've always been ambivalent about it. But, now it seems barbaric and wastefully vengeful. Lately I've thought that we can't always be certain that a person is actually guilty, that with our imperfect system of justice we should err of the side of mercy.

I can imagine conditions where execution may be the better choice, but it should be done with regret to protect others and not as revenge, punishment, or that quite lame rationale ...deterrence.

[KoKo]

33. Excellent Post....Recommend! Good thoughts to keep in mind given the

current holiday.




In his 1964 book "Gandhi on Non-Violence," Thomas Merton writes, "It is no accident that Hitler believed firmly in the unforgivableness of sin.This is indeed fundamental to the whole mentality of Nazism, and its avidity for final solutions and its concern that all uncertainties be eliminated. Hitler's world was built on the central dogma of the irreversibility of evil ...." (page 12)

Merton continues with an examination of St. Thomas Aquinas's views on evil. He viewed evil as real, and recognized that it was necessary to confront it. But he knew it could be overcome, even healed, and built upon. Aquinas noted that there were characteristics common to those who could not forgive, which make them remarkably similar to the sinners they hate. In "Summa Theologica," he notes "the mood of Nemesis" that "rejoices in the belief that others justly suffer and grieves when good comes to the unworthy."

[bonito]

35. Kick ,For the best post ever, thanks!

Gona sleep tonight. Peace

[Sapphire Blue]

37. Those are my sentiments also!

[KT2000]

36. Kick

thanks Sapphire Blue for reposting this - it is great.

[Sapphire Blue]

38. And my deepest thanks to H2O Man for posting it!!!

[mike_c]

39. kick-- californians especially, please read H2O man's post....

:kick:

[Sapphire Blue]

40. Another kick for the beauty of this post

[Sapphire Blue]

41. kick

[bonito]

42. A must read for all that matters. n/t

[CatWoman]

43. H20 Man makes many beautifully eloquent posts

except when he's picking on me *pout*

[Sapphire Blue]

44. Yes, he does, and this one is exceptionally eloquent, IMO!

[lucca]

45. H20 Man: Beautiful......just beautiful!

And, to Sapphire Blue: Thank you for your passion.

(I have e-mailed, and will call)

[Sapphire Blue]

46. Thank you for emailing!

:hug:

[bleever]

47. Nominated.

Thanks H2O Man, and thanks Sapphire Blue.

[Disturbed]

48. Bruderhof Forgiveness Guide - Learning to Forgive

Bruderhof Forgiveness Guide - Learning to Forgive

http://www.forgivenessguide.org/

[Sapphire Blue]

49. Thanks for posting this!

I took a quick look... will read more!

[Sapphire Blue]

50. Thank you to all who nominated H2O Mans beautifully eloquent post!!!

:grouphug:

[Sapphire Blue]

51. Another kick!

[bonito]

52. Just thanks again! n/t

[G_j]

53. too late

to nominate, but thank you for bringing this wonderful post to our attention.
H2O Man believes in our 'better angels' and our 'good minds'.
As long as there are people like him I have hope, which is not easy in this day and age! :-)

[Sapphire Blue]

54. Too late

... to nominate, but not too late to express appreciation to H2O Man! He gives me hope, too!