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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 04:39 PM
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A personal beef: Countrywide homeloan ads
Just how do they manage to kick up the volume for their ads, leaving the regular program so quiet?
There are too many ads, to begin with. They irrritate the living daylights out of me. And, they are run by a company that has had several SEC and other investigations about how they discriminate and target the poor. In a word, Countrywide is evil. If I had endless sources of money, I'd buy a shot gun and shoot the idiot box when their ads come on.

Other than "Bob" penis enlargement ads, what other ads piss you off like that?
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 04:41 PM
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1. Unsightly Belly fat
now there is another company using parts of that ad too!!

Also that guy who screams about the oxyclean.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 04:47 PM
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2. I liked the one ad
everyone else hated where the older guy was going to buy some black underpants for his wife (who had a knowing smile) because the viagra or whatever was giving him some funny blue horns on his head.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 04:57 PM
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4. Actually, it's the same company.
They created a wholly owned subsidiary with a different name and turned it into their "generic" wing. Rather than paying $150 a bottle for their useless herbs, the generic subsidiary will sell them to you for $75. Oooh, what a deal :puke:
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:07 PM
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8. Seriously??
They need to be outed for that. :grr:
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:36 PM
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15. Both subsidiaries of Klein-Becker.
AG Waterhouse is the company that sells Leptoprin, and Waterhouse is nothing more than a front company for Klein-Becker. They have a dozen other front companies that sell other useless herbals as well. The new company, Generix Labs, is simply another front company. It's the exact same pills in a different bottle and a lower price tag.

For what it's worth, the FTC has been going after these guys for some time now. The problem is that these front companies aren't actually wholly owned, and they spawn new ones just as fast as the FTC shuts the old ones down. Generix was actually formed when the FTC forced Waterhouse to stop making false claims. You'll notice that the Generix ads don't actually promise the same weight loss, they just remind you of the now-banned Leptoprin claims and intimate that they offer the same thing (which they really do...they both offer to lighten your wallet for nothing in return). You may also see it offered under a third name, Anorexa...it's yet another front company selling the exact same pill for Klein-Becker.

Since Klein-Becker isn't actually selling anything themselves (officially, they simply provide the capital), the FTC can't move against them. Since they aren't actually breaking any laws, neither can the DOJ or anyone else.

Not only is it a scam, it's a very good scam that is making the scammers a ton of money.
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lady raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 04:48 PM
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3. Yes, they ARE evil
Edited on Tue Nov-29-05 04:51 PM by HereKittyKitty
My father in law was murdered in January. He had an outstanding balance on his mortgage. My husband AND our attorney have repeatedly tried to contact them to work out a deal whereby the mortgage would be transferred to the home's future (pending) owner. They will not answer letters, emails, OR phone messages.

Instead, Countrywide have seen fit to ignore all attempts at contact and file a lawsuit against my father in law's family members, none of whom had any responsibility for the mortgage. (They are suing his three grown children, who all never lived with him as adults or cosigned on anything)

Of COURSE they won't win- Our lawyer is actually LAUGHING about this- but it's still a hassle in the meantime.

Nice.
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Poet Lariat Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 04:58 PM
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5. The Countrywide ad sends me diving for the remote
along with John Baisdows (<--sp?) "fitness made easy" add and of course who can forget the perennial favorites...the Capitol One ads with David Spade. I'm not sure why I dislike them so much but I do. This ad has the opposite effect on me from what was intended. Every time I hear it, all I can remember is that these are the people who say "No" to everything.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:00 PM
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6. Prescription drug ads!!!!
Why the hell are they advertising these things to the public, if the public isn't allowed to buy them w/o a doctor? What's the doctor for, a rubber stamp???? It's the doctors' business to know which prescriptions we should receive! (Yes, of course I intend that we should still get the info sheets on the side effects, etc., if/when such drugs are prescribed to us.)

Every advertised prescription drug is portrayed as a "must have". It's sick. It's bullshit. And it needs to stop. John Edwards said as much, and even if I hadn't already been supporting him, I'd have voted for him just b/c of that ONE comment of his!
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:22 PM
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11. Exactly, prescription drug advertisement should be outlawed by
.
Exactly, prescription drug advertisement should be outlawed by our federal congress. There's enough indicia to indicate that today's M.D.s are pressed into prescribing drugs merely to shut-up patients! Congress can do this u/ the constitution. There's no legal nor societal nor medical rationale for NOT promulgating a federal law to restrict such advertisements.

However, there's the pharmaceutical lobby, the congressional ppl sent to this or that place on the pharmaceutical dole, the M.D.s who are given free medical instruments and books while in med school, the M.D.s who are sent to this or that place for a "medical conference" about pharmaceutical medications, the M.D.s who rely upon the pharmaceutical representatives for gifts, information, blah, blah, blah . . .

So do you think the federal congress will offer a bill on this? Do you think a president on the dole will sign such a bill into law? If you've got the time and have the curiosity, google Howard Dean, M.D., on this subject . . . see what Dean says about it too.

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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:30 PM
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14. Thanks for the info!
We did without TV prescription drug ads for most of my lifetime, and we can do without them again.

Are you aware that in certain states, lawyers who advertise are targetted by their state bar association, and are harassed? It's true. I don't really care whether lawyers are allowed to advertise or not, but it seems to me that if many lawyers are penalized for advertising, then we shouldn't give a pass to pharmaceutical companies which advertise potentially dangerous drugs. Plus there's the obvious hypocrisy shown in the frequent remarks by republicans about how advertising lawyers are "cheap shysters", and then they turn around and approve of their friends/financers, the pharma companies, putting on ads that, for cheapness, make even lowbrow lawyer ads look classy by comparison.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:42 PM
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16. Well, I am a lawyer . . . and as part of our legal code of
professional (ethical) conduct we cannot solicit clients, i.e., we cannot ask a person if they need legal help/services. Instead, the client must ask us for legal help. The rationale for this is that since we, lawyers, are formally educated in law and practice in law, we could badger people into seeking legal services. So restrictions are put into place to prohibit such behavior (and protect the general public). However, there are narrow circumstances that lawyers may "solicit" (ask) the general public through advertisements. There are strict rules about how lawyers may advertise, however. And, of course, those rules vary state-to-state.

Pharmaceutical advertisement to the general public is another matter entirely. Pharmaceutical companies know that -- as does the law -- the general public cannot buy their drugs without an M.D.s go-between due to the medical and legal rationale that the general public may injure itself from their ignorance of drugs. So it would be very easy in law to get congress to pass a bill and for a president to sign a bill into law to prohibit such pharmaceutical company ads directly to the general public.

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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 06:09 PM
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17. Right--lawyer advertising must be pre-approved by the bar in this
state. But, above and beyond that, a pattern has been noticed in which the bar commissioners bring more complaints against lawyers who advertise, than they do against other lawyers.

As for the pharmaceutical ads, I think it used to be against the law for them to advertise prescription drugs to the public. I don't know when the law changed (a good guess is, some time during the republican reign as the sole political power in Washington.) I did, however, begin to notice that all of a sudden, ads for prescriptions were all over the TeeVee. Ad nauseam! One stroke of a pen could rid us of this constant bombardment of harmful ads.

Here is our government paying out our money to "teach kids the dangers of misusing drugs" or the dangers of "drug dependence". Then, here is our same government allowing ads which clearly portray the drug-du-jour as the perfect answer to everyone's problems. The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 06:43 PM
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19. Right? Ummmm, no, lawyer ads do NOT have to be . . .
"pre-approved by the bar" (your words) . . . instead, lawyers who advertise must comply with state law and with state lawyer ethical code.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 03:50 AM
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20. They do in this state.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 06:12 PM
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18. Ads used to be illegal until the repukes took over
they were illegal for a reason.

Doctors should prescribe drugs based on what they diagnos. They shouldn't be sold to the public
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 03:52 AM
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21. Yeah--how "conservative" is THAT??
Since when is it "conservative" to encourage people to rely on magical (and expensive) pills even for minor ailments?

I thought "conservatism" was grounded in self-reliance? I thought continual dependence on "substances" was for the weak, the hippie, the morally-challenged "liberal"?

Gosh, "conservatism" sure isn't what it's cracked up to be.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:03 AM
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22. Indeed. The Rethugs are always whining about the "costs of healthcare"
and bemoaning how much the government dishes out to the needy via Medical Assistance programs (and how much it will dish out once Medicare begins providing drug beneifits). If people weren't lured into demanding more and more drugs via rampant advertising just think how much lower health care costs would be!
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:02 PM
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7. How the networks responded to an FCC complaint
about raising volume for commercials many years ago:

"It's not loud, it only sounds loud."

Kind of like:
"It's not salty, it only tastes salty."

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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:13 PM
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9. over and over and over and over again . . . the same TV ad . . . geezuz
.
(music) da-da-dum, da-da-dum . . . guy depicted trying to select an automobile . . . (music) da-da-dum, da, da, dum . . . depicted w/ narration re online search index for automobiles logo and url . . . da, da, dum . . . etc., ad nauseum

I CANNOT REACH FOR THE REMOTE CONTROL FAST ENOUGH !!

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CurtEastPoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:21 PM
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10. Any car ad that shows some asshole spinning, speeding, screeching, etc.
What a nice message this sends. The worst is Nissan. Why can't they show someone driving normally and enjoying themselves. And what's with the sucky music? Even Cadillac for God's sake has somebody screaming. Am I getting old?? :-)
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:25 PM
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13. what would be nice is a car ad that deals with a standard traffic jam.
Considering that most drivers spend more time in jams, than on mountains.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:24 PM
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12. The Boeing ad that uses a salute to the troops to tout their products.
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