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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:37 AM
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Franken is a whore.
He just said that we don't know what to do with Iraq. B.S. He just doesn't us want to pull out because he they wouldn't let him go on the USO tour.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:38 AM
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:39 AM
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2. No, dear --- we really DON'T know what to do with it.
George and pals never planned that far ahead.
They were jonesing to get IN and start steamrolling the place.
They never thought about what would happen NEXT.


:hippie:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:39 AM
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3. Popcorn, git yer popcorn
:popcorn:
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haydukelives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:42 AM
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9. Pass me some
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:55 AM
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26. Made yours a large, at no extra charge
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:48 AM
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22. can I have carmel on mine?
I need something sweet
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:54 AM
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25. Sweets for the sweet!
Carmel corn it is!
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:39 AM
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4. Could it be that it's because Franken is a big supporter of Israel?
I know that a lot of supporters of Israel back the war in Iraq.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:41 AM
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8. You're saying Al Franken backs the war? How uninformed can you be? NT
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:43 AM
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10. He has said many times that we should not just pull out.
He also said that he was in favor of it in the beginning.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:44 AM
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15. And he apologized profusely for his original thoughts on it.
Or did you miss that?

As for "not just pulling out", even Murtha feels that way.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:59 AM
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29. Exactly
In his book "Lies" he tells how he was for it in the beginning but he was wrong.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:44 AM
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12. I can be REALLY, REALLY uninformed
But I was posing a question.

Do you know if Al is a big supporter of Israel?

Are you informed on this issue, pray tell?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:46 AM
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16. As a non-practicing Jew, I think Al is as big a defender of Israel as
many of us are. (We're both non-observant Jews.) I don't think that either of us likes right wing governments, no matter where they are.
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wixomblues Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:58 AM
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28. I've read all of
Franken's books, and he doesn't deal with the "issue" of Israel, that I recall.

Franken seems to be about decency, and honesty. I believe he's less concerned with partisan issues as he is with the deception republicans use to further their agenda. His role, to date, has been exposing this deception and it's use to trick Americans.

As far as him saying he doesn't know what to do, that doesn't seem like something that we should be up in arms about. As a longtime lurker, I know that most people on DU don't want a complete withdrawal over night. That would create more problems then it would solve.

American lives are not more precious then Iraqi lives, or anyone else. While out troops are in danger, constantly, removing them would create more danger for more people. And that responsibility would fall on our heads.

A lot of politicians have advanced responsible plans, such as Kerry.
As a democrat, and decent person(I'd like to think), I would like the resolution for this debacle to at least offer the people whose lives we've disrupted some hope and chance of stability.

I respect others who feel that an immediate withdrawal would accomplish this, but I do not agree with them. Maybe I'm a whore as well.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 12:09 PM
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31. Welcome to DU.
Sure, philosophically, American lives are not more precious then Iraqi lives. But our government's duty is not so inclined.

For me, the only caution that should be used in getting out would be for the safety of out troops. We and Iraqis have already killed so many Iraqis what does it matter? We need to end our ongoing responsibility for this mess. Bush made a mistake. He should admit it and get the hell out. Then offer humanitarian aid to Iraq - and no more war.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:40 AM
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5. WTF
:wtf:
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:40 AM
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6. Franken is right.
What happens when the US pulls out and the Middle East flares up into an inferno? Bush has stuck the US to Iraq like shit to a blanket.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:47 AM
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19. What do you think it is right now?
Blood blood blood. We can't solve it. Get out now before we lose anymore young men!
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:51 AM
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24. There isn't any Mideast countries militaries involved.
Wait til Iran,Syria,and Turkey try to subjugate the Kurds. Wait til the Sunnis in Saudi Arabia try to annex the south and the Shiite Iranians the northeast. If you don't think the US will get involved,I'd have to disagree.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:58 AM
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27. Why does what you say remind me of Vietnam?
Dominoes? Let me tell you the biggest threat to peace in the area is the presence of the United States as an occupier. We can't force any peace let alone democracy on these people.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 12:00 PM
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30. I cannot look into the future.
But if Iraq is left weak and indefensive this will almost certainly come true.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:41 AM
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7. no is you at some do not sLight air
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:43 AM
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11. Wait...so we do know what to do with Iraq?
:shrug:

Do you know something the military, government, and the American public doesn't?
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:44 AM
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13. What the hell? Franken has been to Iraq several times . . .
The Dem bashing becomes tiresome.

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:44 AM
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14. Yes, but is he a gutter slut or a high-priced call girl?
:shrug:
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:46 AM
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17. gotta support them troops, right?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:47 AM
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20. And Franken does it by entertaining the troops overseas.
Unlike the RW gasbags, who just TALK about it.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:50 AM
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23. Yup.....
Franken has been doing USO tours for some time now.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:46 AM
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18. well i don't think we do know what to do with iraq. bushco got
us into a mess that's going to be hard to get out of.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:47 AM
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mrhopeforwes Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 12:14 PM
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32. so you're saying it's as simple as just pulling out????
DUH. Here, you need to read this (everyone does):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1653454,00....
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 12:32 PM
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33. Incredible thread title
There are many people of good will, people who were opposed to and tried to stop the invasion of Iraq, who are saying we don't have any really good options at this point. Are they all "whores"?

Rightwing extremists took over the country so they could have the keys to the treasury, where they've proceeded to obscenely wallow like pigs in mud. Along with committing a multitude of other atrocities including the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Franken is one of the few public figures who stood up against this plaque of rightwing locusts -- during a time when this kind of opposition got you labeled a traitor -- and has been devoted to shining a light on their hideousness. But now he gets labeled with the same language of condemnation that we justifiably apply to the criminals that are destroying our country from within.

Incredible.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 12:44 PM
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35. Whore explained
Al Franken is a whore because of his USO ties. He would serve our troops a lot better if he came out for their full and immediate withdrawal. But no, he has to dance around the issue so he will be allowed to "entertain". This is hypocrisy!

Sure, he has done a tremendous amount to unveil the evils of Bush and the Republicans. But, he is skirting the biggest issue.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 12:40 PM
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34. No, he is a furter.
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