So, suppose the Dem's came out against the Iraq occupation en masse....

[NNN0LHI]

Poll question: So, suppose the Dem's came out against the Iraq occupation en masse....

...do you think the soldiers who's lives the Dem's were attempting to save would still give Chimpy a rousing round of applause every time he called the Democrats traitors during one of his televised speeches to them?

[bryant69]

1. What would Bush actually say?

"I respect the need to debate national issues. I respect thre right of Democrats to disagree with policies or programs I support. I only hope that they can do so in a mannter that doesn't hurt our troops abroad. I believe in our soldiers in the field. America has the finest fighting force the world the world has ever known. And the American people are united behind them, even if some might question them and how they do their job."

That sort of thing.

Bryant
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[Solly Mack]

2. Fuck everyone that lumps all soldiers together as Bush supporters

:)

and the ignorance of the military displayed by some on DU is staggering and I'm more than a little tired of it.

Soldiers are all too often under direct orders to cheer the CinC at a staged event - regardless of who the CinC happens to be

[Lerkfish]

5. great minds and all that... I said similar at the same time.

[Solly Mack]

9. I appreciate what you said too!

I get so tired of the flat out wrong belief that soldiers all support Bush. And the lack of understanding that soldiers are FORCED to applaud the idiot regardless of how they really feel about him.

You'd think people would then (logically) conclude that clapping and cheering Bush is not indicative of anything.

[Swamp Rat]

6. Yes, like my cousin, who has spent a lot of time going from Basra

to Mosul to Baghdad the last couple of years. He cannot stand the idiot Bush and says most of his colleagues in the military feel the same way.

[Solly Mack]

8. Exactly. Thank you, Swamp Rat! Thank your cousin for me as well!!!

:)

[Lerkfish]

3. not a fair question: Bush is like all banana republic dictators, forcing

soldiers to provide captive audience.

whether they applaud or not has no bearing on their personal viewpoint.

[Solly Mack]

4. Thank you

I much appreciate that.

[NNN0LHI]

7. I never suggested it had anything to do with their personal viewpoint

I asked if they would cheer for the ape when he called the Dem's all traitors on national television. Just answer that question. Would they?

Don

[Lerkfish]

10. um...did you understand at all the point of my post?

if you did, I don't understand your subsequent question.

[NNN0LHI]

12. I understood your post and it had nothing to do with my poll question

No one asked who does or does not support Bushit here. The question was would they applaud for Bush if he called the Dem's traitors? You and some others seem to want to read more into this than is there for some reason?

Don

[Solly Mack]

13. Being one of the "some others", I'll respond

The soldiers will have to applaud if given a direct order to do so - so you're asking the way you asked isn't fair. It's a loaded poll, in fact. Loaded the way most polls are loaded - geared to show a certain outcome that all too often has little to do with the reality of the matter.

It doesn't take into account how the military operates. So someone reading your poll would see a bunch of people who think all soldiers support anything Bush might say (by clapping and cheering) when that is simply not the case.

[NNN0LHI]

15. So the Dem's had better be prepared for that fact of life then right?

The Dem's had better be prepared for Bush to be getting up in front of these captive audiences for the media to break into normal programming to show. Because it is going to happen. Isn't it?

Because if Bushit calls the Dem's traitors the soldiers will applaud for whatever reason. And there won't be no DUers coming on the cable shows afterward explaining to their viewers that they had to applaud even though they didn't want to. Will there be?

Don

[Solly Mack]

16. No, but then the ignorance of the people is not the responsibility

of the soldiers. We both know people won't look to the truth of the matter - they'll just apply their prejudices and popularly held misconceptions. Also, Congress might try calling Bush on using the soldiers to "campaign", which is forbidden - though he gets away with it. I don't expect any truth from the media.

All that said - there's no cause for feeding the ignorance.

[Lerkfish]

18. THIS post should be your originating post. Make your point directly

instead of trying to have others come up with your point through a poll.

just my two cents.

Not that I agree with your foregone combative assertions necessarily, but at least I can respond to them.

the solution, as I see it, I stated in my other post: call the dem congresscritters and remind them this practice is illegal.
call the media and do the same.

If you are wanting to goad DUers into action, this is a real backwards way of getting there, IMHO.

[Lerkfish]

17. you appear to be on a fishing expedition.

I was explaining why your poll was unfairly asked, since the outcome is foregone conclusion. Whether we think they would or would not applaud is moot.
They are there under orders. If they applaud, that means they followed orders. If they do not, then they have defied orders.

If you are on a fishing expedition, and wanting to draw out a particular response, may I humbly suggest a loaded poll question is not the way to do so?

Simply state that the the military is required to applaud, and then move on to how we get the corporate media to highlight that setup response for the general public.

One way would be to request members of congress to declare the practice illegal (which it is). Another would be to blanket call the media.

I suppose I liken your question to asking whether we think the sun will rise tomorrow. Our answers are meaningless, and it causes people to wonder why you're asking.

[mopinko]

11. they didn't cheer the last time

iirc, his last attempt to use the troops as props was met with such resounding silence that the lapdogs had to add applause.

[Doctor_J]

14. I would go out on my porch and watch the pigs fly by

that'll happen before Hillary and JoeMentum admit that Operation Flight Suit was a mistake.

[Rhiannon12866]

19. Those on the front lines have to know the truth.

It's those in The White House that believe their own lies.:grr: