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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:25 AM
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According to Google there is only one Methodist Church in Crawford TX
And the minister is a black man who was also Mayor of Crawford and yet Bush* has never met the man... Bush* says he is a Methodist and yet has never met the Methodist Minister of Crawford or Waco. The same man is Minister for both communities. Has MSM ever mentioned this? And they wonder why we think they don't give us real news.....
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:27 AM
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1. Not surprising to me
after all, God talks directly to *, so why does he need a minister?
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Rufus T. Firefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:29 AM
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3. He's pretty impressive, this guy.
After all, even the pope goes to confession. * doesn't need to, because 1) He's got God on speed dial, and 2) he's without sin.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:28 AM
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2. but, but... NBC showed the m&ms crossed the finish line!
;)
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:14 PM
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4. Didn't the Methodist church threaten to throw the chimp* out
I thought they had a few months back, I don't remember if the Methodist excoummicate people, but in this case I wish they would.
The monkeyboy* has his own gawd and I don't believe it resembles the one the Methodist worship.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:49 PM
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9. The thing I find interesting
Is Bush proclaims to be a Methodist but he caters to the rightwing conservative evanagelical Baptist sorts.
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Joy Anne Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:17 PM
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5. hasn't joined or attended a DC Methodist church either
The only time you'll see the First Couple in one of those churchsteps photo ops is when Daddy's in town and drags them to the Episcopal church.

And he's lived in DC longer than he's lived in Crawford, where Laura was still furnishing and decorating the newly built house until March 2001 or so.

Joy
http://badattitudes.com/MT/archives/003355.html
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:18 PM
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6. Empty Pew....Bush does not go to church...
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041011&s=sullivan101104

WHY W. DOESN'T GO TO CHURCH.
Empty Pew
by Amy Sullivan

snip

What most--including many of the president's fiercest supporters--don't know, however, is that Bush doesn't go to church. Sure, when he weekends at Camp David, Bush spends Sunday morning with the compound's chaplain. And, every so often, he drops in on the little Episcopal church across Lafayette Park from the White House. But the president who has staked much of his domestic agenda on the argument that religious communities hold the key to solving social problems doesn't belong to a congregation.

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The first excuse conservatives provide is that Bush can't possibly be expected to have time to go to church, what with being leader of the free world and all. Yet, during Jimmy Carter's four years in the White House, he found time not only to attend a Baptist church in the Washington, D.C., area, but to teach Sunday school there as well. For a presidential delegator like Bush--who has freed up enough time to spend approximately one-third of his presidency on vacation--finding a few hours for church should be a snap.

But, even if Bush had the time for church services, supporters protest, the security precautions necessary for a presidential visit would drive congregants away. This is the exact same argument the Reagan White House trotted out to explain why the patron saint of the religious right hardly ever attended church from 1981 to 1989. Bomb-sniffing dogs, metal detectors, and security personnel, so the theory goes, would pose an onerous burden for the average church. "The president wants to avoid the sort of major weekly disruption that would be caused if he went to church," says David Aikman, author of A Man of Faith: The Spiritual Journey of George W. Bush.

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Or it could be that Bush's faith, while sincere, is not terribly deep. Aikman, who had significant access to Bush confidantes while writing his book, has said that he "could not get from anybody a sort of credo of what believes." Nevertheless, Aikman pressed on by "intuit" Bush's faith and presenting as evidence of the president's deep spiritual commitment his fondness for carrots and jogging (apparently a response to the scriptural admonition to treat the body as a temple for God) and the politeness of White House staffers ("though manners are not specifically connected to George W.'s personal religious faith, it was as though the discipline he brought to his own life of prayer and Bible study filtered down into the work habits of everyone who worked with him").




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Joy Anne Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:44 PM
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7. Clinton did
Clinton attended a DC Methodist church every Sunday he was in town. He always carried his own Bible, which isn't common among Methodists, and there weren't any assassination attempts.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:51 PM
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10. Yep!
And Chelsea was active in the youth group and choir. They had metal dectors at all the doors and nobody seemed to mind. Clinton's Methodist too? Huh. I thought he was Baptist. :blush:
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Joy Anne Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 07:13 PM
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16. Clinton's denomination
He was raised Southern Baptist (hence carrying a Bible to church, I guess), but Hillary's Methodist.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:00 PM
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11. And Clinton was attacked pretty regularly by the right wing for doing so
they said it was just a pathetic photo op.

They aren't impressed when a man who doesn't flaunt his religion goes to church every Sunday, but they are impressed when a man who talks nonstop about how religous he is, how close he is to God, and how Jesu changed his heart doesn't even bother to go to Church except for on special occasions like holidays and when the press will be expecting him to show up.

Its just amazing, but the more I study the more I find that Republicans and conservatives are comfortable being lied to as long as its the lies they want to hear.

And they even prefer the lie over the real thing.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:47 PM
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8. Very very interesting
So he lied about his faith too? Or maybe he doesn't go to a church in Crawford and only uses the town as a prop?
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Joy Anne Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 07:16 PM
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17. He just moved to Crawford
He lived in a Dallas (or Houston maybe?) penthouse before he needed a folksier background for his presidential run. And he doesn't go to church anywhere.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:08 PM
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12. I tend to think his faith is more of the "Chamber of Commerce" variety...
Show me the money!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:23 PM
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13. We are not even sure what Bible Bush reads???


Am I surprised that he doesn't go to church... No
Am I surprised that he is a hypocrite NOPE


The rumors are that he doesn't read even from the same Bible!!!

There are many Bibles
St James
King James (KJV)

New King James (NKJV)

English Standard (ESV)

New American Standard NASB)
Dynamic
Equivalent Revised Standard (RSV)

New Revised Standard (NRSV)

Updated NASB

Amplified Bible

New American Bible

New International (NIV)

New English Bible
The Freemason Bible

So when a person says he is reading the Bible which one is he talking about???
The FreeMason Bible is the 42 volume Lost Thoth writings...
a little story here

When George was inaugarated

Masonic order used for the swearing in of U.S. Presidents

For the sixth time in history, a pre-revolutionary Bible owned by the Masonic order was to be used for the swearing in of a U.S. president.
George W. Bush had intended to take the oath of office as the nation's 43rd president on the historic Masonic bible. George Washington was the first, in 1789. The last was George H.W. Bush, who used the Bible in 1989.
On Friday, 19 January 2001, three officials of the Manhattan-based St. John's Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons boarded an Amtrak liner for Washington, D.C., carrying the nine-pound, 234-year-old King James Bible in a special container. At Union Station, they were met by inaugural committee officials and escorted to the inaugural site. They were literally waiting in the wings in a room adjacent to the inauguration platform when, at the 12th hour, a decision was made (attributed to the Vice President, but not confirmed) not to jeopardize the Bible because of the rain then pelting the area.
Bound in London in 1767, the Bible was brought to the colonies and given by Jonathan Hampton to the St. John's Lodge in lower Manhattan three years later when he became its grand master.
Just before Washington was to take his oath of office on the steps of Federal Hall in New York City on April 30, 1789, it was discovered that there was no Bible on hand. The then-New York Gov. Robert Livingston, a Masonic grand master, borrowed the lodge's bible from St. John's Masonic Lodge, which had meeting rooms just a short distance away. A statue of Washington marks the site in front of the present-day Federal Hall on Wall Street.


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The Icon Painter Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:23 PM
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14. Bush's Bible
Is there a Bible for Dummies? I doubt he is capable of reading the KJV - all those big words, you know.
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:28 PM
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15. He never said he was a Methodist...
He said "I made a mess'a this." He was a little tipsy & was slurring his words.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 07:24 PM
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18. Some people who live in Crawford are horribly deluded
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 07:24 PM by Bouncy Ball
and think that bush is their "neighbor."

That pig farm was purchased during the 2000 primaries to give him more of an image of being a "cowboy" (a cowboy afraid of horses, LOL!!!).

It's a very isolated pig farm and I doubt a single resident of Crawford has actually been past the front gates. Once he's out of office, he's moving to some fancy digs in Houston, mark my words. They'll wait a certain period of time, then sell the pig farm. It's for show only.

People are also horribly deluded if they think bush is a Methodist.

Or even a Christian.

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