Paper Ballots NOW! Hand Counts NOW! IMPEACHMENT NOW!!!

[In Truth We Trust]

Or else!

[bryant69]

1. Paper trail Now!

And, allow me to ask the obvious question, or else what?

Human's are easily as corruptable as machines.

Bryant
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[In Truth We Trust]

2. "or else" is a challenge to consider the consequences. Hand counts are the

best method of insuring that there can't be widespread fraWd as we have witnessed too often (02,04, and 05).

[mod mom]

3. the Paper Ballots Initiatives that are being put forward will have to come

at the state level, due to the non interest of fair elections by the controlling party. This means a huge committment by those who fight for fair and transparent elections. Please get involved with groups within your state. the groundwork has been done. Seek assistance from those who have researched the issue.

[Cassandra]

4. Thank you but...

can we carve the turkey first?

[Caesarmajestic]

5. Vote fraud is easy to prove

It has to do with who held the admin position in the databases that they (Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia, etc) sold our Election Boards.

If they sold them these databases but did not turn over the admin position to Election Boards, then they (Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia, etc)can still do whatever they want in these databases on Election Day. (This is if they have either physical OR network access, which they did - because central computers counted the votes)
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In other words, ask anybody who works as a Election Board employee, "Did you realize that the people you bought these from can still log in on election day and change votes?"

If they say yes, they are guilty of not performing their jobs, as they are ultimately responsible to the public for security on election day.

If they say no, they have been defrauded in a very felonious manner.

Since this is true for every Election Board in the country, we now have a very easy proof of widespread nationwide election fraud which apparently would be supported by Election Boards accross the country.

[Caesarmajestic]

6. Also . . .

Listen, I program databases. I ASSURE you that a computer system could be made fair for voting. Your arguments for paper trails DO NOT prevent fraud. Your logic is incomplete here.

In other words, they could give you what you want and still defraud the shit out of you.

Be careful what you ask for, they just might give it to you.

[KerryOn]

8. Disagree...

Computers can not be made fair for voting, and a paper receipt is worthless.

The only way to be sure an election is fair, is to use paper ballots. The paper ballets would then be counted by a team of members of each party involved at the precinct level. From there those votes would be certified by the team and hand carried by the entire team to the county for totaling. Then on to the state and so on.

[Independent_Liberal]

7. Damn right!

Impeach and remove the entire executive branch! You heard me. Cut the branch off! Then form a new cabinet.

[paineinthearse]

9. Today on Thanksgiving, I am thankful for Andy Stephenson, patriot

Still in my buddy list, and will be forever.

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