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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:25 PM
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36 against 2,000--Lost At Tora Bora
Did they want Osama to escape?

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September 11, 2005
Lost at Tora Bora
By MARY ANNE WEAVER

Well past midnight one morning in early December 2001, according to American intelligence officials, Osama bin Laden sat with a group of top aides - including members of his elite international 055 Brigade - in the mountainous redoubt of Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan. Outside, it was blustery and bitterly cold; many of the passes of the White Mountains, of which Tora Bora forms a part, were already blocked by snow. But inside the cave complex, where bin Laden had sought his final refuge from the American war in Afghanistan - a war in which Washington, that October, had struck back for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks - bin Laden munched on olives and sipped sugary mint tea. He was dressed in his signature camouflage jacket, and a Kalashnikov rested by his side. Captured Qaeda fighters, interviewed separately, told American interrogators that they recalled an address that bin Laden had made to his followers shortly before dawn. It concerned martyrdom. American bombs, including a 15,000-pound "daisy cutter," were raining from the sky and pulverizing a number of the Tora Bora caves. And yet, one American intelligence official told me recently, if any one thing distinguished Osama bin Laden on that cold December day, it was the fact that the 44-year-old Saudi multimillionaire appeared to be supremely confident.

The first time bin Laden had seen the Tora Bora caves, he had been a young mujahedeen fighter and a recent university graduate with a degree in civil engineering. It had been some 20 years before, during Washington's first Afghan war, the decade-long, C.I.A.-financed jihad of the 1980's against the Soviet occupation. Rising to more than 13,000 feet, 35 miles southwest of the provincial capital of Jalalabad, Tora Bora was a fortress of snow-capped peaks, steep valleys and fortified caves. Its miles of tunnels, bunkers and base camps, dug deeply into the steep rock walls, had been part of a C.I.A.-financed complex built for the mujahedeen. Bin Laden had flown in dozens of bulldozers and other pieces of heavy equipment from his father's construction empire, the Saudi Binladin Group, one of the most prosperous construction companies in Saudi Arabia and throughout the Persian Gulf. According to one frequently told story, bin Laden would drive one of the bulldozers himself across the precipitous mountain peaks, constructing defensive tunnels and storage depots.

Indeed, by December 2001, when the final battle of Tora Bora took place, the cave complex had been so refined that it was said to have its own ventilation system and a power system created by a series of hydroelectric generators; bin Laden is believed to have designed the latter. Tora Bora's walls and the floors of its hundreds of rooms were finished and smooth and extended some 350 yards into the granite mountain that enveloped them.

Now, as the last major battle of the war in Afghanistan began, hidden from view inside the caves were an estimated 1,500 to 2,000 well-trained, well-armed men. A mile below, at the base of the caves, some three dozen U.S. Special Forces troops fanned out. They were the only ground forces that senior American military leaders had committed to the Tora Bora campaign.

MORE >> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/magazine/11TORABORA.html?ei=5088&en=b2be68c2558e1937&ex=1284091200&pagewanted=print
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:37 PM
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1. Why yes, yes they did. nt
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:43 PM
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3. And all part thanks to the CIA
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:40 PM
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2. Was it wise to send 2,000 troops after 36 ghosts?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:04 PM
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7. ???? What are you talking about?
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:44 PM
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4. I can't decide
if this is an example of gross incompetence, willful neglect, or some deliberate attempt to let Bin Laden escape.

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ender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:47 PM
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5. the russians had the same problem in afghanistan.
the tora bora mountains are a maze of caves. needle in a haystack scenario.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:03 PM
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6. Deliberate attempt to allow him to escape due to his family
ties to the bushitlers.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:09 PM
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8. Smart enough to mastermind 9/11 but stupid enough to wait for our military?
Something is the matter with this picture. If he knew 9/11 was going to happen why would he hang around in some cave in Tora Bora? I don't get it?

Don
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:28 PM
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9. Clear indication of guaranteed protection.
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 01:29 PM by lonestarnot
So what's so hard to get?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:43 PM
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10. There are no guarantees that some 19 year old Marine won't get lucky...
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 01:44 PM by NNN0LHI
...and shoot him. Or that some 'smart' bomb might fall on his head. More likely he was no where near Afghanistan the day before 9/11 if he did it.

Don
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:45 PM
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11. Did we read the same article?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:57 PM
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12. You ever seen any pictures of the cave complex described in the story?
>>>Indeed, by December 2001, when the final battle of Tora Bora took place, the cave complex had been so refined that it was said to have its own ventilation system and a power system created by a series of hydroelectric generators; bin Laden is believed to have designed the latter. Tora Bora's walls and the floors of its hundreds of rooms were finished and smooth and extended some 350 yards into the granite mountain that enveloped them.<<<

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:22 PM
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13. I never seen any pictures either. Just some crude drawings on CNN
I think it was all BS like the 'Winnebago's Of Death'.

Don
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 04:36 PM
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14. Exactly!
The drawings were the same genre as the Winnebagos of Death, and, according to this article, the "allied forces" were able to take the position and capture "about 20 rag-tag" survivors. So that indicates to me that we have had access to the complex and yet, there have been no pictures or descriptions of it anywhere.
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