Just had a huge fight with a marine friend of mine

[SkipNewarkDE]

I was telling my marine friend that I intended to move to California, and a huge fight erupted, when he spit in disdain, asking why I would want to move to such a liberal faggot state.

I told him that yes, the liberals were so damned bad, things are so much better under the conservative regime that has brought this country to the state it is in today.

He went ballistic. He started screaming about Clinton gutting the military, and selling ICBMs (?) to China, and closing bases, and he should know, because he was a marine and he served and he knows these things. And Cinton had four chances to catch Bin Laden.

I pointed out that the ongoing president had NO CLUE about Bin Laden, and that, in fact, his big hardon at the start of his term was a missle defense shield, despite the fact that the outgoing administration warned them repeatedly that terrorism and alQuaeda were the most important national security issues. I reminded him that Bush was told about Bin Laden's determination to strike in the U.S. the summer before 9/11 and Bush went on vacation.

I reminded him that no WMDs had been found. OH but they had, we just weren't told about it, you see, he knows this because he was in the military.... you see, we wanted to recover them in secret. WHAT?!?!?!? Fighting an evil dictator is a just cause for war. Yeah, I said, but not the one we were originally told about... the war was about an imminent attack on us by Iraq, and ties to alQuaeda. Both justifications proven to be false.

Well then it is all about politics, he said. We were no longer looked upon as a super power and war is good for the economy. Yeah, the economy is going gangbusters right now, GM just laid of another 30,000 people, gas is $2.50 a gallon, and we have a huge deficit. Next?

Then I was told that I have no right to comment on this because I didn't serve my country. I told him to fuck off, I have every right as a tax paying citizen to question and criticize what my country does in my name.


Incidentally, I thought, as a footnote, that I should point out that this same liberal-hating marine has no problem with the very liberal concept of gay sex, nor infidelity outside of a relationship - he had done both of these, in fact, dating me while involved with another man. Breathtaking in the contradictions.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. I think bush has closed more bases and made more funding cuts to

the VA, etc.

People here (in US) can be pretty stupid!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5423449&mesg_id=5423449

[tabasco]

2. Sounds like a true idiot.

Don't think all the military loves Fuhrer Bush. Everybody I know in the Army hates Bush.

[DistressedAmerican]

3. Just Send Him This. He Will Cheer Right Up!

[SkipNewarkDE]

4. He's friends with the guy

... believe it or not. I told him what I thought of Gannon.

[DistressedAmerican]

24. Well There Is All Of The Character Reference You Should Need Right There!

Just hope he does not come back.

[LynzM]

5. Wow, self-hating going on there much?

"asking why I would want to move to such a liberal faggot state." and "he had done both of these, in fact, dating me while involved with another man"

Oy. I would say drop him as a friend if he's going to treat you that way and isn't willing to listen or have a constructive discussion, but that's a) easier said than done and b) not my place.

I hope you can either make up or move on. Fighting sucks :hug:

[SkipNewarkDE]

The lying about the existing relationship thing...

... kind of already did it for me, already, months ago. I have already moved on.

I am sad to say there is no arguing with this one. And it is breathtaking that any problems had now, some six years after Clinton, are still his fault. Despite how shitty everything is now.

[LynzM]

10. Yeah, I'd imagine that kind of betrayal would be enough

I can't believe how much people still hold things to be Clinton's fault. Though, to be fair, I may still be blaming things on Bush in 2013 :evilgrin:

[EFerrari]

34. People blame Clinton because in their hearts, they know

he was strong, smart and capable.

Unlike Monkey Boy, who couldn't be trusted to hold a flashlight.

The blame really is a compliment, in a twisted way.

/grammar

[SkipNewarkDE]

6. The lying about the existing relationship thing...

... kind of already did it for me, already, months ago.

I am sad to say there is no arguing with this one. And it is breathtaking that any problems had now, some six years after Clinton, are still his fault. Despite how shitty everything is now.

[SunDrop23]

Make sure he knows if he gets a leg blown off in battle...

that Bush has cut VA funding to near nothing, so he way want to contact a prosthetics vendor prior to deployment. There's probably a waiting list...

[unpossibles]

7. infidelity seems more of a NeoCon problem

whereas we're just open minded. :)

[bleedingheart]

8. The biggest supporter of China is the American Public...

The American Public loves low prices all the time...and we have willingly stood by as industry and jobs have moved overseas to big ole Red China.

Wal-Mart is literally nothing more than a big outlet for those Chinese made goods...which profit state run companies that literally send money into the coffers of the Red Army...HA HA HA....

Today the US debt is owned primarily by two countries Japan and China...who is probably going to overtake Japan for how much US debt they will hold....

The American people elected the corporate controlled government which has been indebting us to China.

[SunDrop23]

9. Make sure he knows if he gets a leg blown off in battle...

that Bush has cut VA funding to near nothing, so he way want to contact a prosthetics vendor prior to deployment. There's probably a waiting list...

[Lost4words]

11. end the friendship ASAP this is a week mind you are dealing with

I dont think you are safe, no really. Anyday now he will blame you for his and the worlds problems.

[peacetalksforall]

12. When people put the economy before life, a complete body and mind,

a healthy immune system, a nightmare free sleep, parenting, a dream career pursuit, a chance to live without food stamps, or the bureacracy of trying to get vets rights - when people put the economy from phony and perpetual wars ahead of these things - we are doomed as humans.

[SkipNewarkDE]

14. Amen.

We went down that path. He started going on some lame-ass rant about sacrifice, you have to sacrifice. I told him he was insane.

Understanding the mindset of this guy, and I am assuming others like him... We had to go out and defeat our enemies to make us feared as a super power, and war was good for the economy.

Kind of a typical, figurative small-penis argument.

I told him this was immoral and evil, that the young men who serve our country are not cattle for the slaughter based on some economic whim.

[peacetalksforall]

18. Thanks for your energy and drive. In the short term, you may not have

got far. There's hope for the long term. We seem to avoid going at it with friends - but it's important because there may be a trail of lingering doubts that they can think about. Thanks for sharing.

[SkipNewarkDE]

23. My best friend...

.. was in the Army, and a rabid Fox-watching, Clinton-hating right winger. He and I argued and debated, but we were respectful of each other's opinions, and loved each other dearly.

I had dinner at his house a couple of days ago with his wife and his child. Since the birth of his baby, there has been a 180 degree turn around in his views. He looks upon the current administration, the current war as evil, foolish, bad. He thinks the current administration is packed with incompetent liars. He fears the social injustices. He is horrified at the ridiculousness of religion imposing on science in the classroom. He even questions his fundamental Christian beliefs.

He said that after his kid was born, he realized it all came down to wanting to make and live a happy, non-judged and non-judging life for his daughter, to be happy, secure.

Fox News is not allowed in his house now.

Fucking amazing. This army guy was uber right just a year ago.

[peacetalksforall]

25. You know, whenever I post or try to analyze what is happening to us and

the world either on my own or with someone - I always come back to this thought - If everyone made every decision for the good of children, we would have a path, a steering hand, and a common goal for good. But, some create exclusivity for their children to the death of others even though it boomerangs back to their children.

My practical religion is now centered mostly on the Beatitudes - (the Bible doesn't work for me because of the evil that is interpreted from it by some religion dominated reverends and radicals.)

Blessed be the children.

I wonder if there is even a book or an article devoted to the importance of living our lives for the longevity of our children accompanied by the theory that it is a political essential that could lead us to peace.

It just doesn't seem to be emphasized as a reason for our existence on this earth.

Save the fetus so that it can grow and die for a phony war.

[Marr]

13. It's no wonder he's angry. He's trying to believe several contradictory

things at once.

Anyway, he should at least visit my faggot state before he knocks it.

[SkipNewarkDE]

15. I'm visiting this weekend...

Well for having so many issues with those godless liberals, he seems to really love the kinky gay stuff. An analyst would have a field day with this one.

[Marr]

17. Where are you going in Cali?

[SkipNewarkDE]

20. Flying into San Francisco...

... then driving to Cupertino. Job interview with a very well-known and liberal company located there. *grin*

[Marr]

22. Oh, nice. Never been to Cupertino, but I love Frisco.

Have fun and good luck on your interview!

[EFerrari]

35. Break a leg! It's a lovely campus.

And, fyi, the cost of living is about the same in Cupertino and here in SF.

[Frances]

16. Has your ex-friend been to any Republican

gathering (not Log Cabin Republican) and revealed his sexual orientation?

If he has the courage to do something like that, then he has real courage.

[Lowell]

19. That Jarhead should be grateful to Clinton

for his don't ask, don't tell policy. Otherwise he would he'd be slinging burgers and talking tough at Mickey Ds.

[KingFlorez]

21. Good riddance

Who needs crazy people like that as friends? I swear some of these people need to be in the psych ward.

[Jose Diablo]

26. Gosh, you sure he's a friend?

Maybe he is good for buying rounds of beer. As long as he keeps buying the beer, why be enemies?

As soon as he stops buying the beer though, I'd tell him to take his ignorant ass off the bar stool and move down a few seats.

[Broken_Hero]

27. Nice fight, you debated well....

and yes, the contradictions are astounding...

[renate]

28. I think it's just not worth it

It's just my humble opinion, but it seems so sad for BushCo to be responsible for the breaking up of friendships.

If he hasn't changed his mind by now, it's going to take an act of bestial pedophilia in the Rose Garden with the cameras rolling to convince him... so let it go.

His opinions are not your responsibility. As frustrating as listening to him is, just consider letting this whole thing go.

If it comforts him to think that WMDs were found and nobody in the administration found it newsworthy, well, just... let it go.

I think these days minds are being changed with very little effort on our part, so for those who prefer to be stuck... let it go.

And if he won't drop this argument, if he won't let it go... let him go.

[Hekate]

29. Refer him to Radfringe's Marine friend--he's seen the light!

Here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5437165

:wow: what a scene that must have been with you and your erstwhile pal. Glad I wasn't there!

And welcome to California, once you get here! :hi:

Hekate

[Qanisqineq]

30. if Clinton was bad for the military

What is Bush? The soldiers say he is destroying the military. Tell this guy to get a fucking clue.

[xchrom]

31. lol -- aren't men wonderful?

you're gonna love cali.

and cupertino is great -- and s.f. out of this world.

welcome!

[johnaries]

32. Yep, Clinton cut the military and Kerry voted for it. Whose idea was it?

Who recommended it?

Dick Cheney.

"In subsequent years under Cheney the budgets proposed and the final outcomes followed patterns similar to the FY 1990 budget experience. Early in 1991 the secretary unveiled a plan to reduce military strength by the mid-1990s to 1.6 million, compared to 2.2 million when he entered office."
http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/bios/cheney.htm

[ReadTomPaine]

33. Tell his CO that he's gay, and you were his partner. n/t

[kevinbgoode]

36. When these military people start telling me that I have no right to...

an opinion, I quickly remind them that I pay their damned salary and sacrifice so they could have special discounts and benefits, including preferential treatment in employment in the private sector when they leave the service.

And since he's a closet case in the military, it wouldn't hurt to ask him why is it that there is still a ban on gays in the military? I always love to point out that I don't have a lot of faith in the protection of straight men for my country who have difficulty protecting their own peepees in the shower.

[ComerPerro]

37. Does he spout all that while waving an American flag

that was purchased at Wal-Mart, complete with a "Made in China" tag on it?

[Liberal In Texas]

38. It really shows you how far the brainwashing (kool aid drinking) has gone

when gay people are buying this idiocy hook, line, and sinker.

I know at least 2 gay guys here who are still staunch repukes (one is in the Log Cabin sect) despite what's gone down the last 5 years. They just don't see that they are supporting a bunch of people who are against their best interests. It just amazes me.

[kcwayne]

39. Putting on a uniform does not confer upon the wearer any automatic

attributes such as intelligence, respect, or special insights.

Each of these is earned, not awarded.