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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 12:03 PM
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Do Mel Gibson and Bob Novak belong to the same sect?
A fundamentalist Catholic sect.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 12:10 PM
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1. Mel belongs to a sect called The Holy Family
and Novak is puportedly a member of Opus Dei.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 12:52 PM
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3. Charlie- THe Holy Family is a Chapel, a Church- it is not a sect
Many rich Catholics build their own chapels and churches. The Kennedys have several... Visit the old chateaux in Europe and you'll notice they all have private chapels. This is nothing new and nothing schismatic.

Mel is a traditionalist Catholic who prefers his mass in Latin- that does not make him a schismatic. He never left the Church and is free to have the Classical Traditionalist Mass celebrated in Latin if he prefers. There are 2 churches in my small city that have a Tridentine (Latin) Mass every Sunday- it's perfectly acceptable.

As far as his involvment with the possibly schismatic Society of Pope Pius X, the bans of excommunication on three of the four bishops ordained by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre were lifted long ago and Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos assured the traditionalists that the Vatican has allowed their continued use of the Mass of St. Pius V. As a matter of fact the Tridentine Mass is again being celebrated in Rome and many churches. In 1984, Pope John Paul authorized the use of the old rite at the discretion of diocesan bishops.

The SSPX, and all other traditional Roman Catholic priests and orders, says the Mass as it has been said for 2,000 years -- essentially unchanged, perhaps even in language, from the time of Christ. They have never been ex-communicated. Their arch-bishop was asked to stop ordaining priests (which he refused to do) but they are priests nonetheless and priests in good standing despite the theological dispute they're having with the Church. You would be surprised just how much support they have from the majority of practicing, devout Catholics who are appalled at the theological confusion rampant since Vatican II.

http://www.sspx.org /
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 01:10 PM
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5. Mel doesn't think it is a mass unless an priest ordained before
Edited on Thu Oct-16-03 01:20 PM by Classical_Liberal
Vatican II says it. Are you sure that isn't schismatic? I don't go along with antisemite stuff, but I don't think he is necessarily in good standing. There was anger and the excesses of some of the Vatican II remormers like closing schools and ill advised remodeling of old churches, but there isn't much enthusiasm for going back, and most Catholics would like more changes to the structure of the church, and would specifically like changes to the doctrines on birth control, and female priests. The Latin mass never stopped being celebrated in Rome. The majority of practicing Catholics may have some points of agreement with the traditionalist, but they more points of disagreement with the progressives. Very few would support all of it.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 01:20 PM
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6. Thanks, Tinoire
That's my ignorance of Catholicism showing. So, Mel's offshoot enjoys the sanction and tolerance of the mother church? That surprises me, especially considering his dad regularly issues barbed commentary about the illegitimacy of the current Pope and Vatican doctrine (all of which Mel has characterized as "canonically sound").
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 12:19 PM
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2. Notable Members of Opus Dei
Robert Hanssen - FBI agent & Soviet spy, alleged as source that Clinton sold "secrets" to the Chinese

Antonin Scalia - godfather of the Supreme Court's intervention in the 2002 Presidential election

Louis Freeh - director of the FBI, critic of Clinton who supported independent counsel investigation into Clinton

Robert Novak - Republican columnist

Laurence Kudlow - Rightwing economic buttboy

Senator Sam Brownback - Republican Senator from Kansas

Senator Rick Santorum - devout Catholic with close ties to Opus Dei
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 01:30 PM
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7. Is Ann Coulter a member?
For some reason I think I heard that during the Hanssen case.

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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 01:32 PM
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8. Wouldn't surprise me, she reminds of this abusive nun
I had in first grade.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 04:32 PM
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9. Dan Leaves "Religion" Blank. Laura INGRAHAM Converted
In the first link, which the subjects themselves probably filled out for themselves, since Dan COULTER is SO humerous in listing her "Family Economic Status" as "Rich", she leaves paternal/maternal religion blank and lists nothing for herself, because she is SO "private". So everything there is suspect, especially since she lists her gener as "Female" and sexual preference as "heterosexual".

It was Laura INGRAHAM, crawler across bar floors and affair-mate of Asa HUTCHINSON, who converted to Catholicism sometime last year, but haven't found anything linking her explicitly to Opus Dei.

But check out the "Famous Catholics" link, where Oliver STONE is listed adjacent to some of the more INfamous ones. Also in the list are some other idiosyncracies, such as "Ronald (RAYGUN's) father" and "Elizabeth HURLEY's father" and "Elizabeth HURLEY's son".

******QUOTE*****

http://www.thenationaldebate.com/profiles/Ann%20Coulter...

http://www.geocities.com/catholic_prayer/fc_list.html

....Senator Joe McCarthy ("McCarthysm", Cold war)
Adolf Hitler ("Fuehrer")
Joseph Goebbels (Nazi propaganda)
Heinrich Himmler (SS)
Fidel Castro (Cuban dictator)
Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwean dictator)
Lucky Luciano ("father" of modern organized crime)
Federico Fellini (director, "La Dolce Vita", "Amarcord")
Oliver Stone (director, "JFK", "Platoon")
....Sinead OConnor (Raised Catholic, Now priest for the Latin Tridentine Church, a splinter group of the Roman Catholic Church as Mother Bernadette Mary )
Tom Cruise (Raised Catholic Now Scientologist -Once wanted to be priest)
John Travolta (Raised Catholic Now Scientologist)
Jenna Elfman (Raised Catholic Now Scientologist)
Dennis Leary (Raised Catholic Now Anti-Catholic)
Janeane Garofalo (Raised Catholic Now Atheist?)
George Clooney (Raised Catholic Now Atheist?) ....

*****UNQUOTE****
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 01:00 PM
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4. separated at birth - Novak and Scrooge


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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-03 09:50 AM
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10. U Mean the Crazy Ass Fundamentalist....
FU*ked up in the head sect?

Let me think....

Yes, I'd have to say they do.
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