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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:13 PM
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Fineman: "The war room now is back, staffed with many of the same people"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10118733/site/newsweek/

Bush at the Tipping Point
A hawkish Democrat calls for an Iraq withdrawal, setting off a bitter fight in Washington over how, and when, the troops should come home.

<snip>

It is. The war room now is back, staffed with many of the same people who ran it in 2004, led by the Boy Genius himself, Karl Rove. To answer the charges that Bush "deliberately misled" the country on WMD, the White House is arguing that most Democrats—and most U.N. officials and European intelligence agencies—thought Saddam had WMD, too. Bush aides argue that Democrats saw the same intel and came to the same conclusions Bush did (an assertion Democrats hotly dispute). "We recognized that we can't communicate our message effectively until we deal with this," said a top White House aide.

But it's unclear how calling Democrats hypocrites will help revive Bush's personal reputation. Rather than undermine Bush's foes, the strategy seems unlikely to do more than remind voters of the undeniable fact that the WMD simply weren't there. And to make their case at all, White House strategists have been forced to use a tactic they studiously avoided in the campaign: deploying Bush himself as the attack dog. "Having the president engaged in the argument is not the first choice," says Sen. John Cornyn, a Texan who is close to Bush and Rove. But the president pressed ahead. "While it is perfectly legitimate to criticize my decisions or the conduct of the war," he told a military audience in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., last week, "it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began." Then he resorted once again to the argument all presidents unload in wartime: that criticism undermines morale and emboldens our enemies. "These baseless attacks," he declared, "send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy determined to destroy our way of life." But even using that weapon can be risky at a time when polls show most Americans doubt that the war in Iraq has made us safer.

War-room spinners also hope to highlight whatever good news there is to be found in Iraq, and which, they say, doesn't make its way into the American media. They recently dispatched one of their best operatives, Steve Schmidt (no relation to the Ohio congresswoman), to Baghdad to look for ways generate positive press. His answer: build better relations with the reporters. But they may be preoccupied these days by the need to dodge terrorist attacks on their hotels.

The president himself remains upbeat, saying that he will "settle for nothing less than victory." Democrats such as Sen. John Kerry, meanwhile, have begun offering measured withdrawal plans, and Republicans, such as Sen. Chuck Hagel, are expressing their deep doubts about the policy. The Pentagon has developed elaborate options for phased withdrawals of U.S. forces. Murtha plans to press for a full-scale debate. "Tip O'Neill would be proud of you," a friend wrote to him. At the end of the week Murtha was back in the Pennsylvania corner, only now everyone in Washington knew exactly where he was.




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naturalselection Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:27 PM
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1. The "War Room" may be back
but under a different scope. They were on the offensive the first time, now they need it for defensive purposes.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:31 PM
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2. So since there is no election upcoming it must be a war against America
They establish a "war room" when there is no "war". It must mean they plan to launch a war against Americans, or at least against truth and justice.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:36 PM
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3. last ditch defense of the indefensible

They can't win, they're destined to lose, and they can't get out of the game.

We just have to keep up the fire and that will bleed 'em out.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:38 PM
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I'm looking for an article to debunk "Congress had access to same intel"
thanks
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:42 PM
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7. here's one:

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/politics/13185348.htm

ASSERTION: In his speech, Bush noted that "more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate - who had access to the same intelligence - voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power."

CONTEXT: This isn't true.

The Congress didn't have access to the President's Daily Brief, a top-secret compendium of intelligence on the most pressing national security issues that was sent to the president every morning by former CIA Director George Tenet.

As for prewar intelligence on Iraq, senior administration officials had access to other information and sources that weren't available to lawmakers.

Cheney and his aides visited the CIA and other intelligence agencies to view raw intelligence reports, received briefings and engaged in highly unusual give-and-take sessions with analysts.

Moreover, officials in the White House and the Pentagon received information directly from the Iraqi National Congress (INC), an exile group, circumventing U.S. intelligence agencies, which greatly distrusted the organization.

The INC's information came from Iraqi defectors who claimed that Iraq was hiding chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs, had mobile biological-warfare facilities and was training Islamic radicals in assassinations, bombings and hijackings.

The White House emphasized these claims in making its case for war, even though the defectors had shown fabrication or deception in lie-detector tests or had been rejected as unreliable by U.S. intelligence professionals.


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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:44 PM
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8. thanks
good one
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:46 PM
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9. no prob. KRT did a great job with the article. surprising :-)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:38 PM
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4. Someone let a fart in the war room and they are gasping for air
GAS GAS GAS XXX GAS GAS GAS XXX... Quick somebody get dick's bush a babuska or a mask of some kind! Cover that mug.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:40 PM
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5. WTF is it with the war metaphors
I think they really believe that all this war talk somehow makes them more macho, especially for a bunch of guys who found every excuse possible to avoid going anywhere near a real war.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 01:08 PM
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10. Thucydides and Machiavelli...according to Kristol, these wonderful,
and now perverted, books are the favorite neocons texts on foreign affairs. Thucydides hated the Peloponnesian War, and blamed Pericles for the war, but in Pericles Speeches, so rich and powerful that they have been used for many famous speeches in defense of Democratic Principles, the Pericles 'in speech' is completely different than the Pericles 'in action.' This is so like what B* is doing now, that I gasp at the similarities sometimes, even though it has been years since I read the book. It is a true classic, and I despise the fact that the neocons have made it 'one of their own.'

Likewise, Machiavelli. The neocons have given Machiavelli, a truth teller, a horrible reputation.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:41 PM
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6. They need to quit campaigning and start making like they are
governing.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 01:12 PM
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11. This comment really moved me, like Pitts thread/letter to Murtha...
"Tip O'Neill would be proud of you," a friend wrote to him. At the end of the week Murtha was back in the Pennsylvania corner, only now everyone in Washington knew exactly where he was.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 01:59 PM
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12. Cooked. Cooked intelligence.
America and the Congress were given the Bush administration's cooked intelligence.

Democrats just need to keep repeating the truth that most Americans understand. Call it 'the big Truth' technique.
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