Just received from PDA re: Call for support of Murtha

[understandinglife]

After Rep. Murtha's courgeous stand yesterday, the Republican Leadership is going to hold an 'up or down' vote on Congressman Murtha's Iraq resolution (H J Res 73) today.

PDA has learned that members of the 'Out of Iraq' Caucus are asked to vote 'yes' and stand with Congressman Murtha.

This sudden vote is an attempt by the Republicans to silence the call for an end to the war.

Take one minute and call your Rep. urging them to vote yes on Murtha's bill for immediate withdrawal from Iraq (H.J.Res.73.)

CONGRESSIONAL SWITCHBOARD: 1-800-426-8073 or 1-202-224-3121 if the 800 number is busy.

Thank you for taking action!

Peace.

[fooj]

1. Yes! We MUST GET THE MESSAGE TO OUR REPS!!!

I've already called mine! We must stand behind Murtha!

Take action! Please take a pro-active stand against these rat bastards! For our troops! For our country!

Peace.

[understandinglife]

2. Kick. -- I don't usually do this, but the situation seems to warrant it.

Peace.

[fooj]

3. You bet it does!

Kick!!!!!

[Viking12]

4. I just called my Repuke rep and asked that he vote in favor of withdrawl

Won't get his vote but what the hell!

[understandinglife]

5. Just the thing to do. I want Pelosi to demand a 'binding resolution' ...

... and then Hastert and all these clowns will wish they had just gone home, quietly.


Peace.

[fooj]

6. You never know...

:kick:

[JoZbean]

7. Ed Whitfield won't vote yes either

But I called the asshole anyway. This is one voice that he'll hear, even if he doesn't listen.

[goodhue]

8. Yes!

Show some spine and stand with Murtha.

[fooj]

11. For goodness sakes...isn't this what we've been fighting for?

STAND WITH MURTHA NOW!!!

Peace.

[understandinglife]

9. AOL poll as of 1320 PST -- Do you think it is time to withdraw U.S. troops

Do you think it is time to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq?
Yes 71%
No 29%
Total Votes: 14,631
Note on Poll Results

I think it is safe to say that voting yes on Murtha's resolution will appeal to the majority of Americans ....

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051118073209990006&ncid=NWS00010000000001

Given that this, and every other poll I've seen, indicate that the majority of Americans now know they've been deceived and they want our soldiers out of Iraq.


Peace.

[fooj]

13. Same on MSNBC and CNN!

America wants our troops out of HARMS WAY!

Peace.

[AlwaysDemocrat]

10. Just called my "rep" in Indiana (n/t)

[marylanddem]

12. Just contacted Steny Hoyer - maybe he'll show some guts. nt

[fooj]

14. We need one more vote for Greatest...

This needs to be front and center!

Peace.

[goodhue]

16. Yes, we do.

I'm one of the four, so I can't help.

[goodhue]

22. looks like we got to greatest

[goodhue]

27. .

[caledesi]

15. Just called my rep in Florida. nt

[BurtWorm]

17. Rangel will vote yes.

[marylanddem]

18. Come on Marylanders - Steny's office answered right away

Please call our reps - they need to know where we stand!

[fooj]

20. Yes!!!

:patriot:

[understandinglife]

19. My post at dKos:

Rep Pelosi should demand a binding resolution ... (none / 0)

... and every Dem should vote YES.

These games with people's lives must STOP.

An illegal war is now a civil war. Our troops never should have been forced to fight the illegal war. They certainly have zero reason to be dying in someone else's civil war.

Peace.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/11/18/15464/673/158#158

Peace.

[fooj]

21. This is it, UL! This will separate the men from the boys...

and show this country who the real patriots are!

Peace.

[understandinglife]

33. True. Especially if Murtha and Pelosi use the opportunity to convert ...

... a sick political stunt on a Friday afternoon into an historical event that saves lives.


Peace.

[ourbluenation]

23. Just called my rep - Mike Thompson's office...no answer on how

he will vote but urged yes. Thx for posting this. I got right through...come on District 1 in Nor Cal...CALL!

[understandinglife]

24. Raw Story reports:

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/GOP_pulls_tax_bill_and_calls_1118.html

Here is what the Republicans did:
http://rawstory.com/other/pdfs/GOPpulloutrawstory.pdf

Murtha must put forward and Amendment with his exact language.

Pelosi must demand that the resolution be binding.

Make it stick now and really support our troops by using a sound logistical plan, as Murtha proposed, to extract them from the IRAQI CIVIL WAR.


Peace.

[understandinglife]

26. Here is Murtha's resolution so you can compare to the silly Repub one:

Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to "promote the emergence of a democratic government";

Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U, S. military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;

Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;

Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom;

Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency,

Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want U.S. forces out of Iraq;

Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;

Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;

Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That:

Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable date.

Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S Marines shall be deployed in the region.

Section 3 The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq through diplomacy.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/163220/03

Amend the goper version, make binding, vote Yes -- support the troops and get them out of the IRAQI CIVIL WAR.


Peace.

[Catrina]

25. I just called my representative, Tim Bishop

He's one of the good guys, a Dem from LI. I did tell the aide to ask him to support Murtha. He told me that the vote is not about Murtha's plan that there are no details in what they are voting on and it's just an attempt by the Republicans to get Dems on the record without any plan.

So, I asked him if it would be better than for all the Dems to abstain from voting and demand a 'Plan' a strategy from the Bush administration which they would then be willing to vote on.

He said 'that's a thought' ~ and he would convey it to Rep. Bishop.

I'm not sure it's a good idea to vote 'yes' on a no plan piece of political game playing!! I got the feeling that the Dems know they are being 'forced' (that was the word he used) into this vote. That's never a good thing, to play their games.

The Dems could make a mockery of this by refusing to play games with the troops lives and forcing the Republicans to have to present a Bush plan for a vote. That would make them look REALLY bad, wouldn't it? What could they say then? The Dems want a plan??

[understandinglife]

28. That's why I want Rep Pelosi and Murtha to seize this moment ...

... propose an Amendment that contains Murtha's original language, make it a binding resolution and then vote yes. Rather than walking away from what could be the single most important opportunity we've had since March 19, 2003 to start truly supporting our troops by extracting them, in a logistically secure manner, from the IRAQI CIVIL WAR.


Peace.

[IndyOp]

29. TOLL FREE to Congress: 1-877-SOB-U-SOB

I always get through!

:kick:

[understandinglife]

30. MSNBC: Murtha’s outburst on Iraq has shown it is time to stop deluding

... ourselves.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10099807/site/newsweek


Peace.

[goodhue]

31. kick

Vote Yes!

[goodhue]

34. .

[satya]

32. Procedural question here.

I thought I heard someone (maybe McGovern) say that no amendments to the GOP version would be allowed. If this is the case, can the Dems bring the Murtha resolution to the floor? Or is the GOP calling the shots here?

(wish I hadn't slept thru my h.s. civics class, but that was many years ago, anyway. Time for a refresher)

[understandinglife]

35. Well, McGovern is on the Rules Committee, so he should certainly ...

... be in a position to know procedurally if the Repubs can block motions to Amend. I hope that Pelosi, McGovern, Murtha and other senior Dems out-smart the Repubs and force an Amendment for vote (including making the Resolution binding).

Otherwise, I think every Dem should vote YES and send a crystal clear message that having our soldiers die in the IRAQI CIVIL WAR is non-negotiable and over.


Peace.

[veness]

36. [PDA] URGENT UPDATE - IRAQ BILL A FRAUD!

Just received from Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) - UPDATE!


After Rep. Murtha's courgeous stand yesterday, the Republican Leadership is going to hold an 'up or down' vote on Congressman Murtha's Iraq resolution (H J Res 73) today.

HOWEVER: PDA has learned that Republican members of Congress have put forward a reworded bill. THIS IS A STUNT. The bill is NOT the original BILL.

Many members of Congress including PDA were surprised and caught off guard.

This sudden vote is an attempt by the Republicans to silence the call for an end to the war.

Take one minute and call your Rep. urging them to vote NO on Murtha's bill for immediate withdrawal from Iraq (H.J.Res.73.)

CONGRESSIONAL SWITCHBOARD: 1-800-426-8073 or 1-202-224-3121 if the 800 number is busy.

Thank you for taking action!

Progressive Democrats of America
www.pdamerica.org

[understandinglife]

38. I know -- that is why I've been calling Pelosi and others because ...

.... not only is it a fraud but it is being portrayed by the New York Times and others are mis-representing what is happening, to wit:

"The G.O.P. planned to call the Democrats' bluff today in a vote that will likely reveal splits within Democratic ranks on Iraq."
quote from the NYT homepage - www.nytimes.com with a link to this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Congress-Iraq.html?hp&ex=1132376400&en=03e68b6e7b0cc9cf&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Related thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5396606


Peace.

[AntiFascist]

50. ok

but you better tell PDA what the plan is cause their messages are REALLY confusing people.

[Mass]

41. News for PDA - This is NOT the Murtha's Bill This is the Hunter's bill.

[understandinglife]

44. See # 38, please.

Peace.

[Mass]

48. I know, but the lastest email still refers to voting NO to the Murtha bill

[understandinglife]

49. Correct. And, I'm urging folk to attempt a floor fight on forcing an ...

... Amendment.

Thank you.


Peace.

[Hobarticus]

37. HEADS UP!!! This is NOT the Murtha bill!

GOP's pulling a fast one, again!

[understandinglife]

39. See # 38.

Peace.

[NYC Liberal]

40. THIS IS **NOT** MURTHA'S PLAN!!!! IT IS A GOP FAKE RES. AND A TRICK!!

[understandinglife]

46. I know -- see # 38, please.

Peace.

[NYC Liberal]

47. OK, I didn't see it. Sorry!

:hi:

[wryter2000]

42. Barbara Lee will do the right thing

She's the only member of Congress who voted against invading Afghanistan.

[AntiFascist]

43. Just a moment.....just a moment...........

Haven't you seen their LATEST email?


Take one minute and call your Rep. urging them to vote NO on Murtha's bill for immediate withdrawal from Iraq (H.J.Res.73.)

CONGRESSIONAL SWITCHBOARD: 1-800-426-8073 or 1-202-224-3121 if the 800 number is busy.

Thank you for taking action!

[understandinglife]

45. I know -- See # 38, please.

Peace.