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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:12 PM
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HOLY SHIT - are you watching CNN??? (Kim Jong Il, North Korea)
Anderson Cooper is showing video smuggled out of North Korea which shows people being shot dead for helping North Koreans escape over the border to China. Many North Koreans risked their lives to smuggle this footage out of the DPRK and into the United States.

Wow.
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marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:15 PM
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1. He is killing his own people, we must invade!
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 10:27 PM by marbuc
Oh, sorry, that standard only applied to Saddam.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:17 PM
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6. No oil, no invasion.
That's in the GOP bylaws :eyes:
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 07:05 PM
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36. Ya see , he has Nuclear capabilities already
so we leave that shit alone. Had those savages and tribal leaders really had WMD or nuclear capabilities we wouldn't respect them.

Sad but I almost thing N.Korea was correct, in order to be taken seriously and not being taken advantage of (cough Sudan) you must have some leverage.
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:15 PM
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2. Now this is guy
we should have went after. He does have WMD and nuclear power.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:17 PM
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4. And he would use it
Then where would we be?
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:18 PM
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9. Didn't you get the memo...
we don't go after people who actually are threats to our national security, only pseudo threats we know we can beat...oh, and it helps if they have a shitload of oil so Halliburton can get rich too.
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:25 PM
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14. Oh I am sorry I must have lost my head.
:sarcasm:
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:33 AM
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24. Kiss the Western US goodbye then......
...I wouldn't take on anyone with nukes, but especially him.

And we should have gone after Saudi Arabia.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:28 PM
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32. And he would have used them on us. Probably why we leave him
alone.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:30 PM
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33. There'd be 30,000 dead US troops already
And the Chinese don't exactly want an American occupied protectorate on their border.

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:16 PM
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3. It was heartbreaking.
And you can tell by the expression on Anderson's face that he was disgusted with it. And the clip with the woman dead in the street and passbyers look on....:(

Should we invade North Korea Bush?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 07:02 PM
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34. They don't
want freedom and democracy! They're Communist dontcha know. :sarcasm:

It is so sad. :(
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Seansky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:17 PM
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5. It is hard not to be suspicious anymore of what MSM does...I just can't
stop wondering how the tape actually made it out...Sorry for the doubts about this, but I just no longer trust anything MSM does get its info..unless it has been totally disected.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:21 PM
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11. Yeah, you're right.
Is this the start of snippets of the evils of North Korea to draw us into a war?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:23 PM
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12. I'm with you....
Nothing can be taken at face value. Photographs of Saddam's statue coming down, the same picture of a weapons manufacturing building being used as 'proof' in various countries...it goes on and on. Someones agenda is always being worked. That said, atrocities and human suffering know no boundaries. Maybe a country with some 'moral authority' could check them out.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:37 AM
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27. Funny how snippets of the ongoing genocide in Sudan
never seem to make it to the US.

Let's keep our eyes on the prize... :eyes:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:17 PM
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7. Proof that Bush's speech was a failure! n/t
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:18 PM
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8. Invade? They have no oil
Horrible, my god.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:26 PM
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16. And they are not what you should consider 'push overs.' nt
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:39 PM
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28. I never considered N. Korea as a push over. They actually have WMD
and would use them. Dad was a Korean war Vet. And would tell me stories about how fearce these people were. People are like that when defending their homeland.

A lesson B*co should have learned.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:20 PM
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10. You know, when I talked to a RW talk-radio host in Dallas...
...shortly after Bush delivered his "major combat operations have ended" speech, he asked me why I thought it was a bad idea to go after Saddam, since he tortured his own people and supposedly had WMDs.

I told the RWer that "I can give you my answer in three short words - Kim Jong Il."

I stand by that statement today.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:23 PM
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13. What a coincidence huh?
Maybe the radio host saw this tonight.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:27 PM
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17. This is the prelude to the visit to
Asia next week. It could be real but it could have been made in a studio 'Wag the Doggie' style!
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CAG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:51 PM
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19. We are painted as "unpatriotic" for complaining about the invasion
of Iraq.

I think we should point out all of the "Kim Jung Ils" of the world (I imagine that we could come up with a decent list of 5 to 10), and scream to the repubs how unpatriotic they are for not supporting full-fledged invasions of each of these countries. We could certainly come up with better excuses than the administration made for Iraq.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 07:04 PM
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35. Of course
But they'd find some reason to say something different about him and say Saddam was worse.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:26 PM
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15. I thought it was New Orleans after Katrina for a moment
Then I realized that CNN wouldn't dare show pictures of bodies of Americans laying in the streets so I knew it was someplace else.

I think we should invade North Korea, or New Orleans, or somewhere immediately and put a stop to it.

Or better yet lets just send a bunch of food.

Don
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:29 PM
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18. Let's compare - Saddam vs Kim Jong Il
1) Saddam, no WMD, and no threat to even his neighbors according to both Colin Powell & Condi Rice in separate speechs in mid 2001. What happens to Saddam? He gets invaded & overthrown.

2) Kim Jong Il, has WMD & is a threat to destabilize the whole region. He starts rattling his saber over his WMD and what do we do? The Bush White House announces we'll be withdrawing our troops from South Korea soon... something North Korea has wanted for 50 years, but something that Ike, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr & Clinton didn't do.

What sort of message are we sending to the world?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 11:06 PM
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20. Sounds like more of the same propaganda the NeoCons have been....
...producing about every country they intend to invade.

I wonder what kind of propaganda could be produced from film from the after-effects of Katrina, Rita, and Wilma? Here we are, the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world, and we can't even take care of our own.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:07 AM
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21. It is healthy to be skeptical.
I didn't see the clip, but I have my doubts about convenient media reports now.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:22 AM
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22. Man has whisky, we're going in!
*hick
Tarrisht lil' *hick*
'mericun people wont *hick*
Dick...*hick* Aw hell, I'm goin' on vacation.

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:28 AM
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23. They will shower our troops with rose petals and dance in the streets
We must liberate them immediately.

Don
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:34 AM
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25. Bush visit to China next week have me worry...
Something to do with our Debts (I know, China has not been happy that our bond is not worth much and Bush wants to sell more of our country) or it have something to do with North Korea and Tawian (China also been unhappy about this too). This is just guess
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kywildcat Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:13 PM
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30. I agree, has me worried
too.I think though that what's on the table between the two is taiwan, iran and north korea.
We would be in Iran now if it weren't so close to China. And China would be in Taiwan now if the US weren't so verbose about it.
Then there's North Korea. China wants to handle North Korea (and in fact North Korea is much more of a threat to China than to us). China isn't so sure that they want the US directly in their back yard (south korea). North Korea gives a nice buffer between the two.
I think we're going to see major action in Iran and Taiwan. And North Korea remaining as is...possibly with China letting the world know that they will handle this errant little gnat.
imo
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:36 AM
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26. In other news, Babe Ruth is still dead
This guy has always been nuts. I'm surprised he isn't doing more than shooting people.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:06 PM
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29. Now that's funny!
:rofl:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:23 PM
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31. For neocons Korea is a No-Go.
David Frum said it-it's the most important part of the world today.

you weren't expecting consistency, were you?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 07:07 PM
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37. Oh of course
When it comes to real threats they can't do shit but when it comes to little countries that just have a mean dictator they get all tough and macho but run away like babies when it comes to real threats such as Kim. It's really sad and makes me feel so unsafe with them running this country.
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