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BoomerSoonerOKU Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:28 PM
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Brown's Alito letter lifted from blogger
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/ba...

"Rep. Sherrod Brown wrote to Sen. Mike DeWine last Friday, voicing concern about Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito's labor record.

Brown's language was crisp -- and was plagiarized. " <snip>

"Roughly 90 percent of what Brown, an Avon Democrat, wrote in his letter was lifted from an Internet posting by a blogger, as Brown's office acknowledged Monday when The Plain Dealer presented the similarities.

Brown had not credited the blogger, Nathan Newman of NathanNewman.org, or any other source."

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I'm really disappointed with this. First off, how hard is it to come up with your own reasons for suspecting Alito's qualifications? It also shows how freely people will use content of the net.

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  - Opinion and style can be plagiarized, not facts.  BlueEyedSon   Nov-08-05 12:30 PM   #1 
  - Agreed  BoomerSoonerOKU   Nov-08-05 12:35 PM   #3 
  - Reasons are reasons, that he admired someone  mmcghenn   Nov-08-05 12:34 PM   #2 
  - Its an incredibly stupid mistake  OzarkDem   Nov-08-05 12:51 PM   #9 
  - See Daily Kos on this  ajacobson   Nov-08-05 12:37 PM   #4 
  - Glad you pointed that out  scarlett1   Nov-08-05 12:40 PM   #6 
  - Thanks  BoomerSoonerOKU   Nov-08-05 12:43 PM   #7 
  - The words of the orioginal blogger say all I need to know...  Rowdyboy   Nov-08-05 12:38 PM   #5 
  - Parsing  OzarkDem   Nov-08-05 12:53 PM   #10 
  - This is a dumb fucking move, and I'll tell you why:  tasteblind   Nov-08-05 12:46 PM   #8 
  - So sorry BoomerSoonerOKU  seemslikeadream   Nov-08-05 05:05 PM   #11 
 
BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:30 PM
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1. Opinion and style can be plagiarized, not facts.
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BoomerSoonerOKU Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:35 PM
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3. Agreed
I think this just shows how lazy poltician's staff members can be. Once you have the facts it's not hard to write something up yourself.
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aintitfunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:34 PM
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2. Reasons are reasons, that he admired someone
else's style in expressing said reasons, should be a complement. Who gives a flying fig. This was a letter, not an article or op ed for the NY Times, he was not submitting something for a grade or to make money for Christ's sake.

More non-issues exaggerated because the Right has nothing going for it. Pitiful.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:51 PM
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9. Its an incredibly stupid mistake
Sherrod has a lot of new staffers, his older, more experienced ones never would have done something so ignorant.

Here's hoping he cleans house and dumps his labor advisers before they destroy the good reputation for hard work and honesty he's worked years to cultivate.
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ajacobson Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:37 PM
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4. See Daily Kos on this
This is an attack piece masquerading as a news item.
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scarlett1 Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:40 PM
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6. Glad you pointed that out
I was at Kos earlier and read about this incident already.
Nathan wasn't upset.
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BoomerSoonerOKU Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:43 PM
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7. Thanks
I hadn't checked it out there yet. Good info.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:38 PM
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5. The words of the orioginal blogger say all I need to know...
As Nathan notes, "Did the Plain Dealer do an indepth analysis of Alito's labor record in response? No, they created a bullshit meta-story that was of such supposed breaking news value that they couldn't wait for me to get back from my mini-honeymoon to get my reaction."

For the record, the copyright notice at the bottom of this page basically gives permission to Brown and anyone else to use whatever they want from the site: "Site content may be used for any purpose without explicit permission unless otherwise specified." Note that I don't use a license that requires attribution nor any other type of citation. As long as diarists don't assert ownership of their content, it's public domain.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:53 PM
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10. Parsing
Its still a stupid mistake, one I've never, ever seen Sherrod make before. It looks incredibly bad for a respected Congressman to plagiarize a letter. I hope Sherrod fires whoever did this.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:46 PM
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8. This is a dumb fucking move, and I'll tell you why:
You'd think that you would write this kind of letter yourself, especially when writing to the Senator you are running to unseat!!!

It speaks incredibly poorly of his judgment. You shouldn't have an aide writing this stuff, and you shouldn't be cribbing it from the Internet. That's just fucking stupid, I'm sorry.

The permission/plagiarism issue is secondary to the fact that Brown looks like an idiot for not just writing his own letter. It's not like it's a campaign letter auto-response.

It's a letter to the guy he's running against!!!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 05:05 PM
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11. So sorry BoomerSoonerOKU
Congressman's office takes back plagiarism acknowledgment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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