Is it just most of DU that's wrong, or what? Wtf?

[sepia_steel]

edit: this is from Gallup

[quiet.american]

1. Either way, somebody's got a lot of work to do. n/t

[MsKandice01]

2. No...we aren't wrong..

I think we're more informed than your average Democrat. The majority of people in this country have no idea what Hillary Clinton stands for or what she believes. They just know her as Bill Clinton's wife. Name recognition goes a long way. Just look at Dubya.

[sepia_steel]

17. I agree.

Just kinda surprises me.

[Redneck Socialist]

27. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winnah!

Spot on. Unfortunately DU isn't representative of the mass of rank and file Democrats.

At this point everyone has heard of Hilary, so it is no surprise that she polls way out in front. I'd be curious to see a poll that pits Hilary up against a generic "other Democrat" and see how well she polls then.

[donheld]

49. We're not wrong, just paying attention

nt

[NoSheep]

54. That's a very good point. Most don't know. I have a really hard time with

folks who think she is a good choice. But if they are the ones who are voting in the majority, I'd rather have Hillary than Jeb. ;)

[TahitiNut]

60. Agreed. Two words: Name Recognition.

:shrug:

[KoKo]

70. Agree...."Sheeple America" doesn't want to do work...Goes with Clinton...

as "TahitiNut" says: Name Recognition.

America now becomes a DYNASTY WITH KINGS AND QUEENS WHO RULE.

BUT...THEY KILLED THE KENNEDY's. BEWARE!!!!!! WHY DID THEY KILL THE KENNEDY's and yet "others" are allowed to rule forever going back and forth..back and forth.

[pretzel4gore]

61. right. how many bush voters thought he was the old man?

If there's anything annoying about modern culture, it's the hide in plain sight aspects of so much of what goes on. Media simply ignore facts that disrupt the smooth trransmission of bushit, such as the fact 2 bushes were running 2 american states during years just before the 2k election, yet the news media never did any widely seen reports about the bush family, its history and connections etc, while spending lotsa time on any democratic contenders, with the real spotlight put on al gore when he became the candidate. what's even more disgusting is the way the news media plays down its impact on politics, and who controls it etc.....no wonder most people feel somewhat ill served by news media, even freepers: the damn thing just doesn't work! and it cost a fortune to arrange the malfunctioning! and it's a pissoff ...they act as if they (the newsmedia) is victims too, when they are out and out criminals

[bmbmd]

72. Hillary and Bill

represent the good ol' days to the rank and file voter. You would expect her toget a lot of support early on.

[ken_g]

3. What is this from? eom

[DanCa]

6. I agree Clark scores fairly high on du these days.

And he's only listed at five percent.

[ixion]

13. I wouldn't go that far...Clark said this morning that we must finish the

'job' in Iraq, which doesn't play well with those of us who never thought the 'job' was such a hot idea in the first place.

[DanCa]

23. Can I please have a link to this?

I am not questioning you, I haven't been watching tv all day and if this is true am going to have to strongly reconsider my alliegance. Thanks.

[ixion]

29. here ya go...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2229391

[DanCa]

67. Thank you :D

I need time to evalute the thread to make my final decision.

[EuroObserver]

53. Well, as long as the active verb is 'finish'

... of course you want preferably to do that properly, that is to say in due order (rather than in a state of total rout).

[sepia_steel]

14. Sorry, from Gallup.

I know they aren't the greatest, but I'm surprised at how the majority of voters don't seem to know wtf is going on. They seem to know names only.

[tatertop]

4. Maybe she could keep the title of War President

[ArkDem]

5. We be the radical fringe.....

[tx_dem41]

10. I've always considered you one of the "radicalest", ArkDem...

or is that "fringiest"? ;)

[ArkDem]

15. Maybe it's radicaless....

[tx_dem41]

24. Yeah...now that I think about it...you're right!

:)

[ArkDem]

83. ...

:toast:

[Lex]

7. I remember when Joseph Liberman was the front-runner for the Dems

for the 2004 election because of his running for VP with Gore in 2000.

It's just too far ahead of time to predict ANYthing at this point.

I still say it will be John Edwards.

[tx_dem41]

8. We, as a group, don't represent the average Democratic voter.

It doesn't mean we are right or wrong.

[sepia_steel]

22. I didn't mean it literally.

I mean I'm surprised by the amount of average joes who choes her over anyone else. I didn't realize until I saw this just how different DU Dems are.

[tx_dem41]

26. Remember one thing...3 years out, it is still greatly swayed by...

name recognition.

[sepia_steel]

28. I agree, i said that earlier up.

I just didn't realize it was this bad.

[tx_dem41]

32. Imagine how I feel....my guy has 2%! n/t

[ClusterFreak]

9. I don't get the Hillary thing.

Is it that she has the 'aura' of a winner or something? Cuz she was First Lady for 8 years?? Beyond that, Hillary is a compromise candidate...too much of a compromise. But it seems that pundits on both sides of the spectrum think she's a threat. I'm still scratching my head.:shrug:

[Lex]

11. Totally just name recognition.

That's all, imho.

[MrMonk]

19. Because there's a TV show with a woman President.

and Hilary's is the only name that they know.

[Daphne08]

68. I don't get it either. n/t

[leftchick]

12. Is this a DLC poll?

That would be one explanation.

[Lex]

16. Can anyone find any polls from August 2001 for the 2004 Election?

That would put this into perspective, I think.

[TheFarseer]

18. Hopefully

only informed and motivated types like DUers will vote in the primary and get a better candidate nominated.

[Catherine Vincent]

20. Name recognition.

[mtnsnake]

21. See, everyone, I've been trying to tell ya

You vastly underestimate Hillary and the appeal she has, but don't blame me! :smoke:

[meganmonkey]

25. To be honest, I think those choices suck

:shrug:

Our choices suck :cry:

[tatertop]

30. Thank you for saying that

I agree

[AZBlue]

31. "most of DU" is against Hillary as a possible Dem nominee? Says who?

There are some very vocal members who are against her, but I'd like to see some facts backing up the statement that "most" are against her.

[sepia_steel]

33. It's just a guess.

I"ve seen FAR more 'I don't want Hillary' threads and posts than 'We love Hillary'. I'm only going by that. A poll might help...

[karlrschneider]

40. Well, I will put up a poll and we'll see!

;-)

Edit: Link to poll:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5291864

[sepia_steel]

44. Thanks!!

go poll go

[AZBlue]

51. Good idea...but....we'll have to keep it kicked up for it to be accurate..

...sorry...I'm a marketing research geek, so I worry about those kinds of things.

[sepia_steel]

58. Nothing to be sorry about :) nt

[Warren DeMontague]

80. Would you agree that most of DU is against the Iraq War?

...I'll let you connect the dots from here.

[beyurslf]

34. Looks good to me, but I would say it just name recognition.

[MessiahRp]

35. I don't see Russ Feingold in there...

And to me he's going to be a bigger contender than over half of that list.

Look, Hillary has been crammed down America's throats by the rest of the media since before the 2004 race as the "eventual nominee", so it's no mistake that most Americans believe her to be the strongest choice based on name recognition alone. She also had 8 years of spotlight in the White House...

I don't want her to win because she's trying to position herself on the right. I don't like that we have to have a Southerner no matter what either because I think that's a double standard. We vote for Southern candidates but they won't vote for perfectly qualified Northerners.

And of the Southerners I'm not exactly jazzed about Warner or Edwards, whom I think didn't really help Kerry's ticket that much last year.

And Evan Bayh, ugh... He spoke here in June at our State Dem Convention. Besides being blah, do we really have to have a Dino running on our ticket?

Maybe it's me but I am settled on hoping that it's Feingold, Kerry or Clark.

Rp

[Douglas Carpenter]

74. I think you may be on to something with Feingold

I'm personally neutral and have mixed feeling about Feingold. Frankly, I tend to think Al Gore would make the strongest candidate if he were to run.

But, if Al Gore does not run, I'm making a guess that Feingold may become a serious contender if he enters the race. He might fill the niche for the progressives and anti-war Democrats stronger than any others.

[kweerwolf]

36. I'd like to know who the respondents were

Was Gallup only talking to Democrats? Or was it a more general poll?

If the question was asked of all respondents (and not just those who identify as Democrats) I think that would skew the results significantly. The Repugnantcans would just love for Hillary to be the nominee ... so if they got to pick the Democratic nominee, chances are they'd pick Hillary because they figure they could beat her.

I remember a poll here on DU about GOP nominees in the past few days that (at least when I saw it) showed Alan Keyes had a tremendouse lead. I'm assuming most DUers picked him because they figured we could beat him with anyone we'd want to run against him.

[sepia_steel]

37. It was registered voters, Democrat or Democrat leaning.

they did a seperate one for GOP candidates with registered Repubs in the same way.

[kweerwolf]

45. Ah .. OK. Thanks. That's clears it up for me.

[TexasRob]

38. Lets counter Condi

And nominate Barack Obama.

[newyawker99]

41. Hi TexasRob!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[TexasRob]

65. Hi back at ya

Thanks for the welcome

[G_j]

39. "wrong" ?

according to who?

[sepia_steel]

43. Read the rest of the thread.

There is way too much defensiveness going on around here lately.

[Sapphire Blue]

42. People responded to the limited choices presented to them in this poll

These may be some of the candidates in '08, but let's hope we have a much wider selection.

My personal choices (in alphabetical order) would be Boxer, Conyers, Jackson Lee, Jones, Kucinich, Lee, McKinney, Waters, Waxman... and possibly Harry Reid. I think Reid has the potential to reach out across America, and America is now listening to what he's saying... and he is saying it so well.

[sepia_steel]

46. I'd give anything for Conyers.

And I like pretty much everyone on yor list, too!

Decisions, decisions...

[Crunchy Frog]

47. I strongly predict

that if Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, we will be looking at another Democratic loss in '08, and I doubt that they would even have to steal it this time.

We will see how my prediction stands up when the time comes.

[sepia_steel]

48. I just hope she doesn't get that far. eom

[Sapphire Blue]

50. I wouldn't go that far in dismissing Hillary's chances.

With all the (Bill) Clinton bashing during & after his presidency, he was & still is highly admired, respected & popular... which could reflect well on Hillary's chances.

Though I personally don't want her to be the nominee, I would vote for her over any repub.

[sepia_steel]

56. So would I.

I just don't want to.

[Crunchy Frog]

57. I'm just making my prediction. There's no point in me trying to argue

it. If she gets the nomination, then my prediction will either end up being right or being wrong and we will only know the day after the election.

I hope I won't be on here in 3 years saying "I told you so". Maybe I ought to bookmark this post just in case.

[Sapphire Blue]

62. My predictions... a year from now we will have a Democratic Congress...

... and three years from now we will have a Democratic president-elect... whoever he or she is.

Then I can say "I told you so" as we celebrate. :toast:

[sepia_steel]

63. And I'll be joining you!

:toast:

[NNN0LHI]

52. 36 countries have had a woman as their leader. Why haven't we? n/t

[sepia_steel]

59. The Macho Machine won't have it.

That, and a lot of us would rather have a 'better' candidate than vote for an 'okay' one just because she's female.

Boxer would have my vote, easy. But will she be given a chance?

[MessiahRp]

76. I'd vote for Boxer in a heartbeat

Not sure that she'd be interested in the job though.

Rp

[Lena inRI]

66. Boxer certainly, Hillary NOT. . .

and while I'm at this "opining" on winnable ticket for 2008, I say:

---Hillary/ anyone 2008 is status quo, really projects 4 more years of Bill. . .when what we'll need by 2008 is far more progressive leadership than HillyBill moderates.

---CLARK/BOXER or REID 2008 electrifies me because they're

new blood and persevering progressives

:kick:

[Justice Is Comin]

55. Uughh.

[marions ghost]

64. I would not trust this poll

you just have to be suspicious of how much the Right wants Hillary to run. I think she'd be masochistic to do it.

Tho I think a woman could certainly handle the presidency, I don't think the country would elect Hillary. Strong women are still viewed negatively. She'd never get the male vote and a lot of the female vote would go against her. I don't see even it as debatable, really. A woman would only be elected in more stable times.

[Arkana]

69. It's the case of name recognition.

Let someone else get their foot in the door. We've got 3 years.

[undeterred]

71. Where's Feingold and who the hell is Mark Wamer?

:hi:

And name one person that would actually vote for Joe Biden. :rofl:

[Arkana]

84. Mark Warner is VA's current governor

and I did hear he's considering a run for Preznit.

[BamaGirl]

73. I think we're political junkies here

whereas a lot of self described Democrats aren't. A more interesting poll would be HRC vs. any Democrat, or even better HRC vs. any Republican.

[question everything]

75. Name recogntion. In 2003 Joe Lieberman was leading in a similar way (nt)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

77. I remind the HIllary claque that in 2003,

polls like this named Joe Lieberman as the Democratic front runner.

Name recognition, pure and simple. Note that the hypothetical candidates are listed in approximate order of name recognition.

Note also, that they don't mention Russ Feingold or Dennis Kucinich or any of the other more left-leaning Dems, just a bunch of DLCers.

[Garbo 2004]

78. The first person I saw/heard talking up a Hillary run was Dick Morris

years ago on Fox. It's been a Republican wet dream for years.

[Warren DeMontague]

79. How about they add Al Gore to that list.

Then see what happens.

[Swamp Rat]

81. So, Gallup polled a bunch of republicans?

:D

[LittleClarkie]

82. Nah, we're not wrong. We're just not exactly representative

That is probably, most of all, a name recognition poll. Your average shmoe has heard of Hillary, and the last two candidates for office, which am Kerry and Edwards. Hence, the result you see here.

We are also more informed here than the norm (wonky bastards, one and all, God love ye). And we are likely more to the left than the norm.

We are somewhat Clarkie heavy for some reason. Go figure. Like the Olympics, I tend to shave off the high and low folks, and look at the middle of our polls. I grant you that is self-serving, as Kerry tends to be just below Clark. Hoody hoo.

Eh, we shall see. As even a Republican friend of mine commented, and he was right, the last thing you wanna be right now is the frontrunner. It's dogpile on the rabbit time then. Not only is the Right Wing after you, your fellow possible candidates are also gunning for you, though I suspect that's more true after the midterm than it is right now.

Even so, if Hillary is percieved as the frontrunner after 2006, look out, dearie.

My only consolation is, as that same Republican friend also said, this time they will be going through the same shit at the same time. On both sides it's going to be a bloodbath and a free-for-all. All bets are off until we see who comes out of the Thunderdome on either side. Several candidates enter, one candidate leaves.

Should be interesting. Ugly, but interesting.

[mattclearing]

85. That reads like a name recognition poll, unsurprisingly.

The campaign hasn't started yet. People have nothing to base their preferences on, and no one has even announced, to my knowledge.

It means nothing.