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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:47 PM
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There is no Fitzmas...
This is making me ill. I don't like the tone of Fitzgerald's discussion. He practically said there will be no more indictments. he said the grand jury is over. He wants this to be completely done soon.

Won't even say if Plame was under cover or not. Even referred to Plame having possibly sent Wilson.

This smells like a whitewash. Someone had to take a hit and it was libby. I think this might be all we get, and the trial might be a vindication.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:50 PM
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1. You're living in a parallel universe.

GJ's don't stay in session when there is nothing further to invetigate, and yes, indict.

Moreover, you seem to have missed the part about the investigation continuing into another full Grand Jury.

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:50 PM
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2. Really?
>. He practically said there will be no more indictments.

Where did he say that? The BBC website collapsed into a singularity halfway through the news conference, so I only heard the first few questions.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:51 PM
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3. He said FLAT-OUT that she was undercover
right at the beginning of the press conference.

What show are you watching? :crazy:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:52 PM
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5. It doesn't matter. They can't prove that anyone intentionally sought
to out her.

Now he said that.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:56 PM
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12. What doesn't matter?

The only thing that "intent" matters is to conspiracy charges.

If Official X accidentally got drunk and told his hooker, he'd still go to jail for it.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:05 PM
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30. Exactly
He said it very clear that she was covert and the investigation was going on with a new grand jury. Whatever the hell you were watching isn't what I was watching.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:51 PM
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4. What are you talking about???
In the press conference the first words out of his mouth was that she was covert, and why. He explained it in great detail, and he explained why it was bad for national security. --Those were the first words out of his mouth!
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:53 PM
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6. You must be watching Fox.
hee hee
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:01 PM
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18. I'm watching the press conference on CNN
what are you watching?

he said, "no one wants this to be over sooner than me. I want to wake up in my bed in Chicago soon."
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:54 PM
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7. baba uptin wanna hily poopoo?
WHAT????????
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:54 PM
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8. Oh, please.
He said that he can't say anything about those who aren't currently indicted.
There's no way to know.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:55 PM
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9. Investigation to continue with new grand jury - Fitzgerald spokesman
http://www.wtkr.com/global/story.asp?s=4042769&ClientType=Printable

He did say Plame was covert, it's also mentioned in the indictment.



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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:55 PM
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10. You must be watching the wrong press conference.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:56 PM
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11. No he did say that the investigation continues
but he cannot comment, no comment, does not equal no more indictments

This is the begining
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:56 PM
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13. Fitzmas - most childish term ever used on DU
We have descended into infancy here thinking we are getting presents from a Special Council. What a bunch of babies.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:01 PM
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17. The baby's are the ones going Waaah! Waaah! right now
To you I say "MERRY FITZMAS!!!!!!"

:party:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:02 PM
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20. I hate that term - makes the user look like a baby
Googoo - did you lose your pacifier yet?
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:06 PM
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36. Geez, lighten up!
I wasn't referring to you as a waah-waah-er, rather the people who are disappointed with the news today.

But if you want to be grumpy ata me, go right ahead. I won't take it personally, because it is your problem, not mine. I feel GREAT!

:party:
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Larissa238 Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:04 PM
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24. Merry Fitzmas to you, too
:D
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:04 PM
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26. pass the egg nog please
:party::toast:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:03 PM
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22. and a neck pinch right back atcha.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:03 PM
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23. Fitzmas! Fitzmas! Fitzmas!
Goo!
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:05 PM
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28. Baby baby baby!
Hehe - where's Aretha Franklin when you need her?
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:09 PM
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40. Hehe. ;) Okay, then: Happy Fitzanukkah! n/t
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 02:12 PM by Ladyhawk
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:04 PM
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25. I don't think that is why DUers use it.
I get the impression that there was great hope in this investigation that perhaps there would be some relief from the BFEE. And, if there was, that people would be gleeful, like Christmas when you are a child.

I don't think people use it as though we expect a gift from the Special Prosecutor. At least, that is not my interpretation.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:06 PM
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32. Certainly wasn't mine.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:06 PM
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34. I couldn't hate the term any more - makes all of us at DU look childish
Does this term seem like an appropriate response to treason and the destruction of American law and honor?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:09 PM
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39. Of course not, and neither do DUers.
My point is that this has been a very dark five years, and I think people are expressing a little bit of glee that perhaps there will be some respite from the continued corruption of the BFEE.

And, the fact that Fitz rhymes with Chris doesn't hurt.

I think if you check other boards, most liberals and progressives are using the term, with delight, and for the right reason...that perhaps there is someone brave enough to confront these bastards.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:11 PM
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44. Yeah, I'm sure all of our Jewish and Muslim and Buddhist and Hindu
friend really enjoy this Christmas present term. It's so stupid - I can't begin to tell you how stupid it will sound when people look back and see how childish they were in such a serious situation.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:05 PM
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31. I think you're the one who needs to grow up
And buy yourself a sense of humor. For christ's sake, it's just good fun.

You're probably the jerk that thumbs his nose at kids dressing up on Halloween too.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:08 PM
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38. Treason and the fall of our governemt is funny.
Maybe in the lounge where people are trying to escape reality. IT is the stupidest thing I've ever experienced at DU and makes me wonder why 66% of people here would keep shoving this into the 33% of serious people here who are insulted by it and it makes us extremely angry.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:11 PM
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43. If you get 'extremely angry' about it, you really need to think
about the possibility that the problem lies within you

:shrug:

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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:59 PM
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14. He is being thorough
Patrick Fitzgerald is proceeding exactly as he should. This is all not over yet. This guy is a real pro.

Anything legal can take a lot of time. Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, et al are not in the clear.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:59 PM
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15. there never was . . .WTF . . ARE YOU REAL?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:01 PM
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19. You mean Santa Claus ISN'T REAL??!?!?
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:00 PM
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16. Why are you spreading inaccurate info????
Fitz said she was undercover, and went into great detail about it.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:02 PM
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21. I just heard him say "I'm not going to comment on whether she was
undercover. I will tell you this - she worked at the CIA..."
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:06 PM
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33. I call bullshit........
The first words out of his mouth were that she was covert and why. Then he went on to explain why it was bad for national security. It was the first words out of his mouth when he started the conference. I'm sorry you missed the first end of it, but you're spreading bad info.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:11 PM
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Not correct.
He said that she worked at the CIA and that "that information was classified"

Whether or not that implies that she was covert is up to us to mull, but he didn't say it himself.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:07 PM
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37. If you did not see the start of the conference, quit while you're behind.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:05 PM
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27. Are we watching the same Press Conference????
His tone is appropriately circumspect.

He flat out said Plame was under cover and the damage was to us all. Did you come into it late?
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:05 PM
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29. Huh?
:crazy:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:06 PM
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35. Sorry you didn't like your present
I love mine. This is serious stuff.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:10 PM
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41. everyone builds something so, that what is good is shot down
expectation has become so high, we think it is going to do 5 years of mess in a flash. that is not how the real world works. to just this moment, so much has been accomplished in destroying bush and what he will be able to do. how much bush is supported has nose dived. more dems are able to speak out. more press is speaking out. more americans are disgusted
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:11 PM
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42. It sounds like a careful man who takes pains to respect the law.
At least to me it does.

This isn't a witch hunt ala Ken Starr, I wouldn't advise being disappointed in that fact.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:13 PM
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45. Locking
OP selling bad cheese.
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