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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:05 PM
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Scarborough is going nuts! Lawrence O'Donnell is on, too!
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 10:06 PM by cynatnite
I can't tell if it's in shock or glee. :eyes:

Fineman and a few others talking Cheney and Tenet's involvement.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:06 PM
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1. Details, for those of us without TV access? nt
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:06 PM
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2. Are they talking about the NYT story about Cheney's involvement? nt
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:07 PM
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3. They just don't want to be on the loosing side when
this all comes down.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:16 PM
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13. Is that why tucker's been flip flooping around on issues
Like the war and such?
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:07 PM
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4. They're talking about the times report that Cheney was involved n/t
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:08 PM
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5. Scarborough is desperate for this to be a non-issue!
Ha ha ha ha!
Carlson has almost given up apologizing.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:10 PM
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6. Tucker Carlson is still a twit...
Questioned this leak at this late date and said Libby was crazy for lying if there were notes concerning Cheney's involvement.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:33 PM
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18. HaHaHa!!
I just realized why *uckers face is all over the place! Republican talking heads either don't want to talk about it or they were told not to. So all they have is Carlson out on every show.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:34 PM
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19. Tucker was blaming Fitzgerald for allegedly leaking information
The others said the leak is not coming from Fitzgerald but from Libby's attorney. Maybe letters have already been sent out by Fitzgerald to attorneys giving them a 'heads up' regarding the forthcoming indictments. I think that if this hits close to Cheney, they are going to try to build a wall around the Chimp to save him (the same way Reagan appeared to be screened off). If there's no saving Cheney, they'll feed him to the wolves and claim it was all his doing,. They pile on Cheney at this point if it will help the neocons retain power and preserve their trained monkey. Anyway, I'm sure Cheney has a lot of future Halliburton contracts to look forward to, once he's officially left office.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:11 PM
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7. "the people around Scooter Libby are now giving up the Vice President"
ha ha ha!
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:12 PM
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8. Fineman says people around Scooter are giving up Cheney...
hmm...interesting.

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:13 PM
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10. Time for Cheney's other knee to have a heart attack
so he can step down for 'medical reasons.'

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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:37 PM
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20. LOL!
classic... :rofl:
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:39 PM
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22. If they're eager to give up Cheney it means they're worried for the Chimp
If they appear too eager to put all of the blame on Cheney, it makes me think that Bush at least had knowledge of all that went down and lied about it to the people. They're trying to save Bush the way Reagan was saved during Iran Contra.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:13 PM
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9. Fineman can't keep a straight face during the "talking points"
this is a good show.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:14 PM
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11. Fineman: Georgie feels like a very isolated man
:bounce:
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:14 PM
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12. "George must feel like a very lonely man"
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 10:15 PM by FLDem5
(edited for correct name! Oops!)
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:17 PM
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14. scarborough
sounds like the shit is hitting the fan.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:23 PM
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15. overview - panel felt it was a political bombshell for Cheney and the WH,
saw no legal fallout for the VP, though...a legal bombshell for Libby, he's in deep shit.

Though Tucker Carlson tried to pin this GJ info leak to the NYT on Fitzgerald, the wiser heads let him know that it would behoove Libby's "public" defense to get this out now, leak it, knowing it would be in the indictment get to the spin ahead of the indictments.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:26 PM
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16. I don't understand that...
The only way I can see there being no legal fallout for Cheney is if he told Fitz this from the beginning. Anyone think that's the case?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:27 PM
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17. hmm, i never thought of that, Cheney actually telling the truth
but i guess if it was to save his own ass he would.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:39 PM
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21. If Cheney and Libby discussed Plame AMONG THEMSELVES, it was no crime.
It looks like Libby may be PROTECTING Cheney. "Dick mentioned Plame to me and I took it on myself to make it public."
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:43 PM
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24. You are correct. nt
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:45 PM
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26. I'm inclined to believe Libby's falling on the proverbial sword...
He's going to make a go at playing martyr unless Fitz gets him to turn on Cheney. Unlikely, though.

I do think you're right.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:48 PM
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27. It was a crime if Cheney had reason to know Libby would talk to the press
under the Espionage Act. That involves situations where the possessor of the information has "reason to know" it will eventually be communicated to unauthorized persons, even if the person with whom the information is shared has authorization. This may be where the mole in the White House fits in.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:51 PM
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28. Here is the possible crime
From the NY Times:

It would not be illegal for either Mr. Cheney or Mr. Libby, both of whom are presumably cleared to know the governments deepest secrets, to discuss a C.I.A. officer or her link to a critic of the administration. But any effort by Mr. Libby to steer investigators away from his conversation with Mr. Cheney could be considered by Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special counsel in the case, to be an illegal effort to impede the inquiry.


I would think this would work both ways meaning if Chency made and effort to steer the investigators away from his conversation with Libby. Right?
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:53 PM
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29. Another possibility...
Libby got caught lying and knows his ass is in a sling. Any chance he cut a deal with Fitz to come clean and finger Cheney?
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:42 PM
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23. The meeting was before Wilson's OpEd, so I guess Cheney could present
it and the discussion as a routine part of business (Cheney and Libby both had security clearance)to talk about the Wilson trip to Niger and there was mention of his wife in the discussion....

Looks like we may find out before too long...

The sense on the TV panel was that it would be a stretch for Fitz to find a crime in the particular meeting itself, unless there's stuff none of us know...and *that* sure seems probable.

:shrug:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:43 PM
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25. it was just a chat with bush and cheney right? no oath
how much trouble do you get in lying when you arent under oath?
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