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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:50 PM
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Congressman Conyers: Pre-Emptive War Against Patrick Fitzgerald
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 03:11 PM by understandinglife
As if spin and character attacks were a viable justification for a massive breach of national security, Republicans have already decided to smear Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald rather than take responsibility for their own misdeeds. Prevailing wisdom expects grand jury indictments to be issued this week. Any criminal charges will likely reach deep into the White House.

Over the weekend, the GOP spin machine gave us a preview of what we can expect from the Republican Party when we finally learn who outed CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson.

The New York Times reports that allies of the White House suggested Sunday that they intended to pursue a strategy of attacking any criminal charges as a disagreement over legal technicalities or the product of an overzealous prosecutor and that, in what appears to be a coordinated Congressional and White House attack, allies of the White House have quietly been circulating talking points in recent days among Republicans sympathetic to the administration, seeking to help them make the case that bringing charges like perjury mean the prosecutor does not have a strong case."

Before the Congress and the American people can consider the possibility of a White House cover up, it will have to penetrate the smokescreen of character assassination and RNC talking points. This sort of misdirection is nothing new to this White House. The weapons they will use will be the same used to defame Ambassador Joe Wilson; in the words of a Republican Congressional aide months ago, its slime and defend.

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More at the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-conyers/preemptive-w...

And, to the link at Conyersblog.com:

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000282.htm


He just keeps on leading on all the crucial issues.


Peace.
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cobaindrain Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:53 PM
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1. well, it's already started on the right wing radio
Hannity launches some pre-emptive smear bombs
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:54 PM
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4. Limbaugh did it too, as expected.
n/t
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cobaindrain Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:57 PM
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8. this is uber desperation mode
really they've already resigned that something big is going to happen. The repugs are just hoping it's something huge(libby/rove) and not something enormous (cheney :toast:)
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:08 PM
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21. Anything less than getting that bastard Cheney,
would be the ultimate letdown IMO.

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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:22 PM
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25. Will it stop at Cheney?
I mean, where does the buck actually stop?
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:25 PM
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26. I just think that Bush will pull some
shit, like "plausible deniablility".

Cheney's been running this crap since day one. I want him!! I wanna watch the PNAC go down in flames.

:evilgrin:
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:38 PM
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29. seems to me that I read somewhere that bush is responsible for
everything his underlings say and do whether he knows about it or not. so plausible deniability won't fly.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:32 PM
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36. Bush "responsible" = saying San Diego ckn resp for Padres loss
To quote SNL: "Saying Bush is responsible for anything in this government is like blaming the San Diego chicken when the Padres lose. He's just a big fuzzy mascot."
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:25 PM
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28. I have a feeling it might be cheney. And if it is I wonder..
If it didn't work when Clinton tried to lie his way out of people's intrigue in him, what makes them think it would work with him?
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:53 PM
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2. I am so sick of Republicans and their smear machine.
This is getting so old. It even has its own slang term now: swiftboating. So, they're going to swiftboat Fitzgerald, huh? Are they going to swiftboat the entire grand jury, too?
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maximovich Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:55 PM
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5. I Wouldn't Pass It By Them
Then we stomp on them with the truth.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:00 PM
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13. U know, that was the one thing I looked forward to when
Clinton left office and Bush entered. I thought "Well, at least the Republicans won't be doing 24/7 smear attacks any more."

Little did I know...
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:45 PM
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39. Haha...it only got worse, didn't it?
I was a political ostrich until shrub. I am not amused by the Republican smear machine.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:24 PM
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42. Never imagined it, but it did get worse.
And I've got a good imagination, too!

A lesson I learned in junior high was to never cave in to a bully, for it just emboldens them. I've now learned it clearly applies to politics as well.

Give 'em fits, Fitz. :thumbsup:
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:03 PM
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18.  Yep ..... and they will get away with it...
with the help of the media and their spinsters...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:54 PM
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3. "overzealous prosecutor "--seems to the aides were overzealous.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:59 PM
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11. Dubya's words will come back to haunt him again.
In contrast, Bush has publicly praised Fitzgerald's investigation, saying earlier this month that "he's doing it in a very dignified way."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:51 PM
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31. Overzealous in the sense that he actually appears to be doing his job
something Bushco must view with bafflement and alarm.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:56 PM
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6. K&R..NT
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MsKandice01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:57 PM
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7. I just love John Conyers
He's the one Democrat I can count on that is seriously paying attention to what's going on. He's the MAN!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:01 PM
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16. the one and possibly ONLY... nt
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:03 PM
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34. Remember when he held those hearings in the basement of
the Capitol with Cindy Sheehan, Joe Wilson, Ray McGovern and Jon Bonifaz?

There were a number of other Representatives who came down to lend Conyers support. I wish they would act as a BLOC...maybe call themselves the 'Bloc for Democracy.' I want to see a HUGE GROUP working in Congress. I don't think the Senate is up for it...except mayber Boxer. Who else has a spine in the Senate? Kennedy. I am so tired of Reid and his squeaky little voice with his new little phrase for '06...'America Can Do Better.'

Again, if you feel like calling the Hill and giving some of the Dems a pep talk on FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY......here are the toll free numbers:

1-800-828-0498 or 1-800-247-2971

Thx.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:58 PM
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9. Time for the DRAFT!
Draft Conyers
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flying_wahini Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:58 PM
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10. just remind rw's that Fitzgerald was appointed by Ashcroft......
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:00 PM
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15. No. He was appointed by Comey. Ashcroft had to recuse himself.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:59 PM
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12. wish the dems could coordinate talking points nt
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:25 PM
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27. I don't mind the lack of coordination
I do mind that I frequently hear Democrats *repeating* Republican talking points, and it is almost a given that they are completely unprepared to rebut these same points even when they have been in circulation for days and the internet is full of clear and simple fact-based rebuttals.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:00 PM
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14. He does come from an absolutely safe area you know!
And as minority leader of the judiciary committee he has the power behind him to keep doing what he's doing.

My suspicion is that this is not happenstance, but is planned.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:01 PM
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17. Fighting fire with Gasoline
It's the only thing they really know how to do. They can't govern, they can't fight, they can't tell the truth, they can't solve problems.

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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:03 PM
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19. So they are not even going to try to say they're innocent.
Just not guilty of anything very bad.

Fuck 'em.

They're doomed.

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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:05 PM
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20. Spin is not evidence
Say it with me
Spin is not evidence.

They can say whatever they want on TV. They can say whatever they want about the charges or the prosecutor but it's all powerless spin. Once there are indictments it is no longer political but judicial. The only court that matters is the federal court and the only thing that matters is the evidence available (if there is any) to defend these criminals. They are still fighting in the court of public opinion and let them because that fight is meaningless. Once their crimes are part of the court systems they can only watch and suffer.

Spin is not evidence.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #20
38. Yep. I've been saying that all day. We're on the same wavelength.
Still I refuse to be optimistic. I'll believe this when I see it.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:08 PM
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22. Good news!
This means that indictments, lots of them, are on the way! I celebrate the fait accompli that is demonstrated by the new Death Cult Marching Orders.

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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:14 PM
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23. Conyers is excellent
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 03:23 PM by hiley
He is the leader for truth.
criminal activities and smearing=gop
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:17 PM
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24. this is already in play with the Delay case
its their standard generic rebuttal

Most Americans now see through their tripe. Most are smarter than the thugs think they are.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:50 PM
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30. Salon: "Long ago, Washington's political attack dogs resigned themselves
.... to the fact that they have nothing on special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. The man is so squeaky clean that just about the only dirt besmirching his public record concerns long work hours that made him ineligible to adopt a cat. Later this week, the most powerful men and women in the country will sit helplessly on the sidelines as Fitzgerald decides whether to indict White House officials in the case of Valerie Plame, a clandestine CIA agent whose identity was leaked to the press by the Bush administration.

But as soon as Fitzgerald announces his decision, in a press conference, a walk from the grand jury room to the magistrate's office in U.S. District Court, or a posting on his Web site, the political dtente will end. The knives will come out. It will be an all-out rhetorical war.

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The renewed focus on the actions of the White House in the marketing of the war is a narrative that many policy wonks and historians hope gains traction. For each fact known about the White House's work with intelligence -- such as the fact that Vice President Cheney made repeated visits to the CIA -- several unanswered questions remain. "If indictments are handed down it reopens that entire subject," says Joseph Cirincione, the director of nonproliferation at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "Some books are hard to shut. And this one is about to pop back open."



From Plame Games by Michael Scherer on October 24, 2005

Link:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/10/24/plame/prin...


And, this is a book that all of us, like the folk at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, want kept open until all the truth is known.


Peace.

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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:47 PM
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44. They'll make crap up if they can't find anything
Hope Fitz is ready. He's a smart man.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:53 PM
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32. Their agitation is music to my ears.
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 03:54 PM by smoogatz
What's beautiful about any indictments brought in this case is that conviction is almost a sure thing. Any jury empaneled in DC is likely to be 80-90% African American. Bush's approval rating with African Americans is, given the margin of error, somewhere between 4% and zero.

Sean, Rush--can you say FROG MARCH?
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:03 PM
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33. It's so unbelievably hard to understand
How anyone wants a government that operates under such corruption. Just because it's their party, why would anyone with any sort of integrity want our government to be so evil.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:20 PM
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35. I've noticed in our political culture that W and his neocons have
seemed to turn the political arena into something like a sports arena. I think Rove has used propaganda and manipulation techniques on the 'good ol' boys.' By 'good ol' boys' I mean (and I am being very general) white, not well-educated, working class (therefore losing self-esteem due to dwindling paychecks and jobs) with racist and sexist tendencies. And of course, they like guns since that tends to give them self-esteem.

These men, with the help of Rush, the Drug Addict, have been prodded into thinking that politics is a game to be WON or LOST...it has nothing to do with peoples' lives. And in the name of Winning, all tactics are acceptable. After all, politics is dirty. Lying is acceptable, smear tactics are fun and entertaining....it's all a game to them....until maybe someone in their circle is harmed in the Iraq war.

And because they are not well-educated, logic and reason have no place in their world....I find the only technique that works on them is ridicule. Of course, you gotta remember they have those guns right handy in their pick-up trucks.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:05 PM
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41. It's simple
They don't have any sort of integrity. All they care about is winning, and they don't care whether their tactics are ethical or not.
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north houston dem Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:39 PM
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37. Goddess bless Poppa Conyers
he leads us all.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:54 PM
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40. Hannity was attacking Comey today
he went over Comey's cases like "Pardongate" when he said it was a set up that Clinton would walk away from the Rich pardon and insinuated that Comey was paid off. He kept referring to Comey as Fitzgerald's good friend. He stated that Comey and Fitzgerald were "best" friends that socialize regularly. Then he called Fitzgerald's appointment "chronyism." I sat there peeing my pants cause I was laughing so much.

Hannity couldn't find anything more to say about Fitzgerald than "overzealous prosecutor" so he attacked Comey instead. It was so pitiful it turned into a comedy. They are soooooo freaked!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:33 PM
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43. They will display their lameness for all it is as they try to diminish ...
.... Comey and Fitzgerald. We should all do everything we can to help them keep digging the hole they are already expanding and deepening. ;)


Peace.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 07:52 PM
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45. Conyers wrote Bush again...
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 07:54 PM by hiley
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:31 PM
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46. Conyers makes me proud to be a Democrat!
He is always leading the party on all the crucial issues.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:20 AM
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47. I hope Fitzgerald's findings puts a huge smile on Rep. Conyers' face
No one deserves to see justice done more than Rep. Conyers. I've never seen a more hard-working congressperson than he has been at representing the people's interests.
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