Any DUers who have some psychic ability? Not kidding.

[npincus]

I am not kidding, nor am I a whack job. I do believe there are some people with genuine and varying degrees of psychic perception.

So, if any of you have such capability, I would like to ask what are your feelings about the scope and results of the PlameGate investigation. Any ideas about its breadth? Will it touch on the conspiracy that got us into the Iraq debacle? Will it (eventually) reach the top- B*sh and Cheney? Might Chimpy's impeachment happen?

I know I'll get a heap of sarcasm, but if any one of you have a "sixth sense", please I'd like to hear your comments.

[bryant69]

1. Yeah, you just might get some sarcastic responses.

Interesting to see if anybody says anything.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[elehhhhna]

32. I lost my Ouija Board Mousepad when we moved.

Anybody know where I can get another one? It was funny.

[ComerPerro]

97. Ouija board mousepad? LOL. Check this out

First google return.

http://www.cafepress.com/shop/religion/browse/store/net...



They are asking $14.99.

Just thought I'd check for you.

[elehhhhna]

133. YOU ARE MY HERO ! (And I think I'm the queen of googling, duh)

Seriously! Ordering one now!

[Obamarama]

2. I predict Tom of Finland has a little surprise in store for Mr. Delay!

From that phot collage it looks as if Mr. Delay's last name is about to be changed to Dover. Ben Dover.

[npincus]

3. Ya like that, huh?

the title is" Leather Boy Meets his New Bitch"

[lildreamer316]

4. Go check these groups...

They can be a little crazy new-agey; but hey,...so am I! Post your question and you will at least get an astrology opinion, which can be startlingly accurate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[npincus]

7. thank you- I've never been to that board. I'll try it.

[Ilsa]

5. I've had psychic experiences before, including a recent one, but

for me, these things are not selective. I can't pick and choose what to be "psychic" about.

I think some of the stuff I experience has more to do with things going on at the same moment in time, and people of like mindedness mustering their thoughts and desires.

Does that help?

[Mr_Spock]

46. I have little control over it either

It's a blessing and a curse in many ways - I'm only "told" about impending highly stressful events in my life Gee, thanks (it actually helps me to prepare, but knowing about something before it happens is VERY unsettling).

[ck4829]

6. My beliefs on the Paranormal

You can't harness them.

I've had a couple encounters of the strange kind.

There's a lot of people claiming to psychics and what not.

My belief is that:

A. You really can't harness it, it comes to you

B. The encounter only lasts for couple of moments

That being said, judging by these encounters I have had, we at DU are constantly railing at Bush and the others, but I believe they are nothing but the puppets for a darker power.

[FreedomAngel82]

64. You're right though

Things seem to come to me whether with a message or a vision whenever I don't expect it. If I try to get something it doesn't work. I'm good at sensing and things like that but it's not the same as recieving a message or vision. I've had other things happen to with future dreams. I remember one future dream where I was at some house washing dishes and watching CNN (I only knew cause of the logo at the bottom). There were three reporters talking about some big terrorist event that happened. The first place that popped in my mind was NYC of course. Did it happen there? I don't know. Didn't get any details on any of the event. I do remember seeing three reporters talking about this event. One reporter, the main guy in the middle, was blaming Bush. He had just been out of office anywhere from a few months to two years. The second reporter on the right (his left) was of course blaming Clinton. Than the last reporter on the right of the middle guy was blaming John Kerry. Why Kerry? I found that strange. It was very fast so I'm surprised I remember this as clear as I do. It's one of those things you don't forget though. And yes it can be a curse too. I've seen some really scary things and have had some really scary experiences that I wouldn't wish on even Bush or any of his administration.

[Terran]

8. More likely you'll get abuse

than sarcasm. The skeptics can be quite nasty about stuff like this. Makes ya wonder, sometimes.

[jim3775]

10. Don't paint us with such a wide brush

I'm a skeptic, I have my opinions, and because I'm trying to be a nice guy I wont interfere in this thread.

[trotsky]

16. 15 posts to this point, and no abuse.

Try not to prejudge people, mmmkay?

[Terran]

28. I'm not exactly prejudging...

since I've had that abuse directed at me personally, right here on DU. If that's not you, then I apologize, but next time you see it you might intervene and tell some of these jerks what complete assholes they're being.

On Edit: I'm already seeing rudeness downthread ("sigh").

[npincus]

34. it's okay... when one casts a wide net

they're bound to catch a few rotten fish. Or something like that!

[PowerToThePeople]

9. awmm. The answer is, some event that requires martial law.

-opens the envelope-

What will happen when indictments start coming in for this administration.

[npincus]

11. Where is Karnak when we need him?

tee hee

[newspeak]

13. well, I don't know about it

but a friend who is an astrologer before the 2000 elections said that Al Gore will win but he won't be president? She was kind of confused about her own reading---so, if you don't believe in it, I guess her guess was correct.

[seabeyond]

12. fungus

started a year or two ago. i had didfferent experience with this. went from person, to local to nation. i see this as just another extension of the core to the fungus. just a piece to get to the core. yes i do think it is the beginning. but then, this little piece, is just a little piece of the whole. i understanding what you say, feeling the energy, being able to sit in the stillness, to see how we create. and we do most certtainly create. ying and yang

[nashville_brook]

14. pure intuition -- i haven't been able yet to get waiste-deep in the story

i think there's people who have more power than folks in the white house.

i think they got tired of seeing their waterboys get sloppy.

i think somewhere between 2003 and 2005 there was a massive struggle to get the right people in place.

i think the people with power dragged their feet to pull the plug on george and the boyz. but finally they got everyone on board.

i think there will be deals made to get cheney and his gang to resign.

i think there's gonna be jail involved with some people serving 3 years or more. the top dogs won't do time, but someone down the pecking order will.

i think wilson was in the loop of those outside of government and is probably no angel.

i think we might hear more about David Kelly. i think some Brits turned in 2003.

i think there will be some moderate republicans taking over empty slots in the Admin.

i don't think mccain is trustworthy. i think he's compromised. something about his manner seems not his own. he's carrying something secret. he acts neutered.

i think the NYT will make a big fuss about cleaning house. and prolly won't clean house.

i think cable media will make a big fuss about cleaning house and prolly won't.

i think the great crumbling will offer an opportunity to re-examine the elections. there's a potential for change, but it has to get dazzling coverage.

i don't think bush will get to name another SCOTUS nominee before the shit his the fan and IF he gets another swipe at it, he won't be making the decision himself; it'll be part of the deal.

[NV Whino]

48. i think you're prolly right on.

[FreedomAngel82]

65. I would definitley say McCain has compromised

You can sense something is weird with the whole Bush/McCain relationship. I don't trust the guy either. You get iffy feelings with him. One minute he's got okay positive vibes and the next just icky. I think he's sold out for sure. I knew it when he campaigned for Bush last year over Kerry who was supposed to be a good friend. Heh. But you can sense that Bush and McCain do not like each other for whatever purpose. McCain is trying to fit in with the neocons for whatever purpose. Probably power and the backing he'll need to get others to come out in support of him. This guy really wants to be president someday for whatever purpose. Perhaps a hidden agenda I do not know but you get a strange sense. But I just don't trust McCain at all.

[Jara sang]

15. The government believes in psychics.

The Army had a program that delved into "remote viewing" they called it Project Stargate, also Projects Grill Flame, Sun Streak, and Center Lane. Personally I think these projects were huge disinformation tactics as in "look at the loony things the intelligence community does, they're harmless" while they are focusing their attention that they don't want you to see.

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/stargate.htm

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

53. The Government (particularly the DoD) has done insane things

Jon Ronson's latest book "The Men Who Stare At Goats" is a must read on this subject. He covers RV & the Hale Bopp/Art Bell/Heavens Gate fiasco. Not in the book - but in the TV series based on it - is an interview with a remote viewer who claims to be rehired as part of 'The War on Terror'.

[FreedomAngel82]

66. Oh sure

There are people out there who are fakes and always wrong. But there are people who do become right. I've been right a few times with personal things. This is the first time though I've made predictions with politics and all that. Sometimes you see things and you don't know what is going on and you can't really get anything from the vision and things don't make sense until later on in life. From things I've had and gotten things don't make sense until later on usually. It's always amazing to me to watch things fold out though. Whenever I'm giving any type of prediction I remind people of freewill and how the Universe is always changing. Things change all the time and just because you see something and predict something doesn't mean it'll necessarily happen.

[knowbody0]

17. just for you

and i do not play parlor games. i inquired of the IChing how would the *administration fare next week. and this is the answer:
Conflict Conflict develops when one feels himself to be in the right and runs into opposition. If one is not convinced of being in the right, opposition leads to craftiness or high-handed encroachment but not to open conflict. If a man is entangled in a conflict, his ony salvation lies in being so clear-headed and inwardly strong that he is always ready to come to terms by meeting the opponent halfway.
Nine in the Fourth: This refers to a person whose inner attitude at first lacks peace. He does not feel content with his situation and would like to improve it through conflict. But he cannot carry on the fight, because, since right is not on his side, he cannot justify the conflict to his conscience. He turns back and accepts his fate.
Nine at the top: Here we have someone who has carried a conflict to the bitter end and has triumphed. He is granted a decoration, but his happiness does not last. He is attacked again and again, and the result is conflict without end.


Changes bring the Abyss.


as always, for me with the IChing, i get an answer seemingly appropriate to the question.

[KittyWampus]

20. That is the exquisite Beauty of the IChing

The insight that is found is actually already within us.

[knowbody0]

21. sigh ;)

[npincus]

33. thank you.

I wonder of the "nine at the top" refers to B*sh (in the case "triumph" would mean beting justice)?

[knowbody0]

36. hard to say

im thinking that the indictments most likely will not include *, but that he will be challenged at every turn, having been exposed as totally impotent by his puppet masters.
good times

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

86. If I may,

here is John Blofeld's commentary on the text:

Text Conflict. Confidence accompanied by obstacles! With care, affairs can be made to prosper in their middle course, but the final outcome will be distaster. It is advantageous to visit a great man, but not to cross the great river (or sea). Commentary In this hexagram, the upper trigram indicates firmness, the lower, danger. When danger is met by firmness, conflict follows. What is said above about affairs prospering in their middle course if care is exercised is derived from the firm line in the midle (of the lower trigram). The final disaster occurs because the conflict is one which cannot be resolved. The advantage of going to see a great man is indicated by the firm line just mentioned. It would be unwise to cross the great river (go on any journey) as we should inevitably tumble into the watery abyss.

Symbol This hexagram symbolizes sky and water in opposition. The Superior Man does not embark upon any affair until he has carefully planned the start.

6 for the bottom place Provided that affairs are not pressed through to the end and that as little as possible is said about them, they will end propitiously. Commentary Not pressing affairs through to the end implies not dragging on a dispute. Though little should be said, its purport should be clear.

9 for the second place As the conflict cannot be resolved, he beats a hasty retreat. His clan, numbering three hundred households, also escapes harm. Commentary This passage means that, if we pit ourselves against superior strength, we shall find ourselves bowed beneath the dint of conflict to the bitter end.

6 for the third place He nourishes himself upon the ancient virtues. Right determination leads to initial trouble followed by good fortune. Were he to seek public office now, he would not be able to attain it. Commentary The good fortune will result from obedience to superiors which stems from cherishing the ancient virtues.

9 for the fourth place Since the conflict cannot be resolved, it is best to retreat and submit to heaven's will. Peaceful determination brings a good fortune. Commentary Provided we submit to heaven's will, a peaceful determination will enable us to win through.

9 for the fifth place Conflict followed by supreme good fortune. Commentary This is indicated by the fitting position of the central line (of the upper trigram.

9 for the top place If a girdle of honour were bestowed upon him, he would be forced to strip it off thrice within one day. Commentary Garments of honour obtained through strife do little credit to the wearer.

Hope you don't mind the addition, I always find Blofeld enlightening.

BTW, regarding all the warnings about trips across the big water...Bush is going to China next month.

[knowbody0]

116. care to comment

about the changes, 9 in the fourth and top, changing to the Abyss?

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

118. Sure, I'll give it a shot

I think the response does refer primarily to Bush because of the framing of your inquiry: how will the Bush administration fare next week. He is the head (titular at least) of the administration so it is his actions that will determine the course of the conflict.

For the fourth, the text says it is best to retreat and submit to heaven's will. Blofeld adds this caveat: Provided we submit to heaven's will, a peaceful determination will enable us to win through.

Submitting to the will of heaven is the act of the Superior Man. That's not Bush. Bush has no conflict to his conscience so he will not accept his fate, and his stonewalling will lead to the abyss. But if the response is referring to a member of the administration, it's possible that this man's conflicted conscience will move him to cooperate with the investigation and betray the administration. I tend to the former possibility, that the continued fighting and resistance will just make things worse for Bush and his clan.

That would correspond with 9 for the top, for which the text refers to a girdle of honor. Blofeld has an additional note on his commentary: In divination, garments of honor may be taken to symbolize any of the prizes won through a successful dispute. I agree with you that it refers to Bush escaping indictment. But however favorable the outcome may turn out to be for the administration, it will not benefit Bush.

Additionally, I find Bush's planned trip to China most interesting, not only for its literal application to the response, but also because in light of the response the public may view his trip as an attempt to escape and distract from his domestic woes, so he will gain no honor from it.

Richard Nixon's trip to China was a diplomatic breakthrough that won him great honor. Of course, that was pre-Watergate. Bush's trip will be post-Plamegate, and his standing will not be as the head of an equally powerful nation, but as a beleaguered CEO meeting with the majority investors.

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. No.

ie there are no DUers who have some psychic ability. Becasue there is not such thing.

However, there are many DUers who have considerable intelligence, and knowledge of American politics, and they might be able to answer your questions. If you repost with a suitable title to attract them, you might get some worthwhile responses. Or you could look for them in the many existing threads.

[npincus]

29. I respectfully disagree

I understand some (or many) share your view and will leave it at that.

I suppose the word "paranormal" may be more suitable, but I have had at least (1) such experience and know personally of a number of others from friends and family. I have had dream-related communications, but those are very personal and I won't hold them up for mockery.

So the question (and this thread) is really intended for those who may also be "considerabley intelligent" but who are certainly interested and open-minded.

[MarsThe Cat]

40. "considerabley intelligent"

oh the irony....
(you know- there IS a spell check button at the bottom of the posting page)

[npincus]

54. excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me

the words in quotes, "considerably intelligent" were pulled from the comment that I was responding to and I meant no affront to any DUers:

ie there are no DUers who have some psychic ability. Because there is not such thing.

However, there are many DUers who have considerable intelligence, and knowledge of American politics, and they might be able to answer your questions. If you repost with a suitable title to attract them, you might get some worthwhile responses. Or you could look for them in the many existing threads.

I thought this was a rather condescending comment, thus I threw the "considerably intelligent" into my response- sarcasm.

Now about your post, I find it rather snippy and unnecessary. Do you really give a shit whether I use spell check? Are you the DU Spelling Police? Do you wear a hat, badge and uniform? Do you patrol all the boards or just this one?

Gratuitous drive-by snarky remarks aimed at your fellow Duers are really not called for.

[MarsThe Cat]

56. if you put it in quotes-

why did you add a "y"???



"considerable" is a word..."considerabley" is NOT...and when you combine a non-word with the word "intelligence", especially...well...you're just asking for it.

[npincus]

58. oh, brother

[MarsThe Cat]

63. my thoughts exactly...

the irony especially is where i find the most humor.

thanks for the chuckles.

[newfaceinhell]

90. Yes how hilarious--someone made a spelling error!!! LOL!!!

I see you've lifted both your sense of humor and your grasp of irony straight out of 5th grade.

[MarsThe Cat]

95. they made the spelling error talking about intelligence...

that's what made it so PAINFULLY ironic.

[npincus]

99. gee... STILL laughing?

do you have anything more constructive to contribute to this thread than mocking a spelling error in someone's post?

[MarsThe Cat]

100. when people respond to my posts, i prefer to respond back...

got some kind of problem with that?

and as long as you ask- yes, i'm still amused by you.

[npincus]

101. okey doke...

I will PERMIT you to have the last word, because with each post you reveal a petty, childish and mean-spirited nature.

Post away!

[MarsThe Cat]

104. says you!

:raspberry:

[Dorian Gray]

102. is this necessary?

It seemed to be a little error. Nothing more.

[MarsThe Cat]

103. just as 'necessary' as your post, i suppose...

i'm an irony fan.

and when someone makes a spelling error in connection with 'intelligence', it jiggles my funny bone.

[Dorian Gray]

106. Okay, then...

go on making fun of a mistake. Far be it from me to stop you.

[MarsThe Cat]

108. thanks...

i feel MUCH better, knowing i have your...permission.

[Dorian Gray]

112. Oh, sweetie, I didn't give you my permission.

I wouldn't presume to do that.

But, if you want to wager a battle of sarcastic responses right now, I'm sorry that I won't be able to join you. Enjoy your fun!

[MarsThe Cat]

114. well- you said you wouldn't "stop" me...

so apparently you must at least think you somehow have the power to do so.

[nomatrix]

123. Considerably is a word

Just mispelled.

http://www.answers.com/topic/considerably

[MarsThe Cat]

128. and considerabley isn't...

go ahead, look it up.

[muriel_volestrangler]

88. Sorry about the apparent condescension

I didn't intend it, but when I looked back at my reply, I could see it could come over that way.

My point was that working out what is likely to happen in the Fitzgerald investigation isn't easy, and I'm not able to give a good prediction, but there are those on DU who are quite likely to be able to. They'll do it from their knowledge of the case, and of people. Ironically, a few may even think it's vague 'psychic feelings' they're getting, when it's their good judgement and observation they're using. On this thread, there's someone who says they had bad feelings about Bush before he was elected - it's that DUer's intelligence that gave them that feeling.

Some posters are talking about 'intuition' rather than 'psychic ability' - and that can make sense. They work things out using incomplete information, and don't set the ideas out in a narrative thought, but can still arrive at the correct result more often than others. We do the same (or try to do) in our personal interactions.

[Dorian Gray]

105. I tend

to believe more in intuition than actual psychic ability. I also agree that people may mix the two up. I don't discount all psychic ability, but I've never known anybody to have "real" powers. I have seen people display amazing intuition, however. But, it's always based upon prior information. (For example, I've seen people be able to predict, amazingly, the outcome of several scenarios with a decent rate of success. Sportswriters make a living out of that.)

I don't believe that people like John Edwards are for real. (Entertainers.) There may be some true mediums who have those powers, and I don't discount that. But I do believe that there are people out there who do take advantage of people's emotional weaknesses, and we need to vigilantly take care of them. There are also gypsy mediums in NYC who are trained to ask the right questions to gain the confidence of their marks. Despite their skill, I've had readings by these people that have never been accurate. (I've never had an accurate palm reading or card reading. And I've tried them a number of times.)

[npincus]

113. no problem

I respect your point of view and understand many others (probably most) would agree with you.


Throughout the reign of B*sh, my own reliance on facts, observation, understanding of the law and how are government was intended to work have led me to conclusions contrary to those realized. The criminal behavior and corruption of B*shco with the MSM serving as echo chamber and facilitator, the failure of our legislative branch to perform as more than partisan cheerleaders, a Supreme Court that picks a president without allowing votes to be counted... this we have all observed continuing without fair, moral, legal or logical consequences. Somehow these past years, facts and knowledge of events (information) have failed to produce the correct results good judgment would have rendered.

Of course I have 'hope' that correct results will occur (in this case, justice) and stay tuned in and informed instead of tuning out. But those of us who believe in karma and/or other such phenomena, wonder if the karmic 'payback' we believe this administration deserves is finally here. And perhaps, those who are 'receptors' to such phenomena (which I know you don't believe in- I won't argue the point) may have a 'heads up' for the rest of us.

[Mr_Spock]

43. I've seen the future on at least 4 occasions...

There were others, but those 4 really stand out

[FM Arouet666]

59. Finally, a sane response to this post.

I was beginning to think I was in the twilight zone.

[Warren DeMontague]

73. I don't know, man. I'm pretty skeptical about everything

but I've also seen some very weird shit.

I don't think we have all the answers about the way everything works, and I think "Common Sense" 20th Century style will one day seem as outdated as Geocentrism or Belief in a flat Earth.

Pointless to try to convince anyone one way or the other, though.

[FM Arouet666]

81. So have I....

The weird shit I mean. I ate two cans of golden sweet corn, the yummy little nibblets, and a bag of frozen blue berries, the ones without the imitation color, the real deal. Well, I tell you, talk about some weird shit.

[Warren DeMontague]

82. And I bet you knew it was coming before it arrived

voila. Psychic abilities.

Anyway, like I said... from where I sit, it's the definition of pointless to try to convince anybody one way or another about this kind of thing.
I been gamblin', hereabouts
for ten good solid years
if I told ya 'bout all that went down
it would burn off both your ears.

[MarsThe Cat]

109. weird shit

the word is "coincidence".

[Warren DeMontague]

119. Ah, thank you for telling me what I've seen.

Whatever you say!

Weird shit? In this Universe? Nope, it's all staid, brick wall, herringbone suit, 9 to 5, meat-n'-potatoes, commonsense boring in these parts, Jack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell\'s_theorem

Yep. Whatever you say.

In my mind, continually crying "coincidence" when presented with phenomena that seemingly defies logic or commonsense is as much of an anti-intellectual copout as continually crying "God".

But again, like I said. Pointless. To. Try. To. Convince. Anyone. One. Way. Or. The. Other.

Unless you have some weird, semi-pathological NEED for other people to see the world exactly as you do- in which case you might be happier in an organization like the Jehovah's Witnesses.

[MarsThe Cat]

120. wikipedia- now there's a real bastion of legitimate info...

not.

BTW- your link returns the following response from them:

We don't have an article called "Bell\'s theorem"

[Warren DeMontague]

125. Oh, okay. I made up Bell's theorem. Mmmm.

Yes, clearly you're an expert on everything. We should all defer to you, oh wise one.

I guess a little quantum chaos (or ascii chaos, more like) made it into the link.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/bell-theorem /

While you're at it, if you're really interested in how woefully inadequate notions of "common sense" become when looking at things very closely:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

Oh, shit, Wikipedia again. Or, lets try Feynman:

http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/Harrison...

My only point? Given our limited level of knowledge about the Universe, reality, and our interactions with the same, anyone -be they priest or just plain old crank- who claims to know everything about everything is, in my mind, full of shit. You don't know me, you don't know who I am or the first thing about where I've been or what I've experienced- yet you feel confident in assuming, in an amazing act of divination (talk about believing one has psychic powers!) from a twenty or so word post that whatever "weird shit" I may be talking about having seen must be attributable to "Coincidence", my opinion on the matter apparently being worthless ... I find that as presumptuous as total strangers coming to my door and assuming that I'm not capable of coming to my own conclusions about reality, and I need them to give me the "good news" about Jesus.

[MarsThe Cat]

126. i never said that-

you apparently just don't know how to properly post a link.

[Name removed]

127. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MarsThe Cat]

129. o.k.

BTW- your link returns the following response from them:

We don't have an article called "Bell\'s theorem"

where do i accuse you of making up Bell's Theorem?
did you try clicking on your link?

not being a student of quantum mechanics/physics, and therefore not being familiar with something called Bell\'s Theorem(sic)(or Bell's Theorem either, for that matter) i have to rely on what YOU post to get the info-

either way- it's no proof of the existence of psychic ability.

[Warren DeMontague]

132. You're right. It's not.

But it implies that the Universe may be a shitload weirder than we've been led to believe. Much of quantum physics is the same, if you look into it. It's fascinating stuff. The implications of the double slit experiment, which tie into bell's theorem, are particularly weird.

As far as the link, apparently trying to post a link with an apostrophe causes the screwup with the foward slash. That certainly aint my fault! As far as making up bell's theorem, you did not say that- that is correct- but you did claim Wikipedia was a suspect source before you had a problem with the link, and the implication I took from it was that whatever material I was referencing was suspect as well. I find Wikipedia pretty good for all purpose, general information gathering, but it's not too hard to find other material on Bell's theorem.

And lastly, nowhere in any of my posts did I ever express an interest in "proving" psychic ability. In fact, I pretty much said that the definition of a pointless activity was trying to convince someone, one way or the other. What I took issue with was your taking a twenty word post as a basis for which to inform me that whatever 'weird shit' I might be talking about having experienced or seen during my time on this planet was attributable (my opinion notwithstanding) to "coincidence". I thought that was a little presumptuous, especially since all I was really exhorting the previous poster to do was to keep an open mind. Maybe that's bad advice, I don't know.

But I DO happen to know as well as I know that the sun is shining, that certain things I've experienced run far deeper than mere 'coincidence'. But I don't have that Jehovah's Witness/Pope/Imam/CSICOP personality trait where I need to 'convince' other people of things, or give a flyin' fig what they happen to believe-- so long as they don't try to peddle it, for instance, in my kids' science classes. (And, yes, I would include claims of psychic ability in that)

But I'm sure there are things I've experienced which, if I were to relate them to certain people, their response would be "bullshit". Why bother? Your path is not mine, and I certainly don't require external validation to confirm the meaning of my own personal experiences. I know what I know, and that's a good thing, because I know where to find the one wiser than all the Buddhas and Sages. He's right there when I close the medicine cabinet in the bathroom.

[MarsThe Cat]

134. but most of the "weird shit" happens at the atomic/sub-atomic level

from what i understand on the subject, and in ways that an average person wouldn't even begin to understand, and which really has no real impact on them in the entire span of their lives.

to me, what's really "weird shit"- if you go down to the atomic/sub-atomic level- there's not much "matter", mostly empty space...and since atoms are the building blocks of everything- doesn't that then mean that most "things" are really mostly empty space?

or is this just really good pot?

[Warren DeMontague]

135. I can't speak for your pot

but "things" are mostly empty space.. but also, and this is implied by the double slit experiment, among other things- the part that isn't "empty space" the "stuff", as it were-- isn't anything remotely resembling what we take for granted as commonsense notions about "stuff". Electrons, for example (although other subatomic particles also tend to get 'smeared out' as per their assosciated probability waves) don't actually have a "location", at least not when you're not looking for one.

Anyway, demonstrating quantum effects at a macroscopic level is a schrodinger's cat of another color, as is making quantum mechanics gel with macroscopic relativity. We shall see. All I know is, in MY life and the lives of certain people I know, I've seen plenty of weird shit manifest -stuff that defies the logic of newtonian "common sense"- and when I press myself for explanations (believe me- no one is a bigger skeptic on this stuff than me. That's why certain experiences carry so much weight in my own mind.. because I was NOT easy to convince) things like quantum interconnectedness, or a non-local basis for consciousness, or a bi-directional or non-linear component to time.. make as much sense as anything.

Really, what I suspect is, that our theories and particularly our crude, primitive primate semantic structures don't come close to being able to describe anything resembling what's "really" going on, not yet at least.

And I don't even smoke pot anymore, so I don't have that as an excuse.

[FreedomAngel82]

67. You don't know that

I've predicted things in my own life that has come true. Of course I can't prove it to you unless I show you my journals and I won't do that since my private thoughts are there etc. You don't know there is no such thing. Please don't be so arrogant about something you obviously no nothing about. And that is a huge insult. There are some very talented astrologers on DU. Of course you wouldn't take the time to realize that.

[muriel_volestrangler]

89. There was no insult there

I'm just basing my position on the experience of modern human society, in which 'psychic predictions' have never worked. However, political commentators have shown some ability in predicting political events, so we are better off seeking out the better commentators on DU, rather than hoping for a bolt from the blue to tell us what's going to happen.

However, astrology in particular is an absurd system of wishful thinking, self-delusion and lies, which I am quite happy to insult extensively. Those who make any money from it are con-artists.

[SpiralHawk]

93. Sounds like your Mercury is Squared by Pluto, Vole

My sympathies.

There is no known remedy.

[demobabe]

79. You can't say...

...there is no such thing as psychic ability, because you can't prove that statement.

Much like you can't prove if there is a "God" for the same reason.

But if you could prove there is no psychic ability, then that would mean you were God, right?

But if you were God, wouldn't you be be psychic?

[muriel_volestrangler]

87. I can say it with as much confidence as I'd say you are a human

rather than a computer program, or an extra-terrestrial. The two alternatives are conceivable, but would be such an epoch-making breakthrough, overturning all our previous experience as a species and our understanding of the natural world that the fate of Rove et al would suddenly become a minor sideshow. The same goes for the development of psychic abilities that can predict the future.

So I'm sticking with my assumption that what would be the most important change in the human race since we learned to talk hasn't just happened.

[demobabe]

91. Assumption. Opinion.

Not fact. What you've stated are fallacies in logic. Please don't represent opinions as fact, Dave.

-HAL

[MarsThe Cat]

110. of course you can't "prove" that something DOESN'T exist-

the burden of proof is on those making the claim that something DOES exist...
and so far- I still haven't seen one iota of proof of psychic ability in anyone, ever.

same goes for god(s).

[Zhade]

131. There you go.

I wonder why believers in the unproven always ignore that little bit of responsibility when it comes to their claims?

I mean, hey, maybe we'll find out that psychic powers exist one day. We haven't so far. Believing they exist is fine - people believe all kinds of things - but insisting something with no real evidence is real is kind of, well, dishonest.

Of course, if there IS real evidence, I'd be happy to look at it, as the idea itself interests me.

[Thirtieschild]

19. Sometimes

I've had a few psychic experiences, but they're nearly always personal, and they happen as they will. They seem to operate on a "need to know" basis, and apparently there's not a whole lot I need to know. The only time I knew something that didn't affect me - or mine - personally was 1976, when I knew on the Sunday before Election Day that Carter was going to win. The only way I can describe it was that I felt the country shift.

I'm not sure who can be more abusive, skeptics or fundies - I've been attacked by both and have found one as virulant as the other. (Of course the fundie type are unlikely to hang around here.) One of my strangest experiences, though, was a phone call from the wife of a Unitarian minister, whom I didn't know. She told me about a series of difficulties, an auto accident, etc. and asked me to make them stop. When I told her I had no idea how to do that, she said, "But you're a witch, aren't you?" Uh, no.

[Mr_Spock]

44. I can relate to the "need to know basis" as well...

I am only told of events that are going to occur if they will effect me in a very personal way i.e., death of a family memeber or friend, or once I saw my house fire from the position I ended up standing in when it happened - very strange KNOWING what I was going to say and watching my body do it without any input - yikes!

In Jan. 2001, I did see a scene of red skies and broken in half tall buildings with people running and screaming. I was informed that this was punishment for electing another Bush - i.e. revenge by middle easterners. I became very political after that.

[FreedomAngel82]

71. Oh wow

I remember when 9/11 happened I wasn't surprised at all. My spirit self was like "oh, it finally happened." I didn't cry or anything like that. It was like I was expecting it to happen which was weird.

[Mr_Spock]

80. Funny thing is, I'm not sure if 9/11 was what I saw.

It seems to make sense, but the level of devastation struck me as being of a cataclysmic level, not just a catastrophe. It's hard to tell from a single scene - it's still relatively clear in my head - I just caught another glimpse as I typped this. Let's hope it was just 9/11. I did weep after 9/11 - many times when nobody was around - I saw the second plane hit live and remember the building falling shortly after. It was like "Asteroid" meets "Towering Inferno" - except with real people

[FreedomAngel82]

70. LOL

Hilarious. Having vision's isn't like being a witch (if I do anything I use my own energy/reiki). I don't do witchcraft even though I can see things. I'm just very intune with everything. We all can do it. And yes I don't always get things either. My guides mostly tell me things I need to know or they think I need to know. You can sense a shift changing now but it's very slow. Not as slow as Vietnam though. On a Christian board I sometimes frequent (rare now days with school getting busy sadly) and a few people have posted they have had experiences. I've been told by one person one time I confided in that my visions and all that were evil. I don't think so. It's just who you are. If you were to tell me a couple of years ago that I could see things I would've said you were nuts. I've always been an empath (can feel others emotions etc) but I used to never see things. And as others have said it's a blessing and a curse. I wouldn't have it any other way though because I have helped spirits who needed it and it's always a nice feeling when you've helped someone.

[Straight Shooter]

22. Here is the problem:

It's very hard to separate psychic impressions from wishful thinking in this sort of situation.

My personal impression, however, is that whatever Fitzgerald does, it won't make either side happy. I'll leave it at that

[undergroundpanther]

23. Bush will not go easy

Bush will be"sacrificed" eventually because he is a psychopath and he is cracking up and his handlers can't deal with him...They just have to set him up.


As for the Investigation ,it will go on but no one will hear the end result because they won't be paying attention..Because in the midst of a very distracting national tragedy (part of this"tragedy" will be set up through technology to look like it's not caused by technology)..and a few"terrorist acts,by right wing allies,which will be pinned on"liberal extremists".

There will be a staged Apocalypse,complete with beasts and alien ships,people will be confused and unable to recognize reality because they do not know about the hidden technology to do this sort of thing. Electromagnetic fields will enhance the emotional reactions in people..
The economy will falter.The environment will be reacting to chemicals and to pollution and deforestation.There are changes happening in space even,because as we rotate around the sun our galaxy moves around the universe too,so things may change in the physical or energy or natural environment in ways we do not understand yet..When the congregations of fundies fear gets to a boil point and they are on fire to kick the devil out, The churches will deploy their loyal hate filled congregations.. But in a nod wink look the other way,way . The Churches will use holographic projections,hypnosis and electromagnetic fields to incite believers to go nuts as a reactions from the stress and fear and confusion and mind fucking.

Than mercenary troops will occupy many towns because people are scared,and banding together because the government cannot stand for people to NOT NEED the government to take care of them and tell them what to do.. (remember how police broke up people helping each other during Katrina)..and christian thugs and culties will finally get to let out their pent up sexuality,hate and fear out on anyone the bible sez is"evil"(black gay,woman,freak) the troops permit them to do it,and the projections of angels overhead will spur on their self-righteous psychosis..

The rich corporates will offer cures that kill and bio weapons of Ft.Dietrich origins will infect the populace.


These thugs behind the scenes would rather destroy civilization itself that give up wealth power and dominance.

For the military types know it is very hard to break the will of a nation..Even harder if that nations people were used to having freedom.America is very hard to invade because we are surrounded by water strategically and no other country has the ability to subdue us, not even china.All the nations of the world if it got together might be able to invade..but they cannot subjugate us.

Look how hard it is for the US with all it's weapons and torture bullshit to subdue Iraq .Iraq was a state used to dictatorships .So I know these tyrants if Americans don't obey their will and play their way they will stop at nothing to "win"and bring us to heel. I think the terror will come from right wing empire loyal Americans.That is why we have not had another 9/11 incident and just alot of alerts and boooga booga bullshit.. The "elites" were during the Cold war willing to destroy the world rather give up their own grip on power before and they have not changed,they are all sociopaths.

Remember is even harder to subjugate a nations people when the people at least some of them know full well what EVIL the military industrial complex is about..Which is..making a hierarchical controlled empire of slaves sycophants and servants beholden to the will of"master"and protecting "the elites" from the average people..

That scenario above to me is what these psychopaths in power might do to us,JUST to hold onto power and keep their cabal in power and safe if their power was to be be seriously in threat of being destroyed.


As for psychic...I will know when I know.I have had psychic stuff before,and because I had no clue what it meant I blew it off..So after the incidents occurred it made sense When I find out,I'll post here.I could be wrong because often it makes no sense until after the fact.

You can't seek psychic intuition it hits you.

[nashville_brook]

24. i'm assuming you really mean intuition. not so much clairvoyance.

everyone has intuition. everyone can read faces and language games.

a friend of mine, a drummer, once said he thought i was psychic/clairvoyant b/c i guessed him and his gf were on the skids. it's the wrong language. anyone paying attention would have noticed he had taken up smoking again after quitting when he and girl got an apt together.

observant, intuitive. everyone has eyes.

[Mr_Spock]

49. Some of us are cursed with "friends" who tell us things...

I am told things that will be highly dramatic in my life - I say "friend" because I don't know what it is - maybe it's me in the future, heck if I know. I do believe now that space-time emanates in both directions and that an explosion, for instance, sends shockwaves though space and time - in all directions. It's a bit advanced for our minds now, but I think someday we will better understand how time fits into the space/time continuum... I know you probably think I'm nuts now - most serious person you'd ever meet - and I'd never tell you this in real life unless you specifically asked...

[FreedomAngel82]

72. Speaking of time and all that

I had a very strange thing happen to me once. I was in my bed trying to sleep and it was around 12 or 1am and I felt a familiar presence in my room and I could sort of see this person. It was me which was very strange. I have had communications from my future self before which is the most bizaree thing ever. Of course I wouldn't tell that to someone I knew unless they were involved in everything as well.

[Mr_Spock]

78. I wish it was something concrete that could be explained

Until then, I will be keeping this topic mostly to myself. I occasionally tell people who push - I had a person tell me I was "gifted" a week ago in a bar. I just shrugged it off - even I think that people who want to believe this stuff so bad are whacko and I almost never believe other people when they tell me they have seen things! Only I can know for sure what I've seen

[newspeak]

51. no it is not intuition--

I wouldn't normally relay this story because I do like facts but, back when I was in HS--at a dance I met two seniors that night--I was just introduced, that night I dreamt that it was dark and I was frantically looking for candles and I was in a panic--the next morning, as in my dream, I went to the cupboard to see if we had any candles, my cousin asked me what I was doing, so I relayed the dream to him--that night the lights went out and the two boys I had met the night before were in a plane crash and took down the electrical wires--my parents told me to look for candles and I was again doing the same thing that I was doing in my dream, then they asked me to ask our freaky neighbor next door, just like my dream, he had candles. My cousin was freaking out. Was it a coincidence, intuition? Don't know!!! The day my grandmother died and the day my father died I knew before they called. My grandmother had alzheimers and wasn't in the hospital, my dad's death was a sudden massive heart attack.

[FreedomAngel82]

75. I think you were probably told

I've had dreams where things happened just like in the dream. For example this past week before I woke up I had this dream where I was in the kitchen fixing some lunch and my mother told me that my cousin and grandmother were possibly coming to visit on Tuesday instead of Thursday because of plan changes. I was going to ask my mom about changing plans when I saw her downstairs. While I was fixing lunch she came over and told me what she told me in the dream. I thought that was weird. When my great-grandmother died it was on New Year's eve morning around midnight. I had this very sad feeling that something horrible had happened to someone close to me. Later that morning my dad told me my great-grandma died at the time I had the sad feeling. Back in July a few days after my birthday my grandfather died of lung cancer. I knew he was mixed about staying or leaving and on Wednesday of that week I got this very strong message that he made up his mind and he was going to leave. On that Thursday morning he died at 2:30am or so and I couldn't sleep at all. I ended up going to my room though and watched a little tv trying to sleep. Around 2:40 or so in the morning I saw an image of my actual grandfather next to my bedroom door. It happened really really quick (so quick if I blinked I would've missed him). He told me goodbye and that he loved me and his family. The next day I got another message from him that he had seen his guides and the decision was made he would stay with my grandmother until she crosses over. I don't think any of us were expecting him to die though including him. I get the sense it was one of those things that he just made up his mind up right there and it was final.

[bonito]

25. Hakuna Matata. n/t

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

26. I was freaked out over the Johnny Carson show as a kid on one night

Johnny had a scientist on his show who did experiments with plants. He hooked plants up to a type of device similar to a lie detector but I think it registered the pressure of fluids flowing through it. The scientist could cut a piece of a plant in a nearby pot (not connected to the subject plant) and the subject plant would register a response. The scientist said some type of communication was going on at the cellular level between living things that we didn't understand. Supposedly, the Soviets did the same things with mammals like rabbits. They could have the mother in one room and violently kill one of her babies in another room and the mother had a basic metabolic reaction. I never saw anything else anywhere in the media on whether this was just hype or real.

[Jose Diablo]

57. It's real and pretty well documented

Plants communicate chemically Plant Communication

"Over three seasons spanning 1996 through 1998, researchers from the University of California in Davis monitored wild tobacco plants growing near sagebrush. They clipped the leaves of some of the sagebrush plants to mimic the damage caused by insects. The sagebrush plants responded with a puff of a chemical called methyl jasmonate. In response, tobacco plants downwind immediately begin boosting the level of an enzyme called PPO that makes their leaves less tasty to plant-eating insects. Within minutes of the clipping of the sagebrush, the plants' PPO levels quadrupled.

It worked, too. Tobacco plants next to the clipped sagebrush suffered sixty percent less damage from grasshoppers and caterpillars than tobacco plants next to unclipped sagebrush.

Then, last fall, scientists at Kyoto University in Japan let spider mites loose on lima-bean plants and tracked the plants' responses. They found five different defense mechanisms. First, each injured plant released a chemical that changed its flavor, making it less attractive to the mites (although I personally nd it hard to imagine anything less attractive than the taste of a lima bean to begin with).

Then the plants released other chemicals that drifted away. Other lima bean plants received the chemical and immediately begin giving off the same chemicals, making themselves less tasty and warning still more lima bean plants, before the mites even reached them."


This chemical response to insects is how plants fight-off their predators as communities of plants. It's a group response triggered by an individual plant releasing chemicals as it is damaged by insects. Amazing isn't it?


As for the OP, on if there are things that science cannot explain, I'd say yes.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
- Shakespeare

I have had dreams and other things happen that I cannot explain, but I won't go into them.

I don't KNOW how this works, but I suspect though, that on some level all of us are connected and yes, there is a soul. That connectedness is through the soul. It's the only way I have to explain it. Think of the soul as part of a massive group mind, a hive if you will. This mind exists throughout space/time, in all realities and there are a finite, but to us an infinite number of these realities. Think of it as different but parallel space/time realities marching through forward. These different realities diverge in what becomes real as the basic level of space has quantum fluctuations or the other small variations as what choices living things make. And there are degrees of congruence to these different realities. Congruence meaning how close each of these realities are to another in what is real, what has happened in each of their pasts.

Sometimes there are cross-overs where a close in congruence future space/time communicates with a different space/time reality, thus giving a view of a potential future. Our future is not fixed though, it's not realized yet (and may never be realized) unless all the choices are made identically to the original future space/time reality. The future is not fixed, but there is a destiny of a sort in at least one space/time. I am not sure if I am making sense.

I cannot prove this though so it's not science.

[immoderate]

83. That was Cleve Backster. "Secret Life of Plants"

Sounds like that could develop into something useful, but it didn't.

For every paranormal occurrence, there could be an alternative "normal" explanation.

Make enough predictions, and one is bound to come true. We only count the "hits."

I'll look forward to any predictions that come from this thread and are true. With all this psychic power, there should be something.

--IMM

[roguevalley]

27. It should be two fold: the leak and the conspiracy into the war.

each of them will ensnare a lot of the known and a few smaller players that will surprise you, Mary Matalin among them. I find nothing but darkness in all directions for them. Even if DeLay thinks he can jimmy Earle's indictments, there are the Abramoff problems and that will only grow more broad. It will ensnare everyone who ever took a nickel from any of these men.

[Malva Zebrina]

30. those that claim psychic ability may be more intuitive than others.

Some persons have a personality that is more intuitive than others. These intuitive persons get their information from inside reflection or examination--they do not usually get their information from others, generally . They are mostly persons who are introverts used to finding information from past personal experience, but not inclined much to seek out information from others. They will seek information from books etc or personal experience rather than seek it from others.

Having said that--there are also a lot of con men out there who claim to have the ability to read minds and all sorts of mystical powers simply because it may gain them money or power.

[elehhhhna]

31. I get info randomly but it's generally about family and friends--

I know who's pregnant (including coworkers wives) WAY before they do.

I know who's going to have a heart attack, who's gonna die, break a bone, etc. (FIL, Dad, Grandpa, Hub's Grandad, Boss...)for some reason I seem to get this sort of thing on men more than women.

This stuff is normal for most women on my Mom's side of the family and goes way back.

Outside of family & friends, it's rare for me to flash on stranger's stuff--tho I had a HUGE disturbance the day Andrea yates drowned her children but no idea what it was about...couldn't pinpoint it...that's the closest to a headsup on a stranger I've ever come.

Pre-911 I got nothing.

I CAN tell the diff. between a hunch, a random thought, and KNOWING something--Knowing something before it happens feels different, as if I'd always known it and there's no emotion attached to it when it comes to me.

Being rather pragmatic, I doubt I'd believe much of this had it not been my experience since around puberty.

If I get anything I'll post it, but it's HIGHLY doubtful.

[newspeak]

52. yeah, that's what it is

it's like an energy disturbance--my grandmother, I was vacuuming and was daydreaming that she was happy and her mind was intact--I was crying while I was vacuuming-my dad called two hours later and said he had something to tell me, and I told him I already know, grandma is dead-she had alzheimers and she died laughing. That's what they told me. My dad, I didn't know what was wrong with me, on edge wanting to lash out at people, and I told my friend that I didn't know why I was so angry and jittery--when I got home from my friends house, the phone rang as soon as I hit the door, my mom told me my dad had died of a massive heart attack. I know he didn't want to go and died angry, he was only 54 years old. I believe we are connected to people and have a deeper connection with family and friends.

[FreedomAngel82]

76. Oh yes

Over time you learn to tell the difference of what you're recieving. I mostly get my messages through my feelings since I trust my feeling more than anything. It's a strange thing but it's what works for me and my guides. I didn't get anything with 9/11 either. I wasn't surprised though and I do think either way it was supposed to happen and everything that is happening now (I've had a lot of dejavu since 2000).

[Thirtieschild]

96. KNOWING vs. wishful thinking

I know what you mean about KNOWING. It's impossible to explain, particularly to a skeptic, who isn't going to believe or understand it anyway, but sometimes there is absolutely no doubt. It feels very different from something you want to happen/wish would happen. Unfortunately, you can't call it up on demand, at least I can't.

And sometimes a psychic flash or dream is true but pointless. I used to dream I was going to get a sample the next day in the mail, and sure enough a sample of detergent or some such would come the next day.

About the future. A psychic once asked me if I knew someone named ** ***. Yes, I went to high school with a boy named ** ***. She said to pay attention, that I would hear something about him in the next week or so. My sister and I went home to visit our parents, and had to go to the hardware store. When we got back Mother asked us if the gray-haired lady had waited on us. Yes. She was ** ***'s sister-in-law. Nothing in my life has been as unimportant as being waited on by ** ***'s sister-in-law. So how was that in my future 10 days before?????????? I'm not happy with the implication.

[walldude]

35. ...

[MarsThe Cat]

37. no.

it doesn't exist.

next question.

[meganmonkey]

38. Hey, this is what happens when you close the Meeting Room, Skinner!

Just kidding. I think this is interesting, although there's not much psychic ability in me..

[Chicago Democrat]

39. I only talk to the dead and the gods

His time will come

[Warren DeMontague]

74. Tell Jerry I say hello n/t

[IdaBriggs]

41. I posted this on October 1, 2005 -- it got archived somewhere on DU.

Sat Oct-01-05 07:59 AM: A Very Odd Dream About Bush Sr.'s Death

The dream seemed to be focusing on October 28th. In it, Fitzgerald had already done the "indictment" thing a little bit before, and instead of being "ignored" by the media (which it started out being, with some belittling about the "importance" of the charges), it was gradually getting more and more attention, with bigger/badder fish being pulled into it. Some Bush family "friends" (previously deemed "under control") had also decided this was a great time for some political paybacks, and they were gleefully taking the opportunity to do their parts to bring down the cabal. (McCain said some stuff on one of the Sunday shows that really "distanced him" from them, which was only partly to set himself up for the 2008 run; the other part was in the "vengeance is mine, you worms!" category.)

Anyway, a decision was made that it was time for Bush Senior to pass away from natural causes. A needle from behind was used; in the dream, he "knew" he was being taken out, and he was sad about it, but he also understood what they were doing to him, and why. Barbara initially concurred with the decision, but was later shocked to discover how "real" her grief actually was; she had thought his long term relationships with other women had "killed" all of her more tender feelings for him, but it hadn't.

The death of Bush Senior did what it was supposed to, and immediately began dominating the news. It was "unseemly" to talk about "the troubles" when a man's father (a President of the United States yet!) had just died. Junior was publicly devastated, and received an immediate boost in his ratings as a result, which was used to counter-act the impression he had taken a "devastating" hit to his political power with the Fitzgerald stuff.

Also, some "in the know" folks made sure the "rebels" knew Junior and his cabal were in control -- and if they were willing to sacrifice his father, the rebels were gently reminded their deaths by natural causes would not occasion near as much scrutiny as that of George Senior.

One of the "angrier" things for me in the dream was how Bill Clinton's humanity was used against him, and he was asked to participate in the funeral ceremony. He knew he was being used for his popularity, but he agreed to do it out of "common decency." This "coming together" thing further helped Junior in the polls.

I woke up with one clear thought: these people (Junior and Barbara) are mad as hatters. George Senior knows it. I decided to post it on DU, and went back to sleep for a bit. With the oddness of dreams, I was right back in it AGAIN, with some "fleshing out" of the details, only there was one difference -- an "old friend" of George Senior's saw the post I had decided to write, and gave him a head's up. In the second dream it didn't make any difference, and the events unfolded in the same sequence. The third (!) rendition of the dream had a young (grandchild age) family member of "Poppy's" warning him, but again, no change in the outcome.

One more strange thing: the grief of Bush Junior was definitely real. The disconnect between his responsibility in the "decision" (which was more of a "it sounds like a good idea, but I'm sure no one would ever do that!" type thing), and his grief / anger was just plain BIZARRE. When I said he and his mother are "mad as hatters" I wasn't joking.

But it was just a dream, right?

[SpiralHawk]

94. Wow - Totally Oedipal

Thanks for sharing, Ida

[Mr_Spock]

42. I can only see events close to my circle of family/friends

...and then it's only a warning system so I am prepared for a future trama.

I could probably see more but it scares the crap out of me - it's like all of space/time is playing all the time, you just have to look for it - problem is I only see the "highlights" which tend to be overwhelmingly dramatic.

I saw a red sky and buildings broken in half with people running and screaming in Jan 2001 when Bush took office. I was told in the vision that the event was revenge by middle easterners for what Bush I did - that hatred of the Bush's would be the reason for this calamity. I'll never forget that vision (nor any of the others that told of imminent deaths).

[Stephanie]

68. everyone forgets there was a trial going on in lower Manhattan

that day was supposed to be the sentencing of some terrorists - I think it was for the bombing of the Cole? I can't remember. But the sentencing was for that day at the NYC courthouse. I remember because I used to get jury duty all the time then and I was relieved I wasn't going to be downtown that day. I think that anxiety was pervasive that week, for some people.

*edit* The court buildings in Manhattan are right by City Hall, just a few blocks NE of the World Trade, between Chamber and Canal east of Broadway.

[McCamy Taylor]

45. My cats are the ones who are psychic and they could care less.

[DemExpat]

47. I feel I am very intuitive as well

and have had many uncanny experiences of distance communication and knowing with close friends, family and pets.

The strongest sense of almost psychic seeing I have had was around the time when I realized that the Bush was running for President against Al Gore - from then on I was filled with dread and had a very strong sense of all of the horrors that would occur if he should indeed become President.

In this sense I feel almost psychic because the subsequent events in the past years have only - without variance - shown all of the negative aspects that I envisioned. Nothing has played out differently......

But, no, I can't say that I have any intuitive ideas about how this is all going to play out. I feel pretty stuck in pessimism, negativity and cynicism on the one hand - on the other I still feel that good will win in the end.

Interesting - I love these topics of discussion.

DemEx

[WhiteTara]

50. it's hard to wait this out in real time, isn't it?

the anxiety is almost overwhelming. My intuition tells me that rather than trying to know in advance, try a little deep breathing. Enjoy knowing that what is only anticipation for you absolute torture for fiends at bushco. Maybe even allow yourself to laugh a little (even if it is at their expense). Laughter is good for tension and ill health. Oh, and when you find out the real facts, see how the truth matches your prescient skills.

[npincus]

98. thanks for your sage advice and perception

the posts here are very interesting and I am a believer in, shall we say, paranormal events, which is why I asked to begin with.

But as you have correctly read, the root of my question is the anxiety of not knowing how this will all turn out. Believers or non-believers, i think we all at DU want some justice- I say "some" because how can justice ever deliver a punishment to fit the crime of manufacturing a war? What kind of justice can restore the lives of tens of thousands of dead? What kind of justice can restore lost eyes, limbs, heal scarring and erase the unseen, permanent psychological wounds? What kind of justice can let a dead soldier meet his baby girl or boy for the first time? Personally, I never thought the true, evil nature of the B*sh-Cheney cabal and their crimes against humanity would be laid out for all the world to see in a court of LAW. I stopped believing in our court system after the 2000 Selection (not a typo-- for the Spelling Police). I still pinch myself to make sure I am not dreaming about the existence of Fitzgerald and his grand jury.

So now, as we are waiting, yes, the anxiety is almost overwhelming. My fervent hope is that Fitz will prosecute the vast conspiracy that manufactured and sold this war, and not just pin the tag "Liar, Liar" on a couple of individuals. This will send a message to the world that decency and the rule of law still exist in America, and may also penetrate the thickest of American skulls that still remain sold on B*shco propaganda.

Personally, I've been having stomach pain- I'm on a heavy course of antibiotics now for a stomach infection but stress is making it worse. I suppose the conclusion will unfold soon (by Friday). If there is any justice and decency left in this country, the criminals will pay. But it will never be enough.

[WhiteTara]

130. I am with you all the way on this one.

I am in a state of suspended animation and have to check the news every few minutes to see what is happening. I want so much for this to go through the whole nest of vermin and that our beautiful white house will be fumigated by the presence of truth. I want to see the slavering jackals taken to proper prison cells where they can slime the rest of their evil days away from real people.

I want this war to end today. I want the constant onslaught against all that we believe in to stop. I too am looking for a merry merry Fitzmas.

Keep the faith and keep breathing.

[kestrel91316]

55. I have been accused of being psychic by my clients and

employees for many years.

That said, there is a standing joke among us that we veterinarians HAVE to be a little bit psychic in order to be good practitioners, because our patients can't tell us what is wrong, and our clients are either clueless or throw us disinformation.

I said in November of 2000 that Bush would have us at war within a year if he won the election, and guess what? We attacked Afghanistan in just about a year.

So I think this: something big is coming down the pike. AND, the response from Bush will provoke something even bigger because he will not cooperate. He will not obey the law. The indicted will not be fired, will not resign, and will not give up their security clearances. They will attempt business as usual, and laugh at Fitz.

Just a BAD feeling I have had in this for many months now.

[FM Arouet666]

60. Sarcasm?

Astonishment, perhaps. Many of the responses show support for a belief in the paranormal. Sans evidence, respondents support their beliefs with anecdote.

I wonder, I you do get a response from a "psychic" and the results turn out to be bunk. Will you continue to believe?

[FreedomAngel82]

61. I have tried but

I don't get much. Still really mixed signals. Only thing I can say for sure is it will be a big bang to the country either way. You can sense that much. And in the astrology thread a good while back someone predicted a woman with blonde hair will bring down the Bush administration. Ring any bells (Valerie Wilson)?

[FreedomAngel82]

62. I do have abilities and am reminded of a few things

Someone else made the post that they have abilities but can't turn it on and off. Same thing with me. If I try too hard nothing happens so things just come. Earlier this month I had a very very strong clear message that Bush will go down. When? Don't know but it didn't feel like it was far away. Will it be with the indictments? I'm not sure. The feeling of "yes" isn't very strong but you do sense it will be a major blow not only to Bush but the current leadership with the republican party. Last November I had a lot of feelings and about two weeks or so before the election I had this very strong feeling that Bush will go down and will not serve out his term. He will probably be impeached. Of course you have to remember that we all have freewill and with that comes choices and consequences and things change all the time, but this feeling was VERY clear and strong like the other one I had earlier this month. In the beginning of the year I always like to do a reading not only on myself but with the country. I had a vision of Bush and he was leaving to the helicopter area at the White House and I saw him look in my direction (probably cameras) and he had really sad eyes and was totally drained spiritually. So he's had a lot of blows by this time. I had another flash of him walking up the Supreme Court steps and when he was halfway to the top he waved. What does that mean? I really don't know. I just see things. I also have this strong feeling that nothing comes through with the Bush administration past mid/late summer of 2006. What does that mean? I don't know. Maybe I'm blocking but no matter how hard I try to sense I don't get anything. I also last November saw once with my eyes in a vision Kerry walking the parade route in DC waving and being sworn into the presidency. His wife and daughters and stepsons were with him. I didn't see Edwards but I think they were there. I'm not sure. The vision mostly focused on Kerry. And finally I had another sense that in the late mid/late part of the summer of 2006 we will start to see a lot more of Kerry and Edwards publically whatever that means. Am I right? Only time will tell. I once was told that the "powers that be" want Bush to take responsibility and control over something he's messed up for once in his life with Iraq. So I don't know what that means either. He's never had any type of responsibility. Of course with Bush's history both in this life and his past lives he probably won't take it. It's not his character.

[oregonindy]

69. I knew you were going to ask that.

[New Earth]

77. i have many many psychic abilities

and i'm just learning to control them now

as for the Bush admin, DeLay, etc.....I can't really put my finger on it, it's hard to distinguish the feeling of precognition and wishful thinking on this issue

I can say, when * was first 'selected' in 2000, I did see a vision of years later thousands of people protesting at the White House and celebrating either a resignation or impeachment. I also knew that if he 'won' in 2000, we would go to war, especially with Iraq.

As for DeLay, I don't feel God and Jesus are with him on this one

[lovuian]

84. If your talking about Natural Laws the 3 Fold Law

natural law of "cause and effect".

"what we reap, we will sow

"for good or for ill, shall be returned to us threefold

Any Energy You Send Out Will Come Back Three-Fold"

The word "just" is defined as" that which is merited or deserved

What Fitzgerald wanted was Justice!!!

What Scooter Libby & Cheney & Rove & Bush wanted was REVENGE!!!

I had a dream about the Dalai Lama and then amazingly he came to speak at Austin Texas just in September and amazingly I got a ticket given to me to see. The main peace I got in that talk was that PEACE is the goal of the Global World and that you don't mess with Karma!!!

This is KARMA and balance!!! The unconcious is not forgiving to evil!!! So I feel there is a fight ahead of us and this is the beginning not the end!!! Take it for what its worth!!!

[Andromeda]

85. I'm telepathic,

but I'm not psychic "at will." For instance, if somebody wants to know which numbers will come up in a lotto game, I'd tell them that I'm just as much in the dark as they are.

Bummer, huh?

Things just have to come to me at random -- or I have to hold an item belonging to somebody to get an impression about that individual.

It's called psychometry. You have to go with your first impression. Sometimes these images don't make any sense except to the person the item belongs to. It's always worked pretty well for me.

There have been times when images have suddenly come to me. This only happens when it involves somebody close to me, especially one of my children.

[Mojorabbit]

124. I suck at this

I can hold a picture and describe what car that person drives. Useless info. A picture of it will come into my head.

But in general I do get messages. As an example...when I told my husband one evening, My aunt Judy just died in an accident. Thirty minutes later, the phone call came and she had died in a car accident. Happens alot but not on demand.

As for this administration, I cannot separate my wishful thinking so I am not going to go there but I will say I have had a bad feeling of something very big and bad that will happen in the near future. I see fires, people running, buildings sliding down hills. I guess I will wait and see.

[mandyky]

92. There are several threads in the Group for

Astrology, Spirituality & Alternative Healing.

[npincus]

115. thanks, I did- here's the link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

some interesting feedback.

I've got to disconnect my PC for servicing. Be back tomorrow- I hope!

[leftofthedial]

107. I'm getting a "Betty" or a "Barney"

Someone with a "B" name, who was important to you and is no longer part of your life . . .

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

111. I'm intuitive and have had premonitions as well as other extra-sensory

experiences, but it's hard to take my ego out of this situation, and it's hard to hear which is my inner voice, and which is wishful thinking.

Let me give this a shot though.

Fitzgerald is going to hand down indictments but is also going to widen his investigation into the lies that led us to war. I also think he is going to investigate the outing of Brewster Jennings, and it will be revealed why Brewster Jennings was outed. They were coming too close to the financing of al queda and that might lead to the financing behind 9/11. I think that there are going to be great implications that the Carlyle Group was involved.

The scandal is going to be so great that Bush will have no choice but to resign. At this time however, Cheney will have already resigned, and McCain will have been selected to replace Cheney.

Of course, I said before, this might be wishful thinking.......

[lonestarnot]

117. I predict that the rats are scramming and beware that they

don't run up your pant leg!

[Kailassa]

121. I wanted to keep quiet, but ...

as this thread strayed onto psychic abilities in general, I feel it would be cowardly not to admit I had them too. Nothing astonishing or controllable, except for healing, but things that have been absolute proof to me of something not at all related to intuition.

When I was a kid, semi-autistic, I just thought it was natural to shut my eyes and look at the kitchen clock when I wanted to know the time. That stopped though at 16 when I got a watch. I sometimes hear people thinking as clearly as though they spoke out loud, I've dreamed (unimportant) things in detail that then happened, once "seen" a friend's new cardigan she was starting to tell me about, and, that same day, "seen" things for our friends who each wanted a turn. Seeing one as an angel scared the hell out of all of us, turned out her mother was secretly making her an angel costume for a fancy dress ball.

As regards what is happening now, I felt that hurricane Katrina was the beginning of a terrible stage of history, and that I had a responsibility to at least observe all I could. And I felt that there was a chance that lending what little I can offer to this board might be helpful. To anyone who thinks that is only an ego trip, I can only agree with you. But still, one has to follow ons conscience.

[newspeak]

122. you know, I keep having this recurring dream for over a year now

I'm introduced to the Senate by Senator Byrd (I don't know why Byrd) and face the Senators and declare, I _name__, a natural born citizen of the United States of America do charge in the name of the American People George Walker Bush, (then a list of names) for treason and murder against the United States of America. We as a group, had been given access to all of this information from JFK's murder, Iran-Contra BCCI deal, to the Iraq war.....and as a group, we had all of this evidence---of course, you know, this dream is about exposing the truth, allowing the truth to be exposed not only for our country, but for the world. It's my wish dream.