Something big coming up ......

[H2O Man]

Matt Cooper is on Hardball. He just said that just as the backdrop of Watergate was the White House versus the FBI, the backdrop of this scandal is the White House versus the CIA.

Matthews is focused on the Rove versus Libby aspect. He is again making the comparison to Watergate. Matthews knows something big is coming up. I think that it has begun to take form outside the grand jury.

[Stephanie]

1. Well we knew that from the beginning, didn't we?

It's always been WH/Pentagon/OSP vs. CIA in this case.

[H2O Man]

2. Yes.

But it sure is nice to hear the corporate media reporting it!

Matthews just said it is a "category 5 hurricane"!

[mmonk]

37. Yes,

hearing about it from anyone in the MSM is a watershed moment.

[mattomjoe]

40. I think for the future good of this country, this is one "category 5" that

needs to hit at full force. I want full exposure of everything that these criminals have done for the past 5+ years (and if we REALLY knew the truth, it's probably been much longer than that even!).

[hang a left]

44. Well what shall we call her?

Hurricane Justice?

[blm]

46. Yep. Some of us been saying an EPIC and HISTORIC battle for 3 yrs now.

.

[leesa]

60. Yup. They tried to screw over the CIA by blaming everything THEY did

on them. Not a good idea to piss off the CIA. I don't think Porter can control this.

[Walt Starr]

3. I really hate missing Tweety these days

My wife despises him, so I can't even catch him on the repeat.

[H2O Man]

6. He has been

pretty impressive this week. Right now he is having Nora O'Donnell discuss the conversations between Rove and Libby in the days before Novak's article. It's an interesting show. The things that you and I have known for a long time are being introduced to the general public.

[Clark2008]

29. Norah still sounds like a hack, though.

Last night, she was "pooh-poohing" the seriousness of this.

[Chicago1]

47. Nora is dating some boy in the White House

What else do you expect from her. WHEN IS SHE GETTING IN TROUBLE??? She probably knows things SHE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO!!!!


LET THE REVOLUTION BEGIN!!!

[gauguin57]

51. Wait, what? Norah is dating someone in the White House?

Details, please?

[Chicago1]

65. She's dating someone either in the Press office or close to Dumb Dumb

Either way, she's BIASED AND HER REPORTING REFLECTS THAT.

I can't stand her and hope she gets in trouble too.

[displacedtexan]

31. I just found this thread-- Sorry to post jump, but Nora said...

WHIG (White house Iraq Group)!

Then she looked like she needed to gulp... sort of deer-in-the-headlights wide-eyed looking.

At least WHIG is now out there.

We now resume your previous thread discussion.

[DURHAM D]

11. Your wife is right about Tweety - he is helping Andy Card with the

WH spin as in Bush/Rove against Cheney/Libby. As soon as Scooter (and Cheney as un-indicted co-conspirator) is indicted Tweety (as well as H. Fineman and Andrea Greenspan NBC, NBC, NBC. GE, GE, GE, Jack Welch, Jack Welch, Jack Welch retired) will say that Cheney lied to Bush and now that the rotten apples have been removed Bush can get on with being a great Pres.

When Rove is indicted same thing - Bush was lied to by the people he trusted and they did him wrong and now Bush has cleaned house, taken charge, will get on with his own agenda and show us what a great leader he is and would have already been had he not been surrounded by traitors with their own agenda.

Tweety - shilling now harder than ever.

[magnolia]

33. Matthews seems naive.....

...more so than calculating. He seems to really believe that Bush might me the only one who is clean. That all of this could have happened without Bush knowing anything. He also thinks that like Reagan, Bush can just clean house, hire a new staff, work hard (yeah, right!) and he'll be on top again. He seems to not realize that Bush has never been as popular as Reagan. We did not have cable news and internet during the Reagan era.

He also seems genuinely excited about the possiblility of having this huge news story. I think he'll be disappointed if there are not indictments.

[Zen Democrat]

59. The strange thing about Matthews is that he is two people ...

The one that writes newspaper columns was strongly against going into Iraq.

The one that shows up on MSNBC is a Bush enabler.

[blm]

53. Exactly...and under the guise he's focused on the case as a KEEN reporter.

The "KEEN" journo who allowed GOP operatives to call Wilson a liar and label him a partisan campaign hack working for Kerry with no rebuttal from Chris, and all the while he and the rest of Russert's news staff all KNEW FOR OVER TWO YEARS that Rove outed Plame and that the WH was lying about it all along.

[leesa]

61. Except Bush KNEW about it. But you are right about the spin.

How long will these guys prop up the Criminal Bush...and exactly how much are they paid to do this?

[LondonReign2]

48. Your wife is very wise

I admit to watching Tweety recently, but even when he is "on our side" he is a pathetic excuse for a journalist. Thank god Clinton never let this man be his press secretary.

Randi was playing Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry" yesterday; fits Tweety to a T.

[Catherine Vincent]

4. Oh please let it be so!

Indictments would be a great birthday present!

[leftchick]

5. relationship between rove and libby on now

"selling of Iraq war" issues shared. Now playing the chimp, I think Nora O'Donnell may cry!

[drb]

7. You know, there are some astonishingly smart and nefarious...

...folks over at the CIA. Somehow, it kinda makes me wonder if this whole thing, way back to the Italian/Niger/yelowcake letter was a set-up by the CIA, and Cheney was so stupid and greedy he just walked right into the trap.

Maybe they thought they'd just plant the letter as an obvious fake (as in the Dan Rather Bush National Guard letter),and the whole deal just took off from there.

I can only hope that not only are these crooks being apprehended, but that it was a set up from pissing off the people who really have their necks on the line for this country, and even better, it was because the crooks were so very, very stupid and greedy.

Wouldn't that be wonderful!?!!!

[H2O Man]

9. I think the

forgeries can be traced elsewhere. Remember, the CIA and military intelligence already had reports that indicated the Italian reports were false. Cheney and Libby pressed for a third report.

[radfringe]

24. regarding forgeries

if my memory is correct - it was reported that it only took 1/2 hour or less of looking at the documents to conclude they were forgeries

The outing of Plame brings up a much bigger issue - DID BUSH LIE ABOUT IRAQ/WMDS? Was intell manipulated, fixed, massaged, twisted and spun to justify invading Iraq?

Most of us agree that the intell was manipulated -- but the media so far has steered clear of this.

[EFerrari]

36. There is no doubt it was manipulated

They had the NIE REDONE after it did not show what they wanted it to show, remember? Douglas Feith.

And the forgery was blatant - signed by someone who was no longer in office.

[hang a left]

38. I think they are being taken in baby steps.

This thing is getting ready to blow.

[Carni]

64. Forgeries were signed by a guy who'd been out of office 10 years

I may have a faulty recollection--but I am 95% positive that the individual who had supposedly signed the documents hadn't been in that position since the early 90's.

[newscott]

16. Did not Poppy * advise dimson not to go to war?

Hmmmm................

[Me.]

8. Saw That

Am also noting the glee tonight. It's like he can't contain himself.

[H2O Man]

12. There's such hostility

on the part of republicans, too. They need to deal with this.

[hang a left]

39. You think it might be today? As in Friday?

Or are we going to have to wait till next week?

[H2O Man]

54. If you read

post #52, I think the wait will be more pleasant. Everything is happening exactly as it should. Exactly.

[leftchick]

10. Bill Press is "connecting the dots!"

I wish he would mention the WHIG. Rollins says it is "silly"! Jerk!

[H2O Man]

14. I love it!

He just said that while Rove & Libby are close, there's nothing like an indictment and possible prison time that can ruin a friendship.

[Coexist]

30. Great quote - I'm bummed I missed it

anyone got the video?

[Ksec]

13. They better hurry up

Ive been locked into the different networks for so long Im growing moss on my arse.

[Me.]

15. "Whoever Lies Dies

Whoever tells the truth walks"

[RagAss]

17. I noticed an odd look on Cooper's face.....

He knows something. Maybe the "sense" he got as a reporter while testifying before the GJ....

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Sp the corpo media is repiorting what we all

knew all along?

it is a damn civil war... and there are going to be winners and looers, I just hope the people win in the end... hell it will be up to us

[H2O Man]

19. Well

I wish some folks in Washington DC had listened to me yesterday. I think that Rove and Libby were notified.

[leftchick]

20. ??

please explain. I have missed a lot in the past week and my brain is recovering from the 24/7 faux exposure! (Fox and friends is THE WORST!!! :puke: )

[H2O Man]

25. The bow tie boy of MSNBC

announced last night that Rove and Libby were notified that they are likely targets. I had hinted that any journalists who are on DU and have people in Washington, might want to head to the court yesterday.

[Me.]

34. Yes, You Did Hint

but "some" didn't get it. Too focused on indictments to catch the process

[H2O Man]

52. Yes, I think that

people are getting excited, and wanting to see Karl frog-marched and Cheney humiliated. I can appreciate that. (grin) However, I will again hint that people should relax, and enjoy the process. It is moving at exactly the right pace.

Remember the discussions about putting pressure on the right people at the right time? I can say that there are individuals who reside in Washington DC, and who have believe they were untouchable, who are now feeling an anxiety and depression -- oh, heck, let's say despair -- who now have 72 hours to have their attorney get in touch with Mr. Fitzgerald and say, "Hey, can we talk?"

[Me.]

57. Frankly, I'd Rather Wait

if it means serious charges are brought. I'd like to see the charges extend beyond perjury and conspiracy to cover up, because I believe there is definitely merit for more serious charges. Read this morning the pugs are putting together a pr & spin campaign, much like Delay has, to say, in essence, move along nothing to see here. Indictments for espionage would put paid to that. Also, that 72 hours you mentioned seems like another of your famous hints.

Finally, why is it that we hear very little about Bolton in all this conjecture? Is he the next reveal?

[H2O Man]

58. Good question.

I do not expect that the indictments that are going to be announced will be the end of the legal wars.

[leftchick]

67. I am wondering the same as Me's post above...

why no Bolton talk? He was interviewed wasn't he?

[Occulus]

70. One thing I've noticed

Today is Friday. Look at how things are being discussed, all day long so far.

Fitz put up a website, apparently today. On a Friday.

The nation will have the whole weekend to let what's being talked about today sink in. Correct pace, indeed. :)

[texpatriot2004]

22. Thus all the perpetual spin we see now? He said, he said she

said...blah blah blah yada yada yada

[H2O Man]

26. Yep.

Rove in particular. His lawyer is the source of most of the leaks.

[KharmaTrain]

21. Watergate was the OLD Corruption Standard

It's kinda like knowing your favorite player is about to break the home run record, but up until he hits that big homer, it's the past record that is always mentioned.

This scandal looks to be so much bigger than Watergate since it is so systemic. Nixon's problems were strictly within his own office and the RNC...where this scandal covers both the president and vice president offices (Agnew never got close to Watergate) as well as the Sec. of State, Defense and both CIA and FBI.

When the histories of this scandal are written, the Iraq war implosion...started by the Plame outting...will supercede any American political scandal and be the "gold standard" of government corruption. Maybe, just maybe, there is a silver lining in this dark cloud.

[radwriter0555]

23. I heard last year that the CIA and the FBI were refusing to support the

bush regime... and I believed it then, and I'm seeing it now.


See, here's the thing, the people who WORK for our government, as paid, workforce, standard issue employees are real people. They're your neighbors, your family, your friends. They're all just humans who DO know right from wrong, and who aren't sucked into the greed and power factor of the bush regime.

I believe in them doing what's right and not supporting the regime.

[H2O Man]

28. Christopher Whitcomb

is on Imus as we speak. He is a republican. But he supports Plame 100%. He says this is criminal, not political. He said there is reason to believe that people have died as a result of Plame being exposed. He's doing great.

[Neil Lisst]

35. Whitcomb is solid. I saw him on IMUS.

He was good. I am so glad guys like and Whitcomb and Larry Johnson are out there calling this the terrible treason it is, and telling why it has compromised US intel.

[H2O Man]

55. Indeed he is.

He made clear that this action, taken by the administration that brags that it makes the country safer, put us at an increased risk.

[PassingFair]

49. I hope, with every fiber, that you are right on this, Rad...

I hope that they have been even more horrified than we are, and have been doing whatever they can to undermine and chronicle their crimes.

[Supersedeas]

68. Good point.

[NewJeffCT]

27. I hope you are right

As you know, i've always had low expectations... I'm an eternal pessimist.

[Jawja]

32. Tweety called

it a "category 5."

[PRETZEL]

41. I heard that also,

I thought that to be a pretty chilling detail. But I also thought I heard Cooper somewhat hedging his bets also in that I thought I heard him mention that it's also quite possible that this could also just end up being a case of pure political retribution against Ambassador Wilson and that no crimes were involved.

Not sure if I heard that correctly.

[H2O Man]

56. Cooper did say that.

He seems like a pleasant man, but I would never confuse him for a deep thinker.

[Neil Lisst]

42. I don't know if today's the day, but I hope it is!!

We know we're down to a week.

The suspense is killing me.

ARGH......

sound of limp, dead body falling to the floor

[Kazak]

62. Friday evening news dump?

Drop it and let it stew over the weekend? 'Sounds plausable...

[H2O Man]

63. If the administration

had any control over it, they likely would wait until late Friday afternoon. But they have no say. Fitzgerald does. And he has shown that he has no concern for the media coverage.

[Coexist]

66. I keep hearing next week.

I have Tuesday in the pool, but given a mulligan, I would say Wednesday.

[Deja Q]

43. I presume it's not the congress cutting viagra subsidy, right?

:rofl:

Wow. They FINALLY cut some corporate subsidy and it's regarding reproductive medicines...

[omega minimo]

45. Bout bloody time

:smoke:

[hang a left]

50. kick

[Shine]

69. kick!

:kick:

[H2O Man]

71. Poor Scooter-Pie!!!!

Right now, Scooter is worried. He is not sure if Karl's lawyer is the one fucking with him in the media, giving off-the-record hints about Scooter and Dick, or if it is someone else .... like a couple of those people Scooter and Dick yelled at to change their analysis of Iraqi WMD capacity. Because, if it is that spineless fuck Karl, then Scooter needs to drop dime faster and harder. But if it is one of those other people, and he drops dime on Rove, then he's fucked himself, too.

Decisions, decisions.

[DearAbby]

72. Thanks H2Oman, when I want a clear update on the Plame case

I look for your posts...you're great!

:thumbsup:

[im10ashus]

73. I would love to be a fly on the wall in Fitzgerald's office.

I wish they would announce when they will hand down the indictments so I can be front and center of the television. This will be must-see television for sure.

Cool picture, H20Man. What is that thing? A rock or an old tree trunk?

[H2O Man]

74. A rock.

In the days when I had a back, it took me a day to set it up.