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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:53 PM
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Fuck South Park.,Trey Parker and Matt Stone
Ive been a fan of South Park since day one.I havent always agreed with their politics but their humour almost always won me over.

Its amazing that they could come up with a show like "Thats my Bush" and then turn around and give a pass to almost everything this administration has done since taking office.Its like someone got to them,blackmailed them.

When Clinton was in office they were merciless,but a fascist like Bush has been pretty much given carte blanche.

Tonight's episode tried to whitewash Fema and Bush's incompetence during Katrina.

Its depressing,I used to look forward to the latest episode of south park but I cant anymore.These guys are carrying water for these bastards.



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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:54 PM
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1. I don't have cable.
Can you tell me what happened.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:56 PM
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5. To sum it up
They basically absolved Bush and Fema for any blame for the miscues during Katrina.I really wish this wasnt the case but thats what happened.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:00 PM
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21. Did they blame anyone? nt
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:16 PM
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38. Yea, did they blame anyone? n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:19 PM
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40. Even some of the rw journalists
are writing that it's bush's culpa!


"From 9/11 hero to people's zero"
PHILLIP ADAMS ( Murdoch columnist)

October 18, 2005

snip~

"It took that natural phenomenon to reveal what the US public had been so reluctant to admit: that their President is a disaster heading an abysmal administration. He's going, going, gone with the wind, even worse off than before September 11, 2001, when the voters were realising they'd elected a dud, when the administration was turning on itself. For example, the word was out - via White House leaks - that Rumsfeld was for the chop. When poor Donald was forced to read the names of likely replacements, he said he'd need a Pearl Harbor to save him. Osama bin Laden obliged."



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Was is trey and matt's problem with reality?

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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 06:16 AM
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148. What a disappointment, thanks for sparing us the first-hand experience
I appreciate hearing about that, because that must have been a terribly disappointing show to watch, and not a pleasurable experience. I'm glad I didn't have to watch it myself, thank you.

What a bunch of jerks to have allowed a show like that, one that even slightly cast a positive light on this admin's actions. Shame on them.

I would have expected them to spoof the amazing denial, not participate in it.

All the money in the world can't fix THAT. Those jerks.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:54 PM
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2. I can't watch South Park. It jumped the shark looooong ago. nt
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:55 PM
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3. Money talks?
Is that their problem? I don't watch South Park. Watched "That's My Bush" a few times, got bored pretty quick with it.
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:55 PM
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4. Dude, it is a cartoon, not a news cast...
You need to stop looking at a political reason for all things. It was funny, and because I know it is not considered a source of "news" I give it a pass.

It is a cartoon... A lot like FOX News.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:58 PM
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10. You are absolutely right
Its just a cartoon.But cartoons can influence public opinion the same way the daily show does or Mark Twain did for that matter.
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:00 PM
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22. South Park is no Mark Twain... FOX has more sway than SP..
I repeat it is a cartoon. There are a million things that can influence the public, I can't get mad at each one.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:06 PM
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30. Back in the day some people thought Twain was just a hack
As much as I disagree with where they are going politically I cant deny their talent.It might be just a cartoon to you but they are damn good at what they do,cartoon or not.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:50 PM
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82. It was just a (Thomas Nast) toon that brought down Boss Tweed in NYC
Humor has a powerful influence, 'The Daily Show' proves that, so I understand where the OP is coming from.
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:59 PM
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13. Like FOX, unfortunately, people watch South Park and take messages from it
Just like they do from Fox. It jibes well with what the RW KoolAid machine produces and serves. Tonight was definitely over the top in its RW buttkissing.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:00 PM
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18. It is subliminal
endorsement...

Cartoons have been used for generations to plant ideas...like Rocky and Bullwinkle and earlier than that were others ...
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:01 PM
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24. You haven't seen their views on undecided voters.
When a supposed comedic genius calls undecided voters "stupid" and basically thinks they should all be done away with, you have to question just what sort of views they try to push on the public. It is often unintentional but you should consider what their backgrounds are. I stopped watching the show because of how extreme they got.
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:31 PM
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52. Yea, of course it's a cartoon
and of course they have the right to say what they want.

'Course by the same token a viewer who doesn't like it has the right to get on the internet and say they're assholes, and suggest that they can suck it. Nuthin wrong with that, right?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:32 PM
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77. I personally enjoyed it
I love South Park and I loved it. And yes, they're a freakin cartoon. Not a news channel and they make fun of everyone. Good grief. Seriously chill out.
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Saphire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 08:11 AM
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119. I agree, I was ROFLMAO!!!!!
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 05:57 AM
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114. Yeah, and Doonesbury is just a comic strip
South Park sucks Bushbutt!
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 08:07 AM
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118. I agree

God forbid that any Democrat might touch anything Republican.

The show is funny. Excuse me for still laughing at it.

As for 'influence' - I thought that in a democracy, people were entrusted to think for themselves.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:56 PM
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6. ive been anti-sp since day one, and so i certainly agree.
fuck them! welcome aboard!
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:38 PM
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79. I'm with you bro - hated that garbage since it came out
Never found it funny or understood why my friends that it was any good.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #79
151. me three!
and my husband loves it. :puke:



I have to admit I'm not a big fan of the Simpson's or The Family Guy either. (Oh no! What is wrong with her?) I don't know what it is but they just annoy the hell out of me.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:57 PM
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7. While the Simpsons, on the other hand...
I still remember Principal Skinner breaking into a school room and stealing a computer with Bart watching. Bart was shocked. Skinner looked over at him and said "Welcome to Dick Cheney's America, kid."

It was hysterical.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:04 PM
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27. A correction for the sake of pedantry
Bart was shocked. Skinner looked over at him and said "Welcome to Dick Cheney's America, kid."

It was hysterical.


It was Lisa.

But beyond that miniscule quibble, your point is well made!


I saw South Park once. It was that episode in which the whole joke is that kids are cursing.

Oh, wait... That's every episode.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:26 PM
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45. Ah thanks.
Oops.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:34 PM
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57. Not to mention Homer's famous "Commander Cuckoobananas" line!

Marge (to Bart): "Now we have to find another school for you."

Homer: "Yeah, and if you get kicked out of that one,
you're going straight in the Army where you'll be sent
straight to America's latest military quagmire!

Where will it be? North Korea? Iran?
Anything's possible with Commander Cuckoobananas in charge!"

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:46 AM
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89. I love both The Simpson's and South Park
Sure, there are episode's that do suck and are boring but for the most part I enjoy South Park. :)
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 03:44 AM
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108. I enjoyed them both, for awhile...
But "The Simpsons" has settled comfortably into middle age,
while "South Park" has gone downhill
faster than a B*shCabal federal budget!

Much like Trent Reznor, Marilyn Manson, and Tom Green,
Matt and Trey never really grasped
the secret to their own SUCCESS.
And, when the SUCCESS began to fade,
they began to grasp at STRAWS.

And so, their once-funny efforts have spiraled
downward into a series of oh-so-desperate attempts
to SHOCK someone.

I quit watching after they spliced the real film
into the "Mr. Garrison Sex-Change" episode.

A scalpel cutting into a human being-
WHO THE HELL found that to be "funny"?
Ted Bundy?
Jeff Dahmer?
Bill Frist?

Sorry to break this to ya, SouthPark fans,
but here it is:

The part of your brain
that thinks "South Park" is still FUNNY,
is the same part of the brain
that makes the Freepers think
that DUBYA is a fine PRESIDENT!


I'm sorry to be so harsh, but someone had to tell you!
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:19 PM
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134. I sorta agree... but Trent???
What has he done or not done that has you all wadded up over him. I mean every artist goes through changes to not means you stagnate and become what you hate... I understand if its just you don't like the direction he has taken musically but is there something else?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #108
137. Uh whatever two different things hon
"South Park" is a personal preference. It's like those who still like "Beavis & Butthead" and "Ren & Stimpy". So if you like those shows I could say the same thing. It's still personal preference sweetheart. And I can like "South Park" if I feel like so if you don't like it fuck off.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:05 PM
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70. That was great
I'm a fan of the Simpsons, always have been. I'll date myself now by saying I remember them when they were just a short skit cartoon on Tracy Ullman. :)

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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:25 AM
Response to Reply #70
116. That makes two of us ... n/t
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:57 PM
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8. TAMPA! ..............Bay Tampa..................... BAY.
:headbang:


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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:57 PM
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9. If they pissed you off they've done their job.
I think that's their mission statement.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:59 PM
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16. Pissing people off is easy and not entertaining per se.
But to each his own, I suppose.

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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:00 PM
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17. Yes they did
But I believe you are giving them a free pass because of the medium.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:01 PM
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23. Cut that out!
I'm giving them nothing. Just speculating on their MO.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:27 PM
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46. Fair enough
NT
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:13 PM
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35. I think you hit the nail on the head
I think that they're apolitical to the point that they'll have episodes like this just to piss EVERYONE off. They've always been equal opportunity assholes.

PS I'll still watch. It's COMEDY. It's not supposed to be political advocacy.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:16 PM
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39. I disagree
The show pretty much always ends with "I learned something......"
Thats where they inject their politics into the program.They have a message whether you agree with it or not.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:37 PM
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60. Oh please, they are SUCH POLITICAL ADVOCATES!
I used to be a south park fan, but after Team America I turned my back. At the beginning it's making fun of the American Right's misunderstanding of foreign cultures. Then it apologizes for that and goes on to violently blow up and decapitate every liberal media figure without so much as a peep of criticism about RW media figures.

Fuck them. I'm over them. Every damn show contains a 'social message'-- but if you try to call them on it, they laugh it off. They've become pretty fuckin' cowardly.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:52 PM
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66. EXTREMELY political. They think they're smart or something.
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:53 PM by BullGooseLoony
There's a "lesson" in every episode, quite often with an ignorant, simplistic message.

They must watch CNN for at least five minutes a day.

And they're affecting people.
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:58 PM
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11. So I missed the season premier... are you saying stay away ?
I hate the thought of it... but if they did what you say it would be best for "others" in my household if I just didn't watch.

MZr7
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:03 PM
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26. I dont advocate boycotting South Park
Thats what the other side does.I do want to express my displeasure with what they have to say.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:59 PM
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12. to echo a previous poster
"Dude, it's a cartoon."

The main message of South Park has always been that caring about stuff is stupid. So sometimes they'll offend some people, sometimes they'll offend others.
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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:59 PM
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14. 9/11 Happened
That combined with the fact that no-one was watching is why "That's My Bush" was cancelled. I wouldn't say that they are trying to whitewash FEMA and Katrina, it is a cartoon, not a serious program. They are making fun of things, that is what they do. You shouldn't take it so seriously.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:59 PM
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15. Not only do they bash the left way more than the right, they just haven't
been funny for the last couple of years.

The show is done.
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:23 AM
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152. they trash the left far more often
Im a big south park fan but I have to agree. It's almost like they have given Bush a huge pass. There should be alot more shows making fun of this administration.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:00 PM
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19. First time i ever watched a full episode of SP
And I didn't get that from it at all. In fact, I think it pretty much hit every sector of the views on Katrina, perhaps Bushco the most.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:00 PM
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20. "Its like someone got to them,blackmailed them." Uh...not exactly...
The ultimate irony..the success of SP has put them firmly in the tax bracket benefitting the most from BushCo policies.

There is an old saying that Republicans are Democrats who've made a lot of money. I think these assholes are just lookin' out for number one, and forgot how they got there.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:13 PM
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36. I respectfully disagree
To go from portraying the president as an imbecile to ignoring everything he has done to ruin this country in the last 5 years tells me that someone got to them.

They make their living out of pointing out everything that is wrong with this country but somehow magically that last 5 years of this presidency has been overlooked.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:03 PM
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25. Good news....they're yesterdays news. It's now happening at "Family Guy"
That's the one the teens are taking subliminable instructions from. I have not watched it yet since nobody told me about the angry, paranoid baby but whatever is happening there is the "new big thing."

I remember when we lived for the new edition of Mad Magazine (pre take over, like 60's). I'm sure that magazine was about 90% responsible for the fall from grace of trust in government.

Anybody know about Family Guy politics?

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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. what is the baby a freeper or something? angry and paranoid?
i have heard of this "family guy" now im curious..
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. Nah.. Stewie just wants to dominate the world...
and commit fratricide. It's his two main obsessions. Of course only the dog can hear and understand him.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:25 PM
Original message
Actually, it's matricide
Damn it all! You'll rue the day you made that mistake....

well...

Go ahead...

Start rueing!

*points imperiously affecting a Rex Harrison accent*
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:30 PM
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50. Oops yr right...
Fratricide would be wanting to kill Chris.

I'm rueing. I'm rueing.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #32
90. I love "Family Guy"
I never noticed that with Stewie and Brian. Next time I watch I'll have to take notice of that. I thought Stewie talked to everybody. :shrug: I remember his JFK junior joke.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #90
144. Everyone can understand Stewie...
But everyone except Brian treats him as just a wacky baby.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. I don't care about Seth McFarlane's politics....
because The Family Guy is freakin' HILARIOUS!! Can't wait to see Stewie's new DVD.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:10 PM
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34. Flaming liberal
typical quote (I may not have it 100%):

"Hey look, it's the two symbols of the Republican party- An elephant and a fat white guy who's afraid of change!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #34
47. that's been my sig line since I've joined DU
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:24 PM
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42. I haven't seen "Family Guy", but
I read that "The Proclaimers" from Scotland were going to be doing some "voices" on Family Guy when they were in L.A. as part of their USA tour.

And I know The Proclaimers are anti-WAR and PRO Democracy!
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Rufus T. Firefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #25
43. On one of the first Family Guy episodes
Peter is riding an elephant and "The two symbols of the Republican party: an elephant and a fat white guy who's threatened by change."
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:33 PM
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53. Yeah, Baby!
Sounds good so far!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #43
68. That's the answer, for $800. Thanks!
:rofl:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #43
91. And don't forget the new season of this year started
the family car had a Kuicinich 2008 sticker!
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 02:07 AM
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106. LOL
I noticed that and found that hilarious. I also like the episode where Brian is trying to interact with hip hop stars saying he's extremely liberal and always votes democratic.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:26 PM
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LOL yes
That's silly. On the same episode with the Kucinich sticker Brian was reading a Michael Moore book. I can't remember it now though.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 02:05 AM
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104. I'd say it's pretty liberal
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 02:10 AM by fujiyama
THe creator is a liberal. SEth McFarlane's sister mentioned how their parents were very liberal and how it rubbed off on him. Also, remember McFarlane is also the creator of American Dad, which makes a lot of fun of the paranoid police state we live in.

It's best never to take these shows out of context. For example, with the Simpsons there were several episodes which made fun of Clinton when he was president. If one saw only those episodes, then they might reason that Groening and the other writers are really RW.

Instead the opposite is true.

I'm not sure about Parker and Stone. I take it they are libertarians. They certainly make fun of the religious right, but at the same time in their film they didn't devote any time to RW pundits getting killed, so I'd say they are pukes. It doesn't matter because SP isn't nearly as funny as the Simpsons, FAmily Guy, or American DAd though SP has its moments (Schiavo and The Passion episodes were funny).



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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 02:09 AM
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107. Groening is a big Captain Beefheart fan. My kind of politics;)
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 05:43 AM
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113. "Bart- TURN THAT DOWN!!!"
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:56 PM
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125. The dad is a Republican.
"Look Stewie! The two symbols of the Republican Party! An elephant and a fat, middle-aged white guy who's frightened of change!"
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:18 PM
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132. politics are about like Daily Show
They'll go after anyone that needs a going after, but mostly Republicans. American Dad (created by the same guy) is kind of fun too because it makes fun of freepers, but it's no Family Guy so far.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:35 PM
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145. Seth MacFarlane (Family Guy's creator) definitely leans to the left
He created American Dad out of discontent towards Bush's presidency.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:05 PM
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28. They're assholes
I learned this from that Rolling Stone (i think) interview, with their "fuck all the whining liberals, who cares about the war, we are doing just great and so are all our friends!" bullshit.

At least they used to be funny. SP was great in the early days.



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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:25 PM
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44. If that really was the gist of their interview,
they are not as intelligent as I thought they were. Honestly, I cannot stand the people who say "fuck anyone who mentions any of Bush's screw ups, I'm well off and since that's all that fucking matters, Bush is a great President."
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:28 PM
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48. I wish I had the link
It caused a big dust-up on DU at the time, believe it or not.

Yeah, I was pretty surprised at how stupid they sounded. I knew they had no love of liberals, but I didn't realize how far to the right they were. They are just self-absorbed jerks, really.

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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:22 PM
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135. I heard an interview with them right before the 2004 election
and they were encouraging people not to vote. I forget the exact reasoning, but since it was them, their basic argument was probably "because voting is gay"
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:34 PM
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56. People change..some for the
better..others for the Worst.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:10 PM
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33. Dude...
Uhhh, never mind. All will be the same tomorrow.

:eyes:
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:15 PM
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37. Do not place comedians on pedestals
Comedy often draws much of its edge from anger. Often times it is anger at the system. Sometimes it pokes at the other side's cow. Sometimes it pokes your cow. Don't put them on a pedestal and you won't be disappointed when they knock your cow over.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:23 PM
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41. I dont put them on a pedestal
But at the same time I dont discount their influence.No,south park will not change elections but at the same time I do believe it is naive to think that they dont influence people.

Like I said in an earlier post,Im not advocating a boycott.Im just expressing my displeasure with their sucking up to this administration.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:29 PM
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49. Oh I stopped watching them a long time ago
I saw pretty quickly the vein their humor came from and I did not see it as progressive or positive in any partiuclar way. They are discordians. A little discord is fun (hail Eris). But they have always been an opponent of the idea of people working together to do something better. Their core comedy is based on the libertarian ideal of minimal collective effort.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:36 PM
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58. I really understand your concern..
People who don't think for themselves get these messages and the first you know..it's the gospel truth.

Shame on the Stupids!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:31 PM
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51. Sorry, but the Terri Schiavo episode was spot on
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:31 PM by Hippo_Tron
I still laugh when I think about Satan's minion saying "We will do what we always do. We will use the Republicans."

Also, The Passion episode was perfect as well. The people who renewed their faith because of the movie are morons. The people who were worried about the anti-semitism in the movie are morons. The people who wanted their money back because it was a fucking shitty movie were the correct ones.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:41 PM
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62. I remember that episode...
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:44 PM by Lannes
To be honest I was surprised that they actually wrote that but at the same time it was IMO a case of too little too late.

A good test will be during the coming months with the Plame investigation.If they they use their considerable talents do something besides being apologists for this administration then Ill will be pleasantly surprised.

Guys and gals,like I wrote, Im not talking about boycotts or protests.Its just disappointing that these guys,as talented as they are choose to ignore what this administration is doing to this country.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:34 PM
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54. They're clever, creative, funny and...
...above all else, bought and paid for. They say everyone's got their price---apparently somebody met Parker and Stone's.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:34 PM
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55. They - and SP- MASSIVELY overrated. Give me Beavis & Butthead any day.

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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:37 PM
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61. I think my favorite bit from that show would have to be
when Bevis, for whatever reason, is discussing a rock video and while he is making some valid points he sounds so much like a typical snobbish music critic that Butthead just smacks him up the side of the head. A second later Beevis comes to, and asks what happened. Butthead's response? "You were talking like a dumb ass."
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:21 PM
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73. B&B was so subversive, it's unreal...
looking back now at that, show, it was pure gold and spot on with biting satire and unbelievable wit.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:54 AM
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92. I personally never cared for them
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 12:55 AM by FreedomAngel82
:shrug: I just didn't like them quite as much. I don't know. I like South Park, Family Guy, The Simpson's and American Dad a lot better personally. I just never got into them or Ren & Stimpy. I thought last night's episode was pretty good personally.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:36 PM
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59. They're nihilists
Their awful movie "Team America" made that abundantly clear. And as Walter Sobchak once said "Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:56 AM
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93. FAIR?!?!?!?!!!
!!!
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:29 AM
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103. Ha! Gotta love it.
The Big Lebowski has a quote for every occaison. This is not Nam, this is bowling... there are rules.
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pisle Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:46 PM
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63. They're playing a game ...
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:50 PM by pisle
Those guys are scraping off one or two layers of irony and going with it. They're playing off of partisan politics on one level, but on the next level, they're navigating the area of average intelligence.

In one sense, they are saying, Don't you realize that this political reality is a joke? or Don't you realize that all that America has seen and absorbed since WWII is highly dramatized situations, whether it's on TV or on the news? No one knows the truth (all of it, anyway).

I hate them for being so deep. that's the bottom line. When I watched "Team America: World Police", I was kind of upset when it was over; I was waiting for them to make a statement of some sort .... but, their statement is: We're all crazy and there's no answer, so we're going to make fun of every bit of it from all sides of world-perception --- it doesn't matter if you're a fundamentalist, a hippie, a neo-con, or a woodsman.

Whatever ... they make me crazy. but, that's my humble take on their deal.

EDIT: I spelled "woodsman" wrong .... jeezuz.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:48 PM
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64. Reasons not to get upset at South, oh my God you killed Kenny
You bastards


1) It's a cartoon

2) It's a cartoon

3) It's a cartoon

4) There is no reason to bash SP because they don't bash the Corrupt Cons enough, IT'S A CARTOON.

5) Not enough people watch it to give a damn anymore. Like Ren and Stimpy, their day has passed and it's winter is coming.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:04 PM
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69. If they didnt bash the left almost exclusively Id agree with you
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:12 PM by Lannes
Im a big fan of Dave Chappelle because he is an equal opportunity offender.The same cant be said about SP.Thats my only beef with them.If they gave it to the right as much as they did to the left I wouldnt have a problem with them.

As far as saying its just a cartoon discounts the power of politcal cartoons,as another poster mentioned.It is a time honored tradition that can have more influence than you give it credit for.
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conflictgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:23 PM
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74. Hey, I get what you're saying
I don't necessarily agree that the show has any significant power to influence opinions. But I definitely agree that they seem to bash the left almost exclusively. "Team America: World Police", with the exception of a few moments that genuinely made me laugh (like the "freedom isn't free...it costs a buck o'five" fake country song), really pissed me off. It definitely didn't seem like they were taking shots at everyone.

I've been a SP fan since about day one and even some of the episodes from last year were hilarious, but they piss me off a lot when they start talking politics. I didn't see the new one yet, but I'm going to catch the rerun when it starts in a couple minutes.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:57 AM
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94. So what? Don't watch
Who cares? They can "bash the left" all they want. I could care less. I still laugh. If you can't laugh at it than you've got your panties in your ass too tight. Good grief.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:51 PM
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65. People mistakenly assume that Parker and Stone have something to say
They don't.

They just make an amusing cartoon.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:58 AM
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96. Exactly
They get the right and the left all the time. :eyes:
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:57 PM
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67. It was different and entertaining the first couple of years but it quickly
jumped the shark. Give me reruns of The Simpsons any day.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:14 PM
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71. I've never really been able to watch south park.
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:17 PM by girl gone mad
It may be the funniest show in the world, but I wouldn't know, simply because the character voices are such an aural assault that I have to leave the room whenever someone is watching it. I get the sensation of being around a bunch of screaming toddlers.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:20 PM
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72. I still like South Park,
and I think Parker and Stone are pretty much equal-opportunity offenders. No one is safe when they get a bug up their ass.

I didn't care much for Team America: World Police when I first saw it, certainly not compared to the South Park movie, but on watching it again, I realized that it could easily be taken as a fairly subtle and more or less brutal satire of how right-wingers think. I love Michael Moore, and I have all of TV Nation and The Awful Truth on tape, but I still laughed when he exploded, because I know that's exactly the kind of thing that would gladden a black, shrunken FreepHeart. The joke is on RW people who see the movie as confirmation of their world-view, because with no discernible sense of humour, they're not capable of getting it.

I don't think it's plausible to go from the skewering they gave Spurious George in That's My Bush! and make a 180-degree turn overnight into Bush-worship. I do think they're just expressing their own agenda, as is a libertarians' wont, and not that of any political party. They have their own viewpoint. There are wacky, pompous, pretentious people in all parts of the political spectrum who need to be taken down a few pegs, and they're more than happy to oblige.

That's their job; it's what they do -- blast away indiscriminately in all directions. I know a lot of RWers who don't like South Park either, for reasons exactly opposite to yours. If Parker and Stone can offend you and them, then they're doing something right, and more power to them, says I.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 05:30 AM
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110. As much as I would like it to be, it's not an indictment of right-wingers
Team America was so funny I really wanted it to be that way. But by the end, I realized that the whole movie existed to get back at Michael Moore for that beef they had with him.

They only take down liberals and fundies. They don't take down Bush and they are major apologists for corporate America in their show. Still, I do enjoy their humor on censorship and abortion.
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:26 PM
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75. LOL...Its a comedy that offends everyone
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:34 PM by Fescue4u
Thats all.

what a couple of imaginary characters do has no affect on reality.

I don't think that there is ANY view that South Park hasnt lambasted at some point. Sounds like they just finally got around to offending you.

Welcome to the club!
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:30 PM
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76. That shows hasn't held my interest in years.
it was a fad and now it's predictable and boring.
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:37 PM
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78. i read an interview about That's My Bush
They said they were Republicans and that they were just trying to portray Bush in a affable, 'doofusly' kind of manner.

They have always been Bushbots - no one 'got' to them. They've been Bush fans from day 1. I wish I could remember what magazine I read that in - I think it was a mens' magazine like Maxim or Stuff.
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insanity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:41 PM
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80. Did you see the Terri Schiavo episode last season?
Satan: What are we going to do?
Satan's Boyfriend: We will do what we always do, use the republicans.

The creators are moderates, and they poke fun at everyone. Just remember the Wall Mart episode or countless others like it.
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Goldensilence Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:45 PM
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81. dude....
like this had been said if they pissed you off....they're doing what they set out to do... I don't think I've seen an episode where anyone is safe really. SP is one of those ones were you really can't take it at a surface level. If you do and you have set a political agenda..you miss it. Most of the humour is really backhanded. Either way it's still a funny show and does a damn good job....

Although will say Family guy is prolly more ballsy in it's approach and well it's just one of the best damn sairical shows ever.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:13 AM
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83. I enjoyed tonight's episode
~Spoilers ahead~









It bashed the media and their fearmongering journalism more than anything else. I don't think it whitewashed the federal response to the flood at all. For me at least, it was evenhanded on who it mocked politically. Even though Stan tried to tell the truth at the end, the moronic citizens thought it was some sort of empowerment chant. South Park's citizens in general are known for being stupid.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:00 AM
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97. LOL Yeah
You gotta feel bad for Stan. Whenever he does something bad he gets a guilty conscience and tries to tell the truth but something like that happens and he ends up not being able to tell the truth about what happened and he's like "aw fuck it". I loved it personally. I just wish Butters was on there. :(
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:15 AM
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84. I Tivoed it....
sounds like i should 'delete' prior to watching it.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:01 AM
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98. Why?
Because someone else didn't like it? :eyes: If you want to watch it than watch it and decide for yourself if you liked it or not. I personally laughed my ass off.
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BlueWolf Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:22 AM
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85. I can't watch that garbage either
I started out as a South Park fan, and even after I realized their political leanings, I was able to forgive them as it was still quite funny. But now, after all the harm the Bush admin has done to our country, I just find it too sad to see people so enthusiastically support his actions. I love my country too much to watch shows that revel in its trashing.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:01 AM
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99. Oh good grief
You all have your panties in your ass too tight. It's a FREAKIN CARTOON! Duh!! If you take a cartoon seriously that's pretty sad I think.
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conflictgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:32 AM
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86. OK, I just watched it...
And I totally did NOT get the same message from it that you did, at all. I actually thought it was pretty funny. I'm the first one to admit that sometimes Matt and Trey are not funny and fall into bashing the left, but I really didn't see it in tonight's episode.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:35 AM
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87. I thought it was pretty good also..
I guess I just have a little thicker skin and better sense of humor than some. Oh well..
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insanity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:57 AM
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95. it was a good episode
I thought the main traget was the media and the public. We are all guilty of playing the blame game in the wake of Katrina, and I think at times both the left and the right cared more about the political consquences then the people who were devestated. In all thier intreviews they say outlandish shit about how they lean politically. I think the truth is they are equal oppurtunity offenders who try to piss everyone off.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:03 AM
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100. I thought it was pretty good for a season opener
I laughed my ass off. If you can't laugh at yourself than that's pretty pathetic. You should be able to. They got everybody. The left and the right. I loved when the republicans kept saying "terrorist's" after everything. LOL. That was hilarious.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:43 AM
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88. .
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:11 AM
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101. they seem to be nihilists and they mock anybody who cares
...about anything.

I think nihilism is a cute little "look at me I'm all grown up and cynical" phase that's appropriate for a 17-year-old, but at some point it's time to grow up and realize that some things really do, in fact, matter.

The show is funny like a good knock-knock joke is funny. But I think they've jumped the shark in terms of social commentary.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:43 PM
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146. Yeah, definitely they're a case of arrested development. Can be funny,
very funny; but only when they're dealing with the world from the bright-ten-year-old mindset that they're at. (ten year olds living in a basically comfortable and sheltered set-up, that is, who get most or all of their knowledge of the greater world from the media--which they do mock well). They don't do actual politics well; it's beyond them.

They still make me laugh sometimes; but they also seem really dated, a product of the 90's. Ironically, they also make me think of this song:

cause Im a 21st century digital boy,
I dont know how to live but Ive got a lot of toys,
My daddys a lazy middle class intellectual,
My mommys on valium, so ineffectual,
Aint life a mystery?

I cant explain it, the things theyre saying to me,
Its going yayayayayayaya, oh yeah...


At this point I mainly want to say them, in their own language:

"Dude. You really should turn off the TV and go outside sometime."
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:14 AM
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102. How can anyone take a cartoon this seriously?
I don't watch SP. It's not my brand of humor, but isn't this supposed to be a parody of sorts as well? Also, why take it this seriously? It's a cartoon.

I don't get it. :shrug:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 02:06 AM
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105. It is a cartoon
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 02:07 AM by FreedomAngel82
So who gives a shit? Good grief. There are other important things in life to worry about than a freakin cartoon. :eyes: How lame. My favorite cartoon character ever has come from South Park and that's Butters. The cutest thing.
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eggman67 Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:23 PM
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136. Oh Yeah
Butters: Best Character Ever :)

Let the Butters see the precious....

I thought last nights episode was friggin hilarious.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:30 PM
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139. LOL yeah
I loved that one. LOL. I watched it last night again and it was hilarious. LOL. Butters is still my all time favorite cartoon character.
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ErisFiveFingers Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 04:44 AM
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109. They are libertarian liberals.
I think that sums it up.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 05:31 AM
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111. absolutely not.
They have even said that they are republicans in interviews. They are moderate republicans with a libertarian bent.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 05:37 AM
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112. They Just Like Mocking People's Sensitivities
they think if you care about something, then you are an idiot. Only those who look out for their own self interests actually "get it".
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:16 PM
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123. Bullcrap! They have said they hate liberals
In an interview with Salon.com, Parker and Stone said they hate politicians, but over all, they hate liberals. In so many words.

That interview with Salon.com, after the release of "Team America," was quite revealing about how these two pricks think. They surely came out as a pair of spoiled brats unable to empathize with anyone not doing as well as they are. It's a must read.

"Libertarian liberals"? Give me a freaking break. They are ALWAYS pushing right-wing talking points in their show, sometimes, like in last night's episode, in a very militant fashion. And they have never criticized Bush in "South Park," and Republicans ONLY once, by my count.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:07 PM
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129. They probably
loved Katrina, then!
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ErisFiveFingers Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:18 AM
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142. They roast rethugs quite regulary.
Remember goobacks? "They took our jobs!"

Note how they mock rethug talking points, by taking them to bizarre extremes?

Take Moore as a suicide bomber, what could be more satirical?

I think that the problem is that some folks don't get the message.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:15 PM
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143. Excuse me?
Moore as a suicide bomber was "satirical"? Maybe you should read a bit about the beef between Moore and the South Park pricks.

Putting Michael Moore as a suicide bomber in "Team America" was no cynical swipe to the right. Excuse me.
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ErisFiveFingers Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 06:08 AM
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147. Yes, satire.
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 06:34 AM by ErisFiveFingers
Taking a vehement, public, anti-war, anti-violence figure, and making him pro-war, and pro-violence, is satire.

As far as the "beef" goes.... two words: Andy Kaufman.

Putting MM in TA was a cynical swipe towards the bizarre "with us or against us" mindset, that is, unless MM was pro war, he *must* be a terrorist.

Let's go over the first season of SP:
101: Alien Conspiracies
102: Orin Hatch's protection of "supplements" in spite of science.
103: Ignorance of endangered species, and geology
104: Gay bashing
105: Genetics science (stem cells, etc.)
106: Death
107: Pinkeye, and zombies
108: Damien, RW fear of "the devil"
109: Starvin Marvin: Lip-service diplomacy
110: Mr. Hankey: Christian idolotry
111: Tom's Rhinoplasty: Crushes, and feminity programming
112: Mecha Streisand: Mockery of big-monster thinking
113: Cartmans' mom is a dirty slut: mockery of 'single parenthood' demonization.

So, in one season alone, they mocked RW talking points about:
Supplements, Endangered species, the EPA, Science, Gay bashing, Genetics, Religious fear, Private (faith based?) Charity, the "sacredness" of Christmas idols, screwed up perceptions about femininity, fear-mongering monsters (bird flu terra alerts, anyone?), and the myth that single mothers are "bad" (every man in the town was implicated).

That being said, their humor is not for everyone. They don't carry water, so unless you want to see your own beliefs mocked, as well as the beliefs of others, don't watch it.

edit: typo, clarification
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:16 AM
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115. I agree, it was REVOLTING!
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 07:17 AM by Julius Civitatus
I quickly saw where they were going within minutes. At the same time they trashed people who live under "beaver dams," environmentalists, trashed the concept of global warming, and made it look as if criticizing FEMA was blaming Bush for natural disasters. Even more, it was nasty and disrespectful of the victims of Katrina, when they are still pulling dead bodies from the black lagoon that once was New Orleans.

The worst part of last night's episode is that IT WASN'T FUNNY.

In the past these two Republican pricks have touched topics in ways that I certainly didn't like, but at least they were funny. This episode wasn't funny at all. It was full of Republican talking points and snide remarks against the environmentally concerned. That's all. In order to find this episode funny, you would have to agree with their premises; I'm pretty sure that Jonah Goldberg and the rest of cheeto-eating pricks at NRO's The Corner probably found it hilarious.

And yes, fuck Trey Parker and Matt Stone! Pricks!

:grr:
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 08:17 AM
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121. I always KNEW there was a reason I have NEVER watched this show.
nt
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:45 AM
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117. Goodness sakes!
It took over a hundred posts before someone wrote some actual details about the episode. Yeesh!

Some people thought it was funny, some thought it was disgusting. I'll probably watch the rerun.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 08:13 AM
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120. It's a friggin' cartoon, you know SATIRE
Call the WAAAAAAAAAAAHMBULANCE fer chrissakes.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 08:21 AM
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122. i can't stand the motherfuckers
their appeal is to those Republicans who don't admit to being Republicans. the ones who aren't very religiously conservative, but are the type to say "yeah, we are going to kick their asses".

i have come across a few of these types. they always insult and attack Democrats. but when you say something about a Republican they say something like "i'm not a Republican, i'm an independent" or "all politicians do it".

their whole thing is more of an attack on liberals rather than promoting right wing crap as Fox News does.

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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:51 PM
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124. I've always loved South Park, but I have to admit...
last night's episode was a clunker. But even so, to have given so much attention to people stuck on roofs seems to me to be a back-handed indictment against FEMA and Bush.

Parker and Stone usually are brilliant, but every now and then, they create a piece of shit. Hopefully, the other episodes this season will be better. Given their uneven record, they are bound to have better episodes to come.

Regarding "giving Bush a pass", I don't think it was ever their job to create anything more than a funny cartoon. And I don't agree they really ever savaged Clinton as you seem to suggest, and I've been a fan since Day 1.

And to suggest that they are pro-Bush is ridiculous, as they created "That's My Bush!", which was clearly a commentary on how much a dufus Bush was and still is.

And also recall the "Kenny as Terry Schiavo" episode -- this one totally skewered Republicans.

I just think it's a good idea to use some perspective and get a sense of humor with regards to South Park. It's just a cartoon. Usually a laugh-riot, but sometimes it's crap.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:59 PM
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126. "When Clinton was in office they were merciless"
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 01:02 PM by rinsd
How so?

On Edit: Was the Terry Schiavo ep pro-Bush? Was they're skewering of Passion of the Christ conservative?

Might as well say, I'm a huge fan of the show that makes fun of everyone's beliefs except when they make fun of my beliefs.

Personally they lost me during the dog masturbation episode but to each his own.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:00 PM
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127. Nice to see the daily hate
What should we be outraged about tomorrow?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:19 PM
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133. You can be "outraged" or not about
what ever you want..we're here to express opinions.

Our Country is going down the toilet..you'll have to excuse us if we are a wee bit UPSET!
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:02 PM
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128. I've seen that for a long time
That's shows bias has creeped in there more and more over the years. I don't watch that show anymore.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:10 PM
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130. I am a fan of South Park
The episode last night was not one of their best and I did not appreciate the fact that they blew off global warming. The point that we just need to help the people and worry about who to blame later, I think was not a terrible point. They were also mixing in "The Day After Tomorrow", so it's not a fair comparison to Katrina in many respects. That movie deserved to be gone after because it sucked. I'm not sure why they are not doing much with GW. There's a lot to go after there.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:33 PM
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140. I don't think they themselves were blowing off global warming
They were showing how people don't take it seriously as they should.
Remember when they were at the state house talking about it and, I believe it was Stan's dad, who was talking about global warming? They poked at the republicans for that.
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eggman67 Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:42 PM
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141. They're poking fun
at panic stricken "chicken-little" types that think the "Day After Tomorrow" is legit.

at a media that overhypes everything and reports rumor as fact.

Newscaster: " Wow! You've actually seen people raping and looting?"

Correspondent: "No, we haven't actually seen it...we're just reporting it."

and

at a public that's more concerened with pointing fingers thatn with actually doing something.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:11 PM
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131. I saw it
I understand why you are saying that. I didn't think it was that bad. They made fun of the entire situation.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:26 PM
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138. LOL
AWww, poor you :eyes:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 08:39 AM
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149. Parker and Stone are just two more CLOSETED right-wingers
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:10 AM
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150. That's My Bush" was endorsed by Karl - making W into Forrest Gump (lovable
I couldn't watch the last episone, not the one where the blacks (rich) were taking over untill the good old South Park people put some sheets on...etc, etc.
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:46 AM
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153. Poor you
It's sad that some people are so brain-dead they can't recognize satire when it's right in front of them.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:34 PM
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154. Brain dead is discounting the influence of satire
Name not needed.....brain not needed apparently.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:06 AM
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155. Agreed
Then again, I've always thought "South Park" sucked. In a large part, because the characters annoyed the hell out of me; plus, I always thought it was pointlessly gross and, despite claims by many of its fans, I've always felt it had a right-wing slant. The creators seem to be the sort of asshole "we're cool 'cause we don't give a shit about anything" "libertarian"-types I knew in high school. Only these guys are in their thirties (I think) and should have grown out of this stage by now.

I think the "it's a cartoon" justification is a cop-out. Yes, "South Park" is a cartoon; yes, it's satire. So what? Can cartoons, sitcoms, and other fictional TV not communicate messages concerning real-life events? Do satirical messages not communicate a legitimate point of view? I think Parker and Stone are most definitely communicating their views through this cartoon, and I think their "everything is full of shit, let's make fun of all of it" is an awful message to send.

Plus, I've never seen how these guys are "equal opportunity" bashers, as is so often claimed. They seem to be in the same sense that "Hannity and Colmes" is a fair and balanced political commentary show. Just like on FAUX News shows you get about eight minutes of right-wing talking points for a couple of minutes of weak liberal rebuttal, on "South Park" you get to sit through aspect after aspect of the liberal agenda getting mocked for the occasional bashing of some religious right fundie.

And yeah, maybe I just don't have a sense of humor about some stuff, like "South Park"'s stupid-ass parody of the 2000 election, with the class election and the "recount after recount", calling in Jesse Jackson, etc., etc. garbage. If I had wanted to hear the Bush campaign talking points in the election aftermath I could always flip a few channels over and get them directly from fuckin' James Baker- I'd prefer they not be a part of my "entertainment", thank you very much.

But sure, to each his/her own. I definitely have my reasons for not watching "South Park" and I've stated them; others have theirs for watching it. I just don't think the fact that it's a satirical cartoon, as if this somehow makes it lacking in any true relevance or from influencing people, exempts it from criticism.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:52 AM
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156. Like everything else in life, ya take some and leave some.
At some time or another "South Park" will turn one off. And sometimes the shoe fits.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 07:27 AM
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157. It's called humor.
Good grief, are we not allowed to enjoy ourselves now? A little laughter once in a while is a good thing.
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 07:31 AM
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158. Lighten up, francis...
:eyes:

I, for one,(and my wife, for two) LOVED it.
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